Okay, Bush sucked per usual, but KERRY

[grace0418]

Let's talk about what Kerry did right, since the freepers seem to think that we're just ABB and not pro-Kerry.

Here are a couple of instances that really made me say AMEN, PRESIDENT KERRY:

When that squirrely woman asked him about abortion in a clear attempt to nail him on the fact that he's Catholic but pro-choice (gasp!), he said one of the most amazing things I could've ever hoped he would say. He calmly stated that, regardless what his beliefs are, "I have to represent ALL the people." Can it be true? Will we finally have a president who understands the separation between church and state in this country? Who sees that it is nothing short of discrimination to be legislating Christian dogma when Americans are supposed to be free to worship however we like?

Then, when Bush was asked and completely sidestepped the question about the Patriot Act, Kerry told us "I will never let terrorists change the Constitution."

Mr. Kerry, you had my vote before, but now... you have my most fervent support. Thank you.

[LDS Jock]

1. Kerry on the Supreme Court nominee

I loved his response. He wanted to select someone who would interpret the law based only on the law, not reading into it his/her own religious and political beliefs. I don't have the exact quote, but he said he would appoint someone who when you read their decisions, you could not be able to tell if the justice was man or woman, christian jew or muslim, or Democrat or republican. *'s answer was someone who wouldn't take out the phrase "under God" in the pledge of allegiance or support the Dred Scott decision. :wtf:

edit for typo

and for more info... The next president will most probably be appointing at least one member to the Supreme Court, possibly several. This is HUGE in determining the future interpretations of laws.

[grace0418]

3. Yeah that was great

And Dred Scott? WTF is he talking about? I hope, when selecting judicial candidates, he also makes sure to check whether or not they will support American independence from Britain too. We wouldn't want any redcoats in the Supreme Court!

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

16. And the hilarious part is, he would choose a strict constructionist

- according to his own statement - and a strict constructionist WOULD support Dred Scott.

Not that it matters, after all. But I saw his choice of example as pandering to African Americans without having to get into all that messy, modern-day affirmative action stuff. "I won't let anyone turn you coloreds into somebody else's propitty." Gee, thanks boss! :eyes:

[Nay]

23. The Dred Scott thing just killed me, too! WTF??? The judges in

the Dred Scott decision WERE strict constructionists, and agreed that the Constitution obviously allowed slavery (3/5 of a person, etc.) so what the hell was Bush trying to say?

He obviously does not understand that decision or the history of it, even in a high-school-history-class way. But then, neither do his slavish followers. ("History is BORING! Hey, let's watch Beavis and Butthead!")

[underpants]

36. W was saying plainly that he will NOT nominate a pro-slavery justice

Repeat: the first SC nominee of the 21st Century will NOT be pro-slavery....any other questions?

:eyes:

At first I was shocked that he even knew who Dred Scott was and what the case was about.......and then I realized he didn't.

[Iris]

42. Whew! That's a load off my mind! Maybe I'll change my mind about voting

for Kerry!

But then again, Bush would like to make me a slave to my own body, but we won't go there right now.

[Nay]

43. Actually, Bush said out loud that he didn't want "activist"

judges, and gave as an example the judge in the Dred Scott case. Bush wants judges who follow the Constitution strictly. But the Dred Scott judge WASN'T an activist judge, he was the DEFINITION of a strict constructionist, a judge who follows the Constitution strictly!!

I also was shocked that he knew the Dred Scott case, and then, like you, realized he didn't know anything about it, really, and of course his followers know nothing of it. And they won't crack a book to find out, so he's safe with them.

So, Bush actually said he would have supported the Dred Scott decision because the judge was interpreting the Constitution strictly and not being activist -- i.e., freeing the slaves, counting the free blacks as actual people or making them actual citizens, etc.

[underpants]

44. He was using Dred Scott to reach out to African-Americans too

That was obvious in pulling that out of his a**

Actually that was clearly scripted.

[question everything]

45. I often think of the 4th Amendment, prohibiting illegal search and seizure

obviously meaning physical acts - these were the only known then.

Would strict constructionists extend it to electronic means?

[Longhorn]

41. That was my reaction, exactly!

Pandering at best, racist at worst.

[Mojambo]

2. He was everything a democrat should be on abortion

"I have to represent ALL the people."

I actually clapped when he said that and I was watching by myself!

[LDS Jock]

4. That was a good line

ALL the people.. not just those who vote for me, those who believe the same way as me.. but EVERYONE. Abortion is legal, whether some like it or not. What that lady was saying can be applied to many things. What if I don't believe in Social Security? Can I get out of paying taxes for it? NO. What if I believe I shouldn't have to pay taxes for education since I don't have any children. Why can't I get out of that? Those aren't the best examples (its late and I've taken a Tylenol PM) but you get the idea.

Just me, but that question almost seemed planted.

[Barney Rocks]

5. That Blonde woman who asked about abortion was

NOT an undecided. I taped the election, and when I looked more carefully, there were several cutaways to her looking at Bush while he talked--she looked at him like he was a rock star and she was a kid with a crush. Come--on--undecided my ass.

[grace0418]

7. You could tell

she was a creepy right-to-lifer who pays absolutely no attention to any other issue facing our country.

[Homerr]

9. The post debate footage

when the candidates and wives were getting their photos taken with the masses - this blond lady was initially hanging around Bush, then around Kerry.

[Barney Rocks]

13. wouldn't you try to shake hands with

both of them? I mean seriously, you are in a room with 140 people and the two candidates for president (and you are supposedly an undecided voter) wouldn't you try to meet them both to tell your grandchildren?

Anyway--she is a BushBot--I feel sure of it.

[NightOwwl]

17. nevermind - misunderstood the post

[grace0418]

18. Amen to that

If he got too close, I'd probably spit on him and then the Secret Service would break my neck or something.

[Barney Rocks]

19. But, you are

not an "undecided or a soft voter" supposedly these are people who could go either way--or at least that is how they presented themselves. I would expect such a voter to want to meet both of them...and if they are not actually soft voters--they really have to stay "in character" while they are at the event. Some of these people love the attention of being undecided--they seem to even like that more than having strong views.

Go figure.

[grace0418]

26. You're right, that's true

Very good point. Personally, I would be embarrassed to be undecided at this point. How much more do you need to know? How about taking some responsibility for your decision and doing an hour of internet research? I saw this woman on the news a couple of weeks ago and she said "I really don't think Bush is a good president but I just don't know much about John Kerry. I don't know where he stands on the issues or what his plans are for the nation." I almost choked. Seriously, what, do you want John to come to your house and explain his stance? Can't you take a few minutes out of your life and go to JohnKerry.com? Or google "john kerry on the issues" and see what comes up? G-sus, people are so freaking lazy!

To be fair, I also think Bush supporters are idiots too, so this lady has only one chance to get it right with me. ;)

[SammyWinstonJack]

35. Yes.

Maybe spend a little less time in chat rooms or playing on-line games and do some research on the candidates if you "don't know" where they stand on the issues or what their plans are for the nation. :eyes: I agree, people are lazy.

[Dob Bole]

27. true...

If you were at the debate, and you shook hands with them, then you would be able to tell your children later that you had met TWO presidents.

[LDS Jock]

14. that aboslutly drives me up the wall!!!!

Some people will vote on one issue only forever it seems. I can't believe anyone would consider abortion the ONE AND ONLY issue to base your vote on. If you are against abortion, wanting to save innocent lives, then get our troops the hell out of Iraq. Those are innocent lives being lost. Abortion does have a legitmate place as a political topic, but it being the ONLY point is absurd.

[Dem2theMax]

20. Issues? Get this. CSPAN after the debate - takes calls from

both sides of the fence. Repuke lady calls in and says that 'all that hand movement of Kerry's is a bad thing and THAT is why she is voting for * - yep, because of 'hand movements.'

I give up trying to figure out how half the population of this country is so frickin' stupid that they can not or will not SEE who * really is and what he and his administration are doing to this country and the world.

But heaven forbid we get someone in office who MOVES HIS HANDS.
:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[LDS Jock]

21. her voting rights should be revoked.. let me have them

That lady is too stupid to vote if she is going to base her vote on hand movements. Many MANY times when I see the polls I wonder how in hell can half the people still be supporting bush. With this kind of stupidity, I can see why.

[grace0418]

28. LOL

If people lost their voting rights due to stupidity, we wouldn't have to be working so hard for Kerry. He'd get 95% of the vote.

BTW, HOW CUTE are those little guys in your avatar ldsjocktx?! Are they pups?

[LDS Jock]

46. yes puppies

Samoyeds. They get fairly big. Here is a full grown one. Still beautiful dogs.

[WilmywoodNCparalegal]

24. Sigh... I guess that means Italian-Americans

can never be elected....



(since Italians are well-known hand gesturers)

[ZombieNixon]

29. Mamma mia!

Il povero Luigi non può mai essere il presidente. Portarme uno caffè macchiato! :-)

[underpants]

37. I thought the same thing at first

but at the end she was laughing at W and trying not to look at W making an a** out of himself on the 3 mistakes question. I was sure she was a plant but then she might have been and just got to finally see her hero in person and realized how embarrassing he really is.


See other observations here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1020908&mesg_id=1020908

[sherilocks]

39. In a previous thread about the blonde "undecided"

abortion questioner, several DUers put it this way:

She looked like she was going to perform fellatio on *

She looked like she was going to suck his c**k

Me? I think she was about to have an orgasm.

[siliconefreak]

40. Absolutely

I agree. Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farms didn't fool me either.

[NightOwwl]

6. What changed for me...

I knew Kerry was smart, in fact brighter than most; and his command of the language was above average.

But tonight was the first time I have seen the combination of his intelligence and eloquence. I was overwhelmed and honestly, I thought it was quite beautiful.

[arewenotdemo]

8. he is amazing

how any sentient being could witness that mismatch and call it the other way or a draw is beyond me

[the_outsider]

11. yes, intelligence, eloquence and integrity

the more I see him the more I like him. You can sense that he is a pragmatic person you could trust to do his best and you rarely get that feeling about a politician.

[sangh0]

31. You nailed it

The reason why I have preferred Kerry over all the other Dem primary candidates is NOT because I worship him as a hero. I don't need to worship a politician, which after all, is exactly what John Kerry is.

I support Kerry enthusiastically because he has the skills, the intelligence, the judgement, and the character and integrity that makes me confident he will be a superb President.

[whirlygigspin]

10. well said, wonderful post

[grace0418]

12. Oh and when Kerry just smiled politely while

a cocky-looking Bush was blustering about "I own a timber company? That's news to me!"

I just had a feeling, looking at Kerry's face, that we were going to find out after the debate that Kerry was right. If Bush had two brain cells to rub together he would've figured that Kerry was trapping him. But he walked right into it.

And Kerry just let him hang himself and didn't correct him. Nice work, John.

[vixengrl]

25. Heh heh--I thought that, too.

I turned to my hubby and said, "Gee, I bet with all the oil and stuff, you could miss a piddlin' old timber company, couldn't you?" Well, Bush, maybe, but most Americans would pretty much know what *companies* they have a piece of and don't.

[grace0418]

15. Ooo, ooo! How about when Georgie

got done with his bizarre speech about selecting justices (the now famous "Dred Scott" portion of the evening), and Kerry stood up and directly quoted Bush saying "What we need are more conservative judges." Damn, that was good.

[illuminaughty]

22. Hypocrites!

On a thread the other day someone remarked "you can't be pro-life and pro-war". Exactly. Tonight * said, talking about stem-cell research, "you can't take a life to save a life" Isn't that what one is basically doing in war? I mean, that is the ideology behind it. These people that talk about values haven't seen the pictures or video from Iraq and won't. They are gung-ho war but not pro-choice.

What bothers me is how they throw around the term "sanctity of life" when it helps their platform. And they talk about creating alternatives to abortion, blah, blah, blah, but...these are the same people who won't provide health care for that child after it is born.

Kerry's point was great. As president you cannot inflict your ideology on the masses. I take it then we won't hear Kerry telling us that God is telling him "go, go and kill". I do believe * is hearing voices...just not that of Gods.

[arwalden]

30. Grace... That Was One Of My Favorite Moments Too...

... when Kerry let her know that he empathized with her convictions about protecting life... but that he would be the President for ALL the people and that he would not limit rights that were protected under the constitution.

Obviously it wasn't what she wanted to hear and she's probably a one-issue voter that won't vote for Kerry anyway ("undecided" my-ass)... but the even-handed fairness Kerry displayed and his unwillingness to pander to her obvious desires was simply brilliant on his part.

-- Allen

[OnionPatch]

32. I have to say I was ABB

when Kerry first became the frontrunner in the primaries, but after listening to him many times, I found "YES!" moments all over the place. I really love this guy! He's turned out to be even better than I had hoped and the way he's been kicking ass in these debates.....well, he's almost becoming a hero to me now!

[underpants]

33. Kerry was fantastic last night in the debate-THAT was what I wanted to see

He looked sharp in every sense of the word.

He had specific points to every issue, he pointed out W's falings, and he had alternatives/plans for everything. Of course he couldn't go into a lot of detail but he had something specific to say about every question and to every questioner.

I loved how he went back to "Nicki" 20 minutes after her question and tied THAT answer back into her question (which he had already answered)referring to her by name.

He was smooth as silk.

[sangh0]

34. Kerry really connected with people on the Domestic Issue questions

Particularly the environmental, abortion, and stem-cell research questions. I think one of the biggest weaknesses in his campaign has been the difficulty Kerry has had at countering the perception that he is "aloof" and "pedantic". I think that, last night, he put that to bed for many people.

[TheDonkey]

38. I don't care what the freaks say really. I'm ABB, and Pro-Kerry

He took control, was clear and consice on his answers.
Stood up for roe v. wade and women's constitutional right.
Supported science, and broaders stem cell research.
Once to fight for the middle class, not Halliburton.

[JohnKleeb]

47. I can't begin to start

He impressed me on so many levels, by explaining his tax plan perfectly.

[Generator]

48. Absolutely!

And when pressed on the not banning "partial birth abortion" he simply stated there was no out for the life of the woman. About "parental notification" he actually just came out and said, "I'm not going to ask some 16 year old kid that's been raped by her father to ask permission of her father for an abortion."

Nothing unclear there, folks. Imagine a President that wasn't a simpleton. I don't want to live in this black/white world that our "President" does. I believe the Taliban and Georgie boy would get along just fine on principal.