Breaking: MC Morning News: The MOST damning 911 info against Bush to date

[grandg]

http://www.madcowprod.com/GnG/ShaikhII.html
http://www.madcowprod.com/GnG/Shaikh.html

It is 100% all quotes from mainstream news articles and it is astounding.

Hopsicker has uncovered perhaps the most damning piece of evidence yet concerning the Saudi spy ring in San Diego and Bush's hand in suppressing it.

To break down just one piece of what we are talking about:

1) The 2 hijackers in SD lived with an FBI informant for many months in 2000.
2) The hijackers were introduced to FBI informant by a known Saudi Spy. The Spy and the informant have acknowledged being 'friends'. The Spy had been previously investigated by the FBI in 1998, who used the word 'jihadist' in there report to describe him.
3) The Saudi spy 'worked' for the Saudi Civil Aviation Authority subsidiary in San Diego.
4) The President of the Saudi Civil Aviation Authority is Mohammed al-Salmi.
5) The subsidiary attempted to fire the Saudi Agent on several occasions, but M. al-Salmi interceded and demanded the Saudi agent be kept on and his contract should be 'renewed as soon as possible' and that this was 'extremely urgent'.
6) It just so happens that another 20-something Saudi was staying at the home of the FBI informant with the hijackers.
7) This Saudi's name is Yazeed al-Salmi.
8) Yazeed al-Salmi is the nephew of the President of the Saudi Civil Aviation Authority, Mohammed al-Salmi.
9) The San Diego subsidiary of the Saudi Aviation Authority was under investigation for supporting al-Qaeda BEFORE 9-11.
10) oh yeah, the FBI informants handler, guess what he happened to be investigating at the time the hijackers were living with his informant?? He 'had been monitoring a flow of Saudi Arabian money that wound up in the hands of two of the 9/11 hijackers.' according to US News. The Saudi spy was giving the hijackers the money.


So the FBI informant and the Saudi spy where friends. The FBI informant housed the 2 hijackers and the the nephew of the boss of the Saudi Spy, all at once. The FBI informant's handler is investigating the money that the Saudi spy is giving to the hijackers.

Well then, this conclusively shows that the FBI knew what was going on.
If after reading Hopsicker's article you disagree with the above conclusion, please explain why.

Now there is no room to wonder why Bush demanded the FBI "restrain" and "obfuscate" the FBI's post 911 investigation.
If allowed to proceed, it would show the FBI knew exactly what was going on, if not outright housing the hijackers.

peace

[grandg]

1. Or would you rather talk about the bulge in his pants?

I mean shirt.

[ladybugg33]

22. It seems like no one pays attention to the information that is out there.

I guess it just doesn't matter to Bush supporters.

[grandg]

23. True the Bush supporters are blinded right now...

But if Kerry were president, I doubt he would do one thing to confront what was in that article. I hope I am wrong.

[Zhade]

2. A VERY SHOCKED kick

Speechless.

[grandg]

3. to say the least....

I attempted to post this article on the Late Breaking News forum, but the moderator would not allow it up there. Something about Mad Cow Morning News was not a mainstream news source.

Well no crap. that is why they are reporting this story, no mainstream news outlet would put all this together.

Care to elaborate on the cause of the speechlessness?

[Booster]

4. It's bothered me ever since 9/11 that supposedly the

highjackers used false ID's on that date, so if they knew who they were on 9/12 then they knew who they were on 9/10, and they knew what they were up to.

[grandg]

25. exactly

[Old and In the Way]

5. Wasn't the Saudi's Ambassador's wife implicated in funneling $

to these hi-jackers?

[grandg]

6. yeah, that was in the article...

the part about Osama Basnan and his wife.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. Yes, she was Prince Bandar's wife

The Prince is so close to the Bush family that they call him Bandar Bush.

His wife just happened to be giving away tons of money to the hijackers, but it was just charity. Supposedly she gives money to anyone that asks for whatever reason. I'd like to get her phone number, I could use a few grand.



http://www.hvk.org/articles/1202/52.html


Bush and the Saudi princess

Author: Mark Steyn
Publication: The Spectator
Date: November 30, 2002

Mark Steyn says that the President's cosying up to the Saudis is making a mockery of the war on terrorism New Hampshire

I always like the bit in the Bond movie where 007 and the supervillain meet face to face - usually at the supervillain's marine research facility or golf course or, in this latest picture, his Icelandic diamond mine. Bond knows the alleged marine biologist is, in fact, an evil mastermind bent on world domination. The evil mastermind knows Bond is a British agent. But both men go along with the pretence that the other fellow is what he's claiming to be, and the exquisitely polite encounter invariably ends with the mastermind purring his regrets about being unable to be more helpful. 'But perhaps we shall meet again, Mr Bond,' he says, as the Oriental manservant shows 007 to the door.

It must have been a bit like that when Prince Bandar and his family dropped by the Bush ranch at Crawford a couple of months ago. Bush must have known for the best part of a year that in the run-up to 11 September Bandar's wife, Princess Haifa, had been making regular transfers from her Washington bank account to a couple of known associates of the terrorists. Bandar must have known Bush knew. Each party knows the other party knows they're engaged in a charade, but they observe the niceties, with Laura showing Princess Haifa the ranch, Bush hailing the 'eternal friendship' between the Saudi and American people, and Bandar regretting, as the Saudis always do, that they're unable to be more helpful.

It would be nice if George W. Bond would kick over the cocktails and lob a grenade into Oilfingers refinery, but instead he and the sheikhs are still teasing each other. In this latest curious episode, the official explanation, if I can type it without giggling, goes something like this: Princess Haifa, the wife of the Saudi ambassador to Washington, gets a letter from a woman in Virginia she's never heard of complaining about steep medical bills. Being a friendly sort of princess, she immediately authorises the Riggs Bank in Washington to make payment by cashier's cheque of several thousand dollars per month to this woman, no questions asked. How come I can never get hold of a princess like that when I need one?

Of the $130,000 she receives from the benevolent ambassadress, Majeda Ibrahin signs at least some of the cheques over to a friend of hers, who's married to a guy in San Diego who's helping two of the 11 September plotters. Pure coincidence, say the smooth-talking Saud princelings put up on the talk-show circuit since Newsweek broke the story at the weekend. Could happen to any good-hearted princess.


more...

[grandg]

24. the Spectator is for real

where is that from Canada?

[DoYouEverWonder]

26. England

http://www.spectator.co.uk/frontpage.php

The Spectator was established in 1828, and is the oldest continuously published magazine in the English language. The Spectator's taste for controversy, however, remains undiminished. There is no party line to which our writers are bound - originality of thought and elegance of expression are the sole editorial constraints. The result, week after week, is that the best British journalists, critics, authors and cartoonists turn out their best work for the magazine, to produce an extraordinarily wide-ranging title.

Enjoy your visit to the site.

[grandg]

33. very interesting

however, wouldnt the content of a British Magazine be somewhat watered down?

The libel/slander laws are much stricter.

In the USA, a statement must be false (other elements are required but this is most important)to be defamatory.

In Britain, the published statement could be subject to penalty even if it is completely true. To defame in GB, your statement only need be outside the commonly accepted norm of reality.

At least that is what Greg Palast said.

[dogman]

7. Bob Graham discussed this while promoting his book.

More coincidence.

[grandg]

8. he discussed about 1/20th of what i read in the article...

I did not get to read Graham's book, but i have read all the news articles about it. None of them mention anything besides that Bayoumi was a Saudi spy and his salary went up when the hijackers arrived.

Graham's book is all about intelligence failures.

This article shows conclusively that there was no failure, the FBI were tracking the 2 san diego based hijackers and the Saudi funding which was going to them. And maybe more than just tracking...

[nonconformist]

9. Bookmarked!

Thanks.

Let's keep this KICKED!

[grandg]

10. I agree...

kicked?

[shraby]

11. Bob Graham says in his book that

2 of the hijackers were living with an FBI informant.

[grandg]

12. well the Washington Post said that 3 years ago...

it is no secret the 2 hijackers were living with the FBI informant.

But Graham does not say in his book that:
Also living with the FBI informant at the same time as the hijackers was the nephew of the President of Saudi CIvil Aviation (who was responsible for the Saudi spy's employment) was also living with the FBI informant. The nephew shared a car insurance policy with the hijackersand gave the hijackers at least $4,000 in travelers checks.

[Cheswick2.0]

18. KICK

I respond to the thread and it "kicks" the thread back to the top of the page so more people see it.:kick:

[grandg]

30. thanks

[AliceWonderland]

13. Add that to this

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0208/S00085.htm

and it's surreal.

A Scoop call yesterday to Senator Nelson’s office seeking an update on the matter revealed that Nelson finally received a DOJ letter from Attorney General John Ashcroft, who asserted that Pensacola Naval Air Station did not train hijackers, according to Nelson’s press spokesperson Gretchen Hitchner.

However, Ashcroft offered no explanation as to how Saudi terrorists could have gained access to and been able to live at the Pensacola, Florida military base as their driver licenses and car registrations indicated, according to news reports - flight training or not.

Full. Criminal investigation. Now. <-- whoa, she's a dreamer

[grandg]

14. well your not the only one...

someday the FBI will join us,
and we can investigate as one.

wasnt that a beatles song?

[grandg]

15. I find it odd, the misconception that...

something like 8 of the 19 hijackers are still alive is so prominent. Take for example al-Omari. They try and say he is still alive and giving interviews in Saudi Arabia. Yet the guy that is alive is named Abdulrahman al-Omari. The hijacker went by the name Abdulazziz al-Omari. So who cares if the other guy is still alive, he dont got the exact same name so it isnt him.

Perhaps because arab names a so foreign and similar that this farce can be perpetrated.

The farce being that the hijackers were just made up patsies and that the planes were remote controlled or switched and loaded with missiles.

what disinfo. it completely prevents people from investigating the actual events because they say, hey we dont even know who these suppossed hijackers are so where is there to begin.

that could not be farther from the truth, as i am finding out. I have dedicted my time, besides work and family, to delve further into the hijackers. It helps to be a lawyer and have access to lexis-nexis and westlaw. we'll see how it goes.

[Carolab]

16. Ahem

"he don't got"? Is that legalese?

[grandg]

17. ahem... i am the ghetto lawyer.

the one that don't proof his posts.
and btw, I said it would help to be an attorney and have those research tools, in no way did i say that i was attorney.
that is the first rule they teach in law school... do not give conclusions. It goes issue, rule of law, analysis THEN conclusion.
:-)

[grandg]

21. Nice article on Scoop

Interesting how Flocco cites Hopsicker's work in that article, and the original post was about an article by Hopsicker. Apparently the Mad Cow Morning News is becoming more well known. I wonder if it has to do with his recent series about the infiltration of the 9-11 movement by John Gray (Men are from Mars author). Gray just happens to be a decade old business partner of Adnan Khashoggi, who visited Bin Laden in Afghanistan in 1998 on behalf of Saudi Arabia to arrange supposed "protection payments" for the Saudis. And then Mike Ruppert and Barry Zwicker run to John Gray's aid, defending his connections with Khashoggi instead of helping to expose this fraud.

craziness.

[DoYouEverWonder]

27. Teresa LaPore, the butterfly ballot queen's

old boss was Adnan Khashoggi. Small world isn't it?

[grandg]

29. you could say khashoggi owns John Gray

and not just his book rights.

[grandg]

32. where did theresa and khash work?

[DoYouEverWonder]

36. Teresa worked for Khassogi

has an airline stewardess on his private jet. Rumor has it that a good pair of knee pads were a job requirement.

[grandg]

40. nice

[grandg]

42. now i see how khash operates, the finest women bring the finest

weapons contracts.

:9

[ParanoidPat]

48. See the final issue (fall 2004) of NEST magazine......

.....for more details of the LaPore/Khashoggi relationship. :evilgrin:

[grandg]

20. thanks for the explanation...

so this is kicking.

[RebelYell]

28. Thanks for posting this here

:hi:

Hopsicker usually ends up in the basement, but you posted it there first! Ha!

[grandg]

43. I didnt realize we were in the basement

or do you mean the other category is the basement?
either way, I'm there!

[merh]

31. You have to understand, this is not news to many on DU.

We have read articles on this and are well aware of these connections (if not more). HOW DO YOU GET THE mainstream and cable news organizatons to report it?

If you figure that one out, let us know. :shrug:

[grandg]

34. Help me to understand....

"We have read articles on this and are well aware of these connections (if not more)."
-Merh


You may want to read the article again:
http://www.madcowprod.com/GnG/ShaikhII.html


NO news site on the internet has covered the connections of the President of Saudi Civil Aviation and his Nephew to the hijackers.

Not one. I just checked again. Zero news articles which contain the name Yazeed (nephew) and Mohammed (Uncle, all possible spelling variants searched) al-Salmi (or alsalmi, one word) except for the 911 commission report.

The only place that mentions this is the 911 report notes, but they do not connect any of the dots fo rthe reader. the 911 report is to a joke, but it did contain several revelations.

Please refer me to one single post that a DU member has previously made about this topic.

After all I heard "This is not news to many on DU".

thanks

[RebelYell]

35. Here's Hopsicker's latest interview by Fintan Dunne

http://www.breakfornews.com/

[grandg]

37. thanks rebel

[Disturbed]

38. Graham's book

Anyone notice that this book has been ignored by everyone in the Bush Admin.? Other authors and books were attacked but not this one. Obviously no one wants to open this can of worms.

[grandg]

39. good point, but watch out for Bobby Graham

Graham was the Head of the Senate Intelligence Community, and Chairman of the Congressional Joint Inquiry into 911.

Bob Graham knows about 1,000x more 911 info than what he is saying. In reality, he is just as big a shill as Bush.

He is caught lying through his teeth.

Check this out.

Palm Beach Post:
"Graham acknowledged at news conference in Boca Raton last month that Glass had contact with his office before Sept. 11, 2001, about an attack on the World Trade Center. "I was concerned about that and a dozen other pieces of information which emanated from the summer of 2001," the senator said.
Graham later said he was unaware of Glass' information until after the terrorist attacks."
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2002/palmbeachpost101702.html


Watch the video of Glass:
http://innworldreport.net/video/2004-07-02/glass.html


for overview of Randy Glass:
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/main/randyglass.html


Not that I care about Randy Glass or think this was some smoking gun. THe only reason I bring it up is to show that Graham is a lying, two faced opportunist.

Much like his best buddy, Porter Goss... who happened to be on a CIA hit squad in the 60s called Operation 40.

http://www.madcowprod.com/mc6512004.html

[Bongo Prophet]

44. Hopsicker is a good solid source, as far as I can tell.

Especially because he gets on the ground and finds details in the FLA part of the equation. I have seen an occasional article that quotes him, but you're right--"reputable" sources flee, FLEE...

Maybe what was meant was a more general knowledge of MC news, because I haven't seen this particular info. I'm not sure though.
There has been a lot of discussion on Ruppert, Hopsicker, et al over the past few years, but it is usually in terrorism forum. And it quickly devolves into bad methodology, an argument between close-minded Uberskeptics (it's ALL crazy/i see NOTHING) vs fake plane absurdities/red herrings (prove to me it's NOT x + y =my theory! Or are you one of THEM?)

Right now, most of us are trying very hard to help win the battle for WH. So much so that ALL else has to be on hold till after ...not the election, but the CONCESSION.
All about a hopefully peaceful transfer of power, so we can move on to next step.
If we can get JK in, he is the MOST likely person based on his record with investigating BCCI and Iran/Contra to understand the enormity of the...you know...real opposition....and at least strike some blows for the good.
So for the next month, it's ALL OUT for John!
And thanks for the heads up! Welcome to DU and please keep inputting good data. I'll go check it out when my headache goes away...
B-)

[grandg]

46. Janitor, right on about Hopsicker...

I believe the post you were replying to was mine. In my post I was not clear.

I meant to point out how original Hopsicker's reporting was by illustrating that this topic was not discussed anywhere else on the internet.

Then I realized that this could be interpreted to meant that since I could not find it duplicated anywhere, that it is not true because it could not be corroborated.

Hopefully I will be clear here:

No other reporter but Hopsicker has managed to piece this all together so nicely. By him simply using quotes from major news articles with no additional writing, Hopsicker managed to portray the San Diego cell more vividly and accurately than anything that I have seen previously.

Maybe that clears things up a bit.

Good luck with the race, i cant stand Bush. But I could never attempt to aid Kerry either. True Kerry has served on committees to expose some facts about Iran Contra and CIA Drug running. However, they were complete whitewashes. Witnesses were allowed to be coached, and they got up and said whatever they were told to say by their attorney and then they were gone with little problem. Kerry then twisted and sugar coated what was told to the committee, issued a whitewashed report that there were only a small handful of bad CIA and bang, its done. no more CIA drug running & hanging out with the medellin cartel. well that is technically correct, the CIA just switched which cartels they did business with. Iran COntra and CIA drug smuggling is the same scandal, the Contras were in business with the Medellin cartel helping them to run drugs.

Who can blame Kerry though, he was just doing his job. You cant expect a guy to buck the system and roll some heads, can you?

Not in this day.

Go Kerry!

[Bongo Prophet]

49. 1st part of post , clear as a bell. some more thoughts as well

If we had more people with the good methodology of Daniel H, more could be recorded and corroborated. These things usually take so much time to come out, but even so it is important to dig and record to get the history and the patterns straight. With internet we can get things straight in MUCH less time than in the dark ages. But with that comes also the red herring disinfo that muddies the waters, and sloppy CTs that just spout theory first, evidence second or never.

As to Kerry, I followed his work pretty closely as c-span was showing committees. he chaired the Foreign relations committee and went harder on it than ANYONE I have ever seen, even if some parties were on Dem side. (Clifford, Lance, etc.) That gets points from me as to his sincerity. Bush 41 squelched any Justice Dept. action so he passed on info to a private party, which then carried on lawsuits going on to this day. When he was going hard on the Ollie North connections, they tried to destroy JK as they did during nixon years. He has been VERY honorable through his career. Now, when they passed investigations to The Fixers (Lee Hamilton, et al) things got really passive, esp. on the drug running end. Do you have any record of Kerry personally sugar coating anything? I would be open to reading about it, honestly. I know in reports it is not just one persons work, and there are always sharks and moles around. No one is 1000% good, since we are all human, with families that can be threatened. I heard JK mention that as a BCCI tactic in particular. And Kerry's hair turned white in the 2-3 year interim of much of this.
Gee, whatever happened to Lee Hamilton, after his sugar coating of October Surprise, Iran Contra....Oh yeah. (9-11 commission)

Also gotta give props to the late great Henry Gonzales, who even got a car bomb for his efforts in exposing some of these things.

So you are right of course about the danger of all this.
May I ask who you think the best candidate, or even potential candidate to help in any of the many structural changes we need? Curious to know your thought, esp. since you seem pretty hip to the history of all this.
Again, let me know of any link to some of the BG on the committee process re Kerry... and any other good stuff you've found as well...always good to have another healthy investigative mind in our mindpool! Cheers!

Oh also, have you seen the Going Upriver video? I think it shows some of the reasons why JK has good understanding of the REAL fight, and if he gets in, would AT LEAST allow a freedom to dissent that would be necessary to move toward ANY progress at all.

[grandg]

50. Henry's the man.

However, saying Kerry 'sugar-coated' things is an understatement.

Don't forget, it was called the Kerry commission. he was in charge.

Let me quote Hopsicker's first breakthrough book, 'Barry and the Boys'

"the Kerry committee reported there were 'signs' its smugglers were using CIA covert operations to protect their cocaine shipments into the US."

'Signs'? The Kerry Commission had thousands of pieces of evidence showing direct involvement in with the Medellin. It was already a known fact, yet the KC phrased it so it could be debated or denied.
The very definition of sugar-coating.

It is on page 263, I dont know if its online anywhere but check it out.

If you want people, help Hopsciker out and buy his book. Not at Amazon, from his website:
http://www.madcowpress.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TMM&Category_Code=B

This kind of journalism should be encouraged by all who care about getting to the bottom of things, especially 9-11.

I hope you're right about Kerry, that would be wonderful.

[Bongo Prophet]

51. Yeah, "signs" is a definite understatement.

As to whether sugar-coat is an understatement or "the very definition" is a semantic difference that makes no difference. As a matter of fact, that's an excellent analogy! The final summary is often co-written by the chairs from each side, often with aides. This is not excusing him, nor really accusing him either. In the sugar-coat analogy, the outside is coated so that the bitter pill can be swallowed. In that sense, the coating helps get the "medicine" into the record.
This seems to happen in big long investigations. Reams of pretty damning evidence is characterized as "indications" or "possibilities" when most observers (like me) would shout "indictable offense" and worse. So I do agree with you on that. Sounds like we could knock back a few beverages of choice and have long fun talks!
I have always wanted that book. Sounds like I need to finally pick it up.
Money has been such a damn issue the last few years. As a freelance artist, I depend on a robust economy to survive. And that's been spotty for a while now, so books and CDs have been filling up my wishlist pile since 2000. That really did a number on me, because of the weight of knowledge of what these guys are capable of. i know you know what I'm talking about.
A drowning man is grateful for every breath, and I just want a chance to keep head above water and pay off some debt.
But maybe i will get it for xmas?
Definitely will get it from his website. He deserves every bit of support.

Thanks again!

[grandg]

41. please enlighten as to where else you have seen

the info about the nephew and uncle...

[psychopomp]

45. KICK

Threads like this make my head hurt from BANGING IT AGAINST THE WALL

[grandg]

47. perhaps you should start wearing a protective helmet when reading

I started to last year and now I hardly notice I have it on!