Edwards is wrong - John Kerry voted less with Bush them him

[kerryistheanswer]

am I missing something? These are the numbers I got from a New York Post article. Relax, I know it's Murdoch owned but found it in the google news.

By contrast, Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) voted with Bush 32 percent of the time, Sen. John Edwards voted with Bush 41 percent of the time, and Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) voted with the president 30 percent of the time.

Senate Democrats, on average, voted to back Bush 48 percent of the time.

What is Edwards talking about?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. Kerry is much more progressive/less inclined to support......

right wing policies than Edwards is.

Edwards needs to get his facts straight.

[bearfartinthewoods]

22. ifyou feel the stats are in error, contact Congrssional Quarterly

RALEIGH, NC: Senator John Edwards has stood up to President Bush more often than any other person in the Senate, according to a new analysis by Congressional Quarterly.

Edwards voted against Bush's agenda 58.7 percent of the time, topping Congressional Quarterly's list. Here are the top ranking Senators who vote against Bush and their respective rankings:

•John Edwards (D-NC): 58.7 percent
•Bob Graham(D-Fla.): 58.3 percent
•Jon Corzine (D-NJ): 56.8 percent
•Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ): 56.3 percent
•Barbara Mikulski (D-Md): 56.0 percent
•Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): 55.6 percent
•Jack Reed (D- RI): 55.2 percent
•Dick Durbin (D-Ill.): 54.5 percent
•Joseph Biden (D-Del.): 54.1 percent
•Tom Harkin (D-Iowa): 54.1 percent
•Paul Sarbanes (D-Md.): 53.9 percent

[JI7]

2. data involved can change numbers

maybe they are only counting some bills. maybe they are counting different amounts of time.

[valphoosier]

3. You may have the wrong year...

[kerryistheanswer]

4. Nope - the article was posted yesterday

January 10, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - New York Sens. Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer supported President Bush in their Senate votes more often than any of the Democrats running for president, a new survey shows.

The state's senators, both Democrats, voted with Bush 47 percent of the time last year, Congressional Quarterly found.

By contrast, Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-Conn.) voted with Bush 32 percent of the time, Sen. John Edwards voted with Bush 41 percent of the time, and Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) voted with the president 30 percent of the time.

http://www.nypost.com/news/regionalnews/44717.htm

[jjmalonejr]

5. Edwards cited Congressional Quarterly

but you need a membership to search there.

[JI7]

6. the poster is citing congressional quarterly also

this poster who did this is posting an article, but the article reports it's numbers from congressional quarterly also. in any case, i think it's more important to look at the specific bills than just what percentage of time one may have voted with or against bush.

[jjmalonejr]

7. I agree with you but...

...I'm not sure how Edwards can spin these numbers the way he has, and I'm interested to know how Edwards concludes that he has opposed Bush more often than Kerry.

I like Edwards, but I think his statements about the survey strains credibility.

[JI7]

8. i don't think edwards would lie

he either just made a mistake, or the numbers come from different calculations. such as edwards might have based the numbers on a different time period. i can't be sure. but i will say i don't think edwards would just lie about it.

[jjmalonejr]

9. Neither do I.

That's why this thread has me curious.

[AP]

10. At the Edwards blog someone posted part of the CQ report which

said that Edwards ranked number 1.

However, nobody has seen the origninal. Furthermore, since Bush doesn't 'vote' on legislation, it's hard to see how this is measured.

Suffices to say, Edwards does well by this measure.

I would like to see the article.

[JohnKleeb]

11. I think it could mean legislation supported by the adminstration

I hear 2 of my 3 fave candiates did very well and that one did good, that is I am glad Kucinich and Edwards did well, and I hear Kerry did nicely too. Edwards has been great lately, did well last week and just picked a nice endorsement.

[adadem]

20. As much as I like

Edwards he should correct this statement then and not wait for Kerry to make the correction for him.

[arewethereyet]

12. numbers verified by his own opponents

check this anti Edwards blog. pretty useful if you doubt his democratic voting record

http://www.edwards04.com/

[anti-bush]

13. I think

The New York Post got the numbers wrong. According to the Charlotte Observer he voted against bush 58.7% of the time.

I'll look around to see if I can find their raw numbers.

58.7 percent -- the proportion of time Sen. John Edwards voted against President Bush's agenda, the highest rate among Senate members, according to an analysis by Congressional Quarterly.

[blm]

17. But, Kerry voted against Bush 70% of the time.

Hey, they are ALL better than people think.

If you go by actual GOVERNING records, Dean is the furthest right and closest to Bush on most issues. Even to the right of Lieberman.

[yaledem]

14. Stats:

RALEIGH, NC: Senator John Edwards has stood up to President Bush more often than any other person in the Senate, according to a new analysis by Congressional Quarterly.

Edwards voted against Bush's agenda 58.7 percent of the time, topping Congressional Quarterly's list. Here are the top ranking Senators who vote against Bush and their respective rankings:

•John Edwards (D-NC): 58.7 percent
•Bob Graham(D-Fla.): 58.3 percent
•Jon Corzine (D-NJ): 56.8 percent
•Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ): 56.3 percent
•Barbara Mikulski (D-Md): 56.0 percent
•Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.): 55.6 percent
•Jack Reed (D- RI): 55.2 percent
•Dick Durbin (D-Ill.): 54.5 percent
•Joseph Biden (D-Del.): 54.1 percent
•Tom Harkin (D-Iowa): 54.1 percent
•Paul Sarbanes (D-Md.): 53.9 percent

If anyone has access to CQ, they can do an independent verification of these stats, but I'm sure you'll find them to be correct.

BTW, I don't know what the heck Carol was talking about in the debate. I used to like her, but after this false bash in this debate combined with the packer ban attack in the last one, I'm beginning to wonder if she's in cahoots with another candidate or something.


http://www.johnedwards2004.com/page.asp?id=512

[anti-bush]

15. Thanks for the correct stats n/t

[mbali]

16. I hope CMB blessed out her researcher after the debate

for giving her such screwed up stats and giving Edwards an opening a mile wide to not only reiterate his anti-Bush bonafides but to also make her look ridiculous in the process.

Bad staff work gets them every time.

[AP]

19. You can't harsh on people who work for free

which probably explains why she's not getting good information.

[bearfartinthewoods]

21. begining to wonder? CMB has dean's back..it's been obvious

[mmonk]

18. Edwards is a good candidate

but when I sent letters concerning Iraq, his reply could have easily come from the bush admin. I knew at that standpoint, I would not be supporting his candidacy.

Edwards is a moderate with liberal leanings. But don't look at him as bonified left.