NYTimes gives debate to Kerry - calls Bush "incoherent"

[makhno]

Mr. Bush was deeply unpersuasive when asked why he had not permitted the importation of cheaper prescription drugs from Canada. He claimed that the reason was "I want to make sure it cures you and doesn't kill you." Mr. Kerry cleanly retorted that four years ago in a campaign debate, Mr. Bush had said importing medicine from Canada sounded sensible.

And the president was utterly incoherent when asked about whom he might name to the Supreme Court in a second term. His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote.

...

Mr. Kerry demonstrated, at the very minimum, a stature that was equal to the president's. If Mr. Bush was hoping to recover all the ground he lost last week, he failed in his mission.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/09/opinion/9sat1.html?hp

[4_Legs_Good]

1. Crap! Gotta change my underware!!!

Oh boy!!!

Mmmmmmmmm

thanks Kerry. Wow!

david

[shrub chipper]

2. This is priceless!!

"His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote."

[Ellen Forradalom]

6. Bush does have a knack for an unfortunate turn of phrase

i.e. his 'keep his daughters on a leash' line in the first debate.

[tomfodw]

40. As the joke, goes, "Bring complete sentences back to the White House"

Bush sneers at Kerry for speaking French. Kerry should sneer back that at least he does speak one language well.

That wouldn't play well with most Americans, but I like snark.

[chookie]

8. Pound them with that

" he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me"

Not funny, not funny at all.

We have to pound them with this ridiculous remark so disdainful of our democracy, which makes light of the very troubled election of 2000, from which the nation never recovered. Fucking asshole.

[Tatiana]

24. Very surprising that the wimpy Times went there! n/t

[makhno]

25. I hope they don't change it by tomorrow a.m.

... and that their print edition has the editorial as well.

[lanparty]

30. It wasn't a joke ... it was a freudian slip!!!!

Bush attempted to describe "strict constructionism". Unfortunately, "His kind of justice" claim to be strict constructionists, but they twist the law in ANY way possible to support their point of view.

Kerry's response made you think but it made a lot of sense and I think swing voters will identify with it.

I would like Kerry to make some comment about checking justices for their consistency. It's OK to be be deeply interpretive AND strict constructionist just so long as your judgement are consistent.


OH, BTW Bush-Hole. Regarding the Pledge of the Allegiance, it IS in the consitution.

"Congress shall pass no law respecting an establishment of religion or restrict the free exercise thereof"!!!!

Kids ARE allowed to pray in school. Teachers are not allowed to LEAD prayers. Students are not allowed to lead prayers or prostelitize because ALL student leadership activities in a school are delegated or condoned by school staff to students.

[private_ryan]

31. this will make a great ad for the base

"go out and vote becuase Bush is still counting on the Supreme Court" and then play his words

[Protagoras]

3. I'm going to go buy a copy tomorrow

and frame it.

[Technowitch]

4. Yeeeehaaaaa!

(Delivered in the best Howard Dean style of course.) :D

[BattyDem]

5. I was LMAO at that answer ...

I mean, we're talking about CANADA! They get most of their drugs from US companies and all we want to do is import them back here. It's nothing more than a pharmaceutical joy ride - how f*cking dangerous is that???

[Heath.Hunnicutt]

7. Dude, he called Canada the third world.

What's next for the Canucks? Axis of not-good-enough!

[BattyDem]

10. LOL!

Right before he said that, I said to my friend, "He's making Canada sound like it's a third world country!" And then he goes and calls Canada the third world - we were hysterical!

[makhno]

18. Yeah, I guess that's one ally he doesn't mind offending

For all of W's talking about respecting "the Brits" et al., he sure dismissed the US' largest commercial partner and steadfast NATO ally pretty handily. Good job, Dubya!

[Princess Turandot]

22. I was surprised that Kerry didn't mention that Canada's FDA..

was likely as trustworthy as ours, and wasn't in the business of trying to kill its citizens.

[NightOwwl]

28. He did say that drugs from Canada were made in the U.S

So I think he got the point across.

[chookie]

15. Let me get this straight....

Okay. So Canada is too stupid to tell pure pharmaceutical products from dangerous bootlegs from the allies of Calcutta, but George Bush can, and should be unquestioningly trusted on this issue.

BUT it's okay for Merck to peddle Vioxx, which it has known for some years now posed a risk of serious effects to the heart. And if your loved one died while taking it, you have no recourse, because Bush wants to do away with pesky trial lawyers who persecute doctors and those good hearted pharmaceutical firms.

Makes sense. In some parallel universe.

Um, does Bush think we're all constantly on LSD, and that we don't notice that EVERYTHING he says is contrary to reality? Or did I miss something, when Bush was actually not misrepresenting reality?

[MsMagnificent]

32. They're used to getting away with everything

Why should they have realistic intentions? ...never mattered before.

[Shopaholic]

41. It gets better-Remicade (another arthritis drug)

is going to send out warnings to doctors on Monday that their drug (an injectable) may increase the risk for Lymphomia.

[Gabi Hayes]

9. you forgot anti-Gore whore Kit Seelye

somebody posted a thread about her response earlier

she was hands down for Bush

surprised?

[makhno]

14. Yeah, I saw that thread

Fuck her.

[tedzbear]

11. "An unfortunate joke!" I love it! I love it!

"And the president was utterly incoherent when asked about whom he might name to the Supreme Court in a second term. His comment about how he didn't want to offend any judges because he wanted "them all voting for me" was a joke - but an unfortunate one, given the fact that the president owes his job to a Supreme Court vote."


Muhahahahahahahaha!!!! I didn't think of that when it happened but I hope everybody else did. Thank u NYT (for once).

[tblue37]

26. Actually, when he first said it,

my jaw dropped. But then I thought about it for a minute and I realized he didn't mean it the way it sounded. He meant that he wants judges to be voting for him in this election, and if he says whom he would nominate, then other judges might be pissed off and therefore not vote for him.

But it sure did sound like a reference to the way he got into office, and I am pretty sure most people are going to take it that way.

Heh, heh, heh.

[Kool Kitty]

29. Mr. Bush is an unfortunate joke.

And what the hell did he mean by the statement, "I've increased the wetlands by 3 million?" Incoherent, ignorant piss-poor excuse for a statesman. :crazy:

[DoYouEverWonder]

34. I asked my husband, 3 million what?

inches?

[RaleighNCDUer]

43. Well, it's true, in a twisted way. One of the first things he did in

office, in the bad old days before 'everything changed' was to change, by decree, the definition of 'wetlands', thus removing 5 million acres from wetland protections. Since then, 3 million acres have been re-certified as protected. Leaving him 2 million acres down.

Kinda like what he did with the jobs. Lose 2 1/2 million, then boast about adding 1 million in the last 18 months. Still 1 1/2 million down.

[Pithy Cherub]

12. Bush cannot

forgive Canada because their are French speakers there. Besides Poland is number one in his heart!

[Politicub]

19. He even brought poland up again tonight?

What is it with Bush and Poland?

You know what they say -- Poland is the new Saudi Arabia.

[progdonkey]

38. yeah

In reference to Kerry once again saying we'd gone in alone, Bush responded, "What do you say to Tony Blair? or Silvio Berlusconi? or Aleksander Kwasniewski?" (Remember the massive land army that Italy provided?)

Kerry had a good retort that, if Missouri were an independent nation and put up the number of troops it has sent to Iraq, it would qualify as the third-largest country in the coalition, behind the US and Britain.

[lakemonster11]

46. I think

that Bush is just trying to prove that he can pronounce Aleksander Kwasniewski. I'm not kidding---I think that's his reason for constantly repeating his name.

[madaboutharry]

13. Those people over at the New York Times

are a bunch of commies.

[candy331]

17. Somebody had to say it and it had to be printed, because you

just can't "fool all the people all the time" Way to go Times, a badge of honor and courage in these trying dark days.

[kokomo]

23. you left out "pinko" and "faggot"

When did they let you out of Freeperland?

[madaboutharry]

27. It's a joke, kokomo

n/t

[Andromeda]

16. A Toast to the Old Grey Lady

:toast:

[Politicub]

20. Great!

This and the AP story are wonderful.

Kerry really knocked it out of the park tonight.

Kerry seemed so calm and unwavering, while Bush acted like a belligerent bully. I thought Bush was on the verge of becoming unhinged.

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. I think people are get sick and tired

of a pResident who is angry and irrational all the time. What a dangerous man.

[Mr_Spock]

21. Very nice indeed.

I agree with the analysis.

[DeepModem Mom]

33. kick

[Piperay]

36. I LOVE it

GREAT peice. :thumbsup:

[VOX]

37. Hail to the Good Gray NYT!

They got this **right**! :toast:

[spooky3]

39. May the rest of the media follow their lead in calling it as it is.

[LTR]

42. I caught that SCOTUS joke!

When Bush said he wanted them all to vote for them. My first thought was, how low can this guy go? That was a truly tasteless line, and I was shocked when I heard it. This guy just has no shame whatsoever.

[Generator]

44. Oh that darn elite media

who do they think they are?

Basically I told my husband last night that if the American people (whoever the hell they are) vote for Chimpyass over this wonderful, intelligent, honest, tall, hunk of a man that is so worthy to be president over the one that wasn't even elected and isn't even worth being a dog catcher in my eyes, we are leaving this country. I don't want to live here anymore. It's that obvious. If you can't get it after watching these debates, you will never get it.

[LibertyorDeath]

45. This I like

Kick