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Alleycat Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:20 PM
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I DO NOT GET THESE UNDECIDED PEOPLE
What is wrong with them? What needs more explaining? After both of these two debates the choice should be crystal clear. My take is they are looking for the perfect candidate, one who agrees with them on all the issues which affect them personally. I think the only one they would find suitable is themselves
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:22 PM
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1. Attention seekers. (nt)
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Protagoras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:29 PM
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5. They think it makes them unique
and special snow flakes.

I would say they are partially right. I think it makes them uniquely dumbass flakes.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:17 AM
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17. I believe they think it makes them look wise. Pensive. As though they're
smart because they're considering all angles, or something.

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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:13 AM
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16. Bingo! n/t
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:22 PM
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2. UNDECIDED
Their not undecided anymore,they just say they are.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:35 PM
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9. I think they are lying too
no once can be that f***ing ignorant
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:07 AM
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15. Agreed
I think they aren't undecided, and I think they like all the attention they get and want to be on tv.
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secular_warrior Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:23 PM
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3. They are selfish, ignorant people
who are waiting for someone to play to their pet issue, and who won't educate themselves on real issues.
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booksenkatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:28 PM
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4. They were called "uncommitted" this evening
but in reality, these people should be committed immediately... to a high security center for the insane. We can't have dim, uninformed ignoramuses like this running around voting, for Pete's sake! It puts all of us at risk! LOL

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onecitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:30 PM
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6. I don't get the people who
will vote for bush.......
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feistydem Donating Member (994 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:30 PM
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7. I'm with you! Are these people complete idiots?
One can only assume at this point that they are either too illiterate to vote and should just stay home or they are a bunch of pretenders who like the attention they are getting as a "special group" of voters.

Some dope tonight was talking about how he thought Kerry would protect Medicare, Kerry would provide the cheaper presecription drugs, Kerry won the debate. Then when asked the tough question, "Has he won your vote tonight?" and he said he's still undecided. Holy @#$*&^% these people are stupid!
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:33 PM
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8. As others have said, they're not undecided, they just want to...
...feel special. I can, for example, pick out the conservatives and liberals in a given number of "independents." Though for some reason most look "conservative."
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:41 PM
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10. They are conflicted.
Edited on Fri Oct-08-04 11:42 PM by rsammel
The guy who asked Kerry to talk to the camera probably makes 100k and likes his guns.

The woman who asked about abortion probably gets the whole Iraq and economy thing, but wants abortion outlawed.

They will probably decide what they want to vote about, and choose their candidate based on that.

On edit: regarding abortion, I know a lot of people who were really impressed at the time by Clinton's appeal to make abortion rare. I just hope Kerry mentions at some point that all these partial birth abortion bans passed by congress haven't managed to prevent one abortion.
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Carolinian Donating Member (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:41 PM
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11. They are not undecided. They want attention. Some like 2b secretive.
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:46 PM
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12. Those people are stupid.
Plain and simple. They do not have any critical thinking brain cells. They need everything drawn out for them like you would draw a picture for a 1st grader.

These people need to feel like they have power over the rest of us. By keeping us on edge about their decisions they are getting attention and this makes them feel important.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:02 AM
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13. Undecideds - my take
Bush is not seen as the evil all powerful lord of the masons who runs massive conspiracies with holographic planes by many people. They think such things are silly.

The problem I see is that so many have went all over the board (and the interesting thing is that each group of conspiracy folks has a different view on what and how) that people don't know what to think. Bush was friends with saudis, bush engineered 9/11, bush had no idea and it was karl rove, bush this that and the other.

And it goes on to iraq - he was going to plant WMD from what I saw some here say, but he never did. So he was this masterful manipulator of world evil and he forgot to cover his ass on that. BBV, he is in bed with diebold and others to steal the election, yet he barely eeked out win last time (if one would call it a win, which it was really because he is president so technically, from a purely sematical view it was a 'win').

He will outlaw abortion...well, he hasn't. He will throw dems in jail, make prison camps, kill gays, and so on. He hasn't.

Where am I going on this all? People are confused. They see a million different thoughts and reasons for so many things that they are not sure what is true and what is not. Instead of us focusing on the simple day to day things we got off on a tangent and flooded the minds of people with a zillion different theories on things from 9/11 to the draft to iraq. All we needed to do was stick with the basics.

What has bush done for you. Jobs are gone. Terrorists attacked us while he was chilling out. Thousands died in iraq. Oil prices are at all time highs. The basics list goes on and on.

What have I heard? Holographic planes. Missles from planes into wtc. No plane it hit the pentagon. A plane hit the pentagon. He would plant wmd in Iraq. He lied to us and said there were some there and we did not find them. On and on the things go. His great long ago grandfather helped nazis, so he is one too. He jacked off in a coffin with skull and bones, kerry was a member too. Bush this, bush that. All with a new view into it all, each with it's own facts and analysis.

In the end, no one knows what the hell to think - we have put out 'facts' supporting lihop, mihop, and a ton of other things - the problem is we keep contradicting ourselves over and over. How can I say that? well - they can't all be true. And if we cannot figure out the truth how in the hell do we expect others too? Michael moore had one take on the whole 9/11 thing, but then while we applaud that many others have said he did not tell it all. But the all conflicts.

It only gets worse though really. Gore said Saddam must go and that he was a threat. Clinton believed he had WMD too. We were ok with them saying it (some were) but not bush. A search of google.com/unclesam can show that clinton and gore were on the same page with bush on iraq most the time, but now we are saying they were all wrong too - but they weren't really to blame because bad intelligence, bush though is to blame.

We need to stick to the basics. Bush does not support the little guy, his policies do not help the people, they help only the big companies. Things have gotten worse, not better all the way around. Kerry is a chance to change all that. Gas prices are up. Employment is down. People in the USA are hurting. Dems can help, they want to help, they actually care about you as a person and all bush cares about is helping his big money buddies.

A simple message, a simple idea, and a simple way to get people to see the basics. Kerry, while not perfect, offers them something that bush cannot. The dem party in total. We care, we want to help, and we will work for YOU. And you here means the little guy and the business owner busting his ass to make a living. We can help everyone, bush only wants to help his buddies.

Kerry is the logical choice. We don't need to go off on some tangent about 9/11, iraq, etc. It is enough that 9/11 went down while bush did nothing, it is enough that iraq was invaded and that things are going poorly when we know we could do better and save lives. It is enough that jobs are gone and people suffer with little help. Focus, get that message out, and bush will go away and kerry will win.

Then we start again - we keep an eye on kerry and crew and kick their butts when they don't stick to the basics we put them there to do. We hire these people, and I don't care if an R or D follows their name - their actions define them, and if they don't do the job kick em out and make sure we tell em where they are failing us.

Kerry will soon be our employee - and I damn well aim to keep him doing the job I hired him to do. Bush failed, gets an F. If kerry does the same I will call him on it too.

PS to all this. I am not saying to disregard looking into things (like 9/11) deeper. I am merely pointing out that I feel, personally, that a lot of folks watch us here at DU and I can see where they get confused. Discuss things, debate them, but don't let pet theories overtake you. Keep an open mind.

Sorry for the rant, and thank you for an interesting post which I believe will cause people to ponder more deeply some things. I am in no way wanting to demean the hard work of others who have sought the truth on things from 9/11 to iraq to bbv. I am thankful your work is there, I was merely commenting on the subject at hand and how I feel it could add to the confusion people feel on bush (or perhaps any elected official). I have been here years reading and have found great insight from many with a plethora of articles which have caused me to think in depth.

My comments were designed to give my views on why I think some people are unsure/undecided (I think the choice is clear) and is based on talking to people I know and my own experiences with postings both here and elsewhere. Nor do I wish to demean in any way the work of those who seek out the deeper roots of things, which one may call a conspiracy theory, as I myself do subscribe to a number of them. This post was intended to be on topic and how I saw others as perceiving things so if I have offended any please accept my apologies in advance.
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Homerr Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:05 AM
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14. I heard a good response about this....
Uncomitteds are wanting to vote for the challenger but don't know him well enough YET. But if the election were held today (early) they would tend toward the incumbent as a security blanket.

So the more Kerry talks and they get to know him the better. Some people just need a little more reassurance. Don't hate them for it, we need them.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:29 AM
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18. now, now . . . leave us not be too harsh . . .
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 12:30 AM by OneBlueSky
from Jonathan Alford's recent column Looking for Votes, Finding America on salon.com . . .

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/10/07/volunteer/index.html

It is easy to be dismissive of undecided voters. Who are these people? How can anyone be undecided in such a glaringly obvious election? But that feels patronizing and simplistic. Most undecided voters seem to me to be victims of a political process that seems alien and unresponsive. You can blame personal ignorance but it seems more systemic than that. People who are not ideological or well informed are not patsies or dupes. They seem to be honestly confused. These people represent in some ways the core of any country's population. They're mostly concerned with the daily business of life. They're not vindictive or judgmental. They're prone to respect authority, and naturally conservative in an unforced way. This is the mind that to the ideologue seems stupid and backward but which in a funny way is really a bulwark against extremism in all its forms. By voting their gut, making decisions based on "well, I just like him," or simply by looking at public life through the parochial lens of their personal story, they stand up for the simplicity, the honesty, of mere experience. They are the demos -- the people -- in a democracy.

- more . . .

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/10/07/volunteer/index.html

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:44 AM
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19. They take an odd pride in their fucking stupidity
I don't get them either
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