Who had the best one liner in debate?

[angee_is_mad]

I tuned in to the debate kinda late, but I caught Sharpton comment to Dean. As far as race relations are concern it seem like Dean always mention the endorsements he has from some minorities, but his awesome grassroots movement does not reflect minority representation.

I know that there are some minority support for Dean in his organization, but deanies have to admit that this is a weakness of Dean. I know this summer this was a sore point at his meetups, and finding ways to get the African American community involved.

This is what has always bothered me about Dean. He just seems so damn uncomfortable in some environments. I believe he has even acknowledge this at one point. But Al Sharpton sum it all up in a nutshell for me and it happened to be the best one liner in the debate that I heard tonite.

"You only need consigners when you Credit is bad", said Sharpton to Dean about his AA endorsements. Dean, has his work cut out for him or should I say his endorsers have their work cut out for them when they move below the Mason Dixie line. God bless them!!!

[SayitAintSo]

1. I agree .... Dean just lost the South tonight ...

Jumped the shark on race

[tedoll78]

Screw the South.

I say that as a southerner. We could run with Jesus Christ as the VP and we won't win the South.

[SayitAintSo]

7. Screw the south with Dean - I'm more hopeful with others

Like Edwards or Clark. Actually, I'm more hopeful in general. If we take a screw the south position - we never capture the flag.

[Ksec]

16. ditto

screw the south

[arewethereyet]

39. Or we could run a real southerner , Edwards, and give it a fight

and I say that as a southerner too.

Carter and Clinton fared pretty well with their accents. Record is 3 and 1, not shabby.

Northeast liberals ? 1 and how many ? I lost count.

[SayitAintSo]

43. There ya go .....

Don't forget clark ...

[angee_is_mad]

44. lol, you are funny

but with Clark's military background, national security would not be such an issue. Therefore Bush would have to focus on domestic issues then he would be up the creek.

Also imagine a Cheney and Edwards debate. The visuals along would be awesome. Cheney would come out looking like an old angry white man and Edwards would look calm and reasonable.

[ClarkGraham2004]

24. Dean is going to set us back generations in the South

Dean is going to send us back to the Stone Age.

[angee_is_mad]

25. really?

You think he would be that bad? Actually I disagree with you. I do not think Dean will set us back, but he would definitely not push us forward.

I think that when it comes to race Dean has blinders on, unless he is making a speech or in a debate. I strongly feel that he is NOT a racist, I just feel that he does not have a clue.

I know he had a practice in a inner city, but then he took his ass home to Park Ave or wherever. I know about his college roommate, so what? Alot of people do not even communicate with their college roommate and I am sure they didn't discuss race relations.

[ClarkGraham2004]

27. He will set us back because of the perception he will generate.

If Dean is the nominee, it will be years before we ever win the South again, ever. Dean will set us back to the pre-Clinton era for Democrats.

[angee_is_mad]

30. God I hope not

but a Clark/Edward ticket will take care of that.

[ClarkGraham2004]

34. Yes, that is a Rove-nightmare ticket

[angee_is_mad]

37. Well they do not deserve to sleep

we have people down here who are tossing and turning all night trying to figure out ways to save their homes after being laid off from the mills. Theses people are going from making 40,000 a year to working at Walmart.

Let's give them an uneasy night sleep for the next 4 years.

[arewethereyet]

42. not after Rove is done with Clark

and Edwards knows it. He'll never say OK to that, who wants to be a loser ?

[angee_is_mad]

45. Please explain?

Who would be a loser, a Clark/Edward ticket? If this is what you mean I respectfully disagree. I strongly feel that this is the ticket that could take the whitehouse.

[ClarkGraham2004]

46. Why all the Clark hate? Clark-Edwards would be a monster ticket IMO

Anyone who teams with Dean will be a loser.

[angee_is_mad]

51. because they are scared

to death, especially considering some of the nasty things they have done for their candidate and they still lose to Clark!

[Clark4VotingRights]

64. Well, I have to say when it comes to race, Gore has blinders on

And seemed to have them on when blacks were kept from voting in Fla
to steal his (and our) election. He never even acknowledged it.
I don't see how his association with Dean can help to bring in the
AA demographic.

But I'm a white woman so I dunno how AA's feel about Gore's
race relations/voting rights/etc.

[jjmalonejr]

2. I agree with you about the Sharpton dig at Dean.

My favorite one liner.

[hippiechick]

3. Kucinich ... 'maybe he's looking for the WMDs there'

... speaking of Bush wanting to send manned expeditions to Mars.

:hippie:

[angee_is_mad]

14. Dang, I missed that!!!!

[liberalnurse]

26. The best one liner .....they all were taken by surprise...

laughing and in complete agreement....except Lieberman maybe....:)

[angee_is_mad]

28. I hope they replay the debate

I came on in the middle, so I missed Dennis' remark.

[angee_is_mad]

40. I'm watching the replay now

and I caught Dennis' WMD comment.

You go Dennis!!

[mbali]

32. I think that was the best one!

Second best was Sharpton telling Dean "you only need co-signers when your credit's bad."

[Tinoire]

4. Best one-liners? Kucinich and Sharpton

Sharpton's was a little mean but as usual they zing. I would not want him on my bad side.

Kucinich's line about Bush looking for WMDs on Mars was hilarious- the best of the evening I thought.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Totally agree

Both lines were classics and brought a huge reaction from the house.

[Ksec]

5. U cant fix racism by makin white folks feel guilty

true dat

[isbister]

11. Racist white folks should feel guilty

They should be made well aware that their racist actions were wrong, who cares how they feel

[Ksec]

15. slavery was 200 yrs ago

Not that there isnt racism tiday, but lumping all caucasians together and telling them they should feel guilty is preposterous. Its reverse racism at its core.

[angee_is_mad]

18. Who said All white ppl should feel guilty?

about slavery and or racism? Please tell me!

[AP]

29. Why is racism even discussed in terms of how white people FEEL about it?

Racism is a complicated economic, social, historical, cultural set of facts. It has held back everyone in all those aforementioned respects, but in terms of feelings, I don't know how any white person gets off demanding that the debate be organized around how it makes white people feel.

Lets talk about the facts of racism and make it sure it dawns on everyone what a waste it is and how it really diverts the entire progressive project which is to spread economic, cultural and political power as broadly as possible.

[angee_is_mad]

33. Because when Blacks talk about race

they are whining and wanting handouts. That is the perception, that is truly alive in these times that we live in.

If I mention an injustice done to me that is racist, I am trying to cause trouble and bring out the race card to get my way.

Welcome to America!!!!

[AP]

35. That explains why white people hate to hear about how racism makes

black people feel. However, I find it absurb that the debate goes 180 degrees and becomes one about how it makes white people feel.

[angee_is_mad]

38. ditto

[angee_is_mad]

17. same old, same old

[windansea]

8. yep

that one will make the headlines

Dean didn't just jump the shark...he jumped the Megaladon

[kerryistheanswer]

9. Kucinich on Mars and Kerry on Britney Spears

Kerry's was a bit cheesy but brought a smile to my face.

[JI7]

10. part of the problem is the early primary states

don't you think it would be better if one or more states with more minority representation was added to the early primary schedule ? i think the state should still be a small state as i think it's good for candidates to meet as many people as they can. but it would be good to have more diversity also. this would force candidates to deal with the issues just as much as they do with those important to new hampshire and iowa. while they aren't ignoring the issues, i think actually being in contact with minorities would bring a better level of discussion and debate early on. what do you all think ?

[leyton]

12. Yeah,

'twould be good if South Carolina or Washington, D.C. had an early primary.

;-)

[stickdog]

13. Again, what does Sharpton want Dean to do that he's not doing?

It was a cheap attack and a cheap, prepackaged one liner.

Suppose, just suppose (yes, I know the fix is in), Dean actually becomes the nominee.

Are all of you Democrats just loving this zinger then?

[angee_is_mad]

21. yes

I would, because I feel that it is true. But come election time if my candidate isn't the one, I would bite my tongue and pull the lever for whoever is the democratic nominee. It would not be because I love the guy, but because I hate Bush!!!!

It is as simple as that

[KaraokeKarlton]

52. angee, are predominantly black schools where you are underfunded?

I'm guessing they probably are. If Howard Dean had of been your governor, they wouldn't be. Dean is responsible for ACT 60 in Vermont. Act 60 makes wealthy towns help pay for the financial needs of schools in poor towns to ensure educational equality for ALL Vermonters...rich and poor alike.

Are you saying that by embracing these kinds of policies that Dean doesn't "understand" the educational needs of black communities? You really should learn more about the man before being so against him. He'd be wonderful for minorities because he understands that this country belongs to the people...ALL of us, and not big business, special interests and lobbyists.

[angee_is_mad]

54. I have and what I learned

I didn't like, but to each its own.

I respect your choice, but it is not my choice. And because he is not my choice does not mean that I am an uneducated voter. I know his views on issues that he has printed and I know the AA who support and endorse him but I am sure that you were not implying that of course.

[stickdog]

57. I'm not saying he should be your choice or that you are uneducated.

I'm just wondering what he's doing or done wrong in your opinion other than coming from VT.

[WI_DEM]

19. and where is the awesome african american support that

any of the other candidates have. Or even Sharpton? the polls in states like SC which have heavy minority population don't come anywhere near what Jesse Jackson had. Dean is also leading him among African Americans in DC. Where is the grass roots support among minorities with any of the other candidates? It is a problem, imo, for every campaign this election season--not only Dean's.

[angee_is_mad]

22. I agree

but I feel that Edwards and Clark would have an easier time courting the AA vote then Dean. Dean would have to depend on his endorsements to smooth the way for him.

Alot of AA are starting to feel disillusion about the democratic party and are just waiting to see who the nominee is.

[LWolf]

20. Kucinich.

Why is Bush focused on the moon & mars...maybe he thinks he'll find the wmds there.

I believe the rest of the crew loved that one too; the camera caught Edwards busting up. Relatively speaking.

[angee_is_mad]

23. God I hate I missed that!!!!!

[shance]

31. Sharpton cares more about slick grandstanding one liners than the truth

He didnt gave Dean a chance to respond about the people on his staff, where apparently there were Blacks and Hispanics. Not to mention that his Cabinet consists of 6 members, and keep in mind I believe Vermont does not have a large mix of Americans, and its not a large urban state, which usually consists of different cultures and groups. Overall Vermont is pretty Anglo.

It would have been helpful and beneficial for Dean to have more diversity on his Cabinet, however lets look at the fine print Al Sharpton before bellowing and pontificating on your overused race card.

Sharpton hasnt ever governed a state, and from tonights performance and his hard assed Caesarlike approach, I wouldnt want to be living in any state he was ruling. I get the feeling he would indeed RULE.

Perhaps the incident with Tawanna Brawley is more valid than I thought when addressing the race-baiting issues. Who is he to preach to anyone about exploitation of race? I bring that up because of his incessant need to go after Dean tonight. It was unnecessary and almost peculiar. I wonder if it has been true what has been said about Sharpton regarding the Brawley deal. This past incident would certainly support his grandstanding, rather narcissistic tendency.

I wonder what(or who)is motivating him to attack Dean ......

[angee_is_mad]

36. Well we know who you support

and Sharpton mentioned specifically Dean's cabinet!!! Mentioning his staff to answer Sharpton's question is like a white person saying, "I am not prejudice, some of my best friends are black!'

I must mention again I DO NOT think that Dean is racist or prejudice, I just feel that he is totally unaware of minority issues and sensbilities. Race has never been an issue for him until now.

[Red_Storm]

41. Why are people saying it was wrong............

for Rev Sharpton to talk about the FACT that Dean has never hired any blacks or latinos to work in his cabinet all the years he has been Governor of Vermont?....Dean can talk about race but he can't talk about why he hasn't had a black or latino working with him in his cabinet.........Why ?

[angee_is_mad]

47. because he has no excuse

except for stating that the minority population is 2%.

Hell, if we are focus on percentages, what is the percentage of African American in the republican party? I would think that it would be around the same percentage. So how do you explain Powell and Rice. And I am not talking about quotas, but qualified individuals to enhance an organization by bringing diversity.

[Red_Storm]

49. You're right, Dean has no excuse......

Rev Sharpton exposed him tonight......As far as the minority population in Vermont, Sharpton also asked Dean, Couldn't he hire a black or latino from out of state to work in his cabinet?...Well, Couldn't he ?

[Zomby Woof]

48. it was a moment rather than a one-liner

But when Kucinich got out that infmaous pie-chart, the audience howled with delight! :D

He put it to Dean with that one, and when the camera panned backed to DK, he had that chart ready.

I love Dennis - he kicks Dean's ass.

[Red_Storm]

50. Yep, another fine performance by DK tonight..........

the audience responded well to him and I got the sense that they were on his side thruout the debate.....very, very bad night for Dean..........

[angee_is_mad]

53. I agree on both ends

and for all the DK supporters, he is not my guy but he is an awesome dude. I really like him!

[DemBones DemBones]

60. Kucinich had a great moment the other night, too. It was when he

was asked if he could win and he kind of grinned and shrugged his shoulders and said, "Well, if you vote for me, then I can win." Kind of amused that he had to explain this concept to someone. Like, "Well, Duh!"

People know he's real and they know he's right. I'm hoping for him to upset all predictions. :7

Kerry has a good line about actually knowing something about a battleship, too. And at the Linn County Democratic Dinner (Friday night?), he was introduced as someone who "could wear his own uniform on a battleship -- and it would fit!" (Rim shot!)

[mikewriter]

55. DK about Mars and WMD

That one cracked me up and it was so true. Stay out of space. DK impressed me tonight.

[DemBones DemBones]

56. Sharpton's dig at Dean was great! I'm really tired of

the way Dean supporters at DU are always bragging about Dean's fundraising, Meet Up numbers and endorsements. Could we just all go on record as accepting that Dean's fundraising and Meet UP numbers have been phenomenal and he's done very well with endorsements, too -- and then they could stop the boasting? I'm more interested in candidates' positions on issues, and their records, than in how well they're doing at raising money or who's endorsed them.

"Oh, Dean's good on race, he got endorsed by Jesse Jackson, Jr."

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

I have the feeling Dean has never gotten to know any AAs except the famous college roommates. And, to me, specifically requesting black roomies sounds like he wanted to study them. I think that's how I would have felt if I were black and someone wanted to room with me just because of my skin color. As a kid, I lived in a country where blue-eyed blondes like me were rarely seen so I know what it's like to be followed around by strangers who want to touch your hair and your arm, just to see if your hair and skin feel different from theirs. Weird!

I don't think Dean knows anything about the South, either, except from books and movies.

:shrug:

[angee_is_mad]

58. or what he has heard

then he will depend on his black endorsers to go down into the trenches to get the AA votes and make excuses for his record and his comments.

[stickdog]

59. OK. And if Dean always lived with white roommates that would be better?

And if he never mentioned race, that would be better, too?

[DemBones DemBones]

62. I had black friends in college, which was the

first time I was in school with blacks (unless you count the "integrated" school system I attended up North, which I don't because all the black kids were in all-black classes with black teachers while all the white kids were in all-white classes with white teachers! )

I made friends with some black students in college because I was open to meeting people -- all people -- rather than because I was looking to make friends with people just because they were black. I'd already had black, brown, and yellow friends overseas so maybe I had an advantage over someone from Park Avenue and East Hampton.

But Dean is a couple of years younger than I am an went to college in the allegedly more liberal North so I think he could have made friends of different races, too. He could also have gotten to know black people by volunteering for civil rights campaigns, the way Joe Lieberman (a little older than me, another Yalie like Dean) did. Say what you will about Lieberman, it wasn't terribly safe to be a white Yankee civil rights worker in the South in the Sixties but he did it. He mentioned tonight being at MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech in Washington.

It strikes me as strange to request roommates of another race in order to get to know people of another race. But maybe he'd be more clueless if he'd only had white roommates. Still, why should black students have to educate white roomies?

I never said it would be better if he didn't talk about race. But you knew that.

I am thinking of the story about the doctor who was asked to talk to the PTA about sex, though. ;-)

[sandnsea]

63. They paid Meetup

That's how they got a jump start on email fundraising. When people went to Meetup to sign up, the Dean campaign bought the email lists. That gave Meetup more money to advertise and expand and attract more people to Meetup instead of a political meeting, etc.

It just bugs me because I have never noticed a disclaimer that my name was being sold to a political campaign when I signed up.

[jsw_81]

61. Kucinich

I've been critical of him in the past, but his line about Bush looking for WMD's on Mars was absolutely hilarious.

[Clark Can WIN]

65. Kucinich's comment about WMD on Mars........

Hands down. That was fantastic.