Brad Carson of Oklahoma breaks from Democrat Party

[yelladawg]

Brad Carson in his recent TV ads exclaims how he has broken away the Democratic Party and is now a member of the Oklahoma Party.

This guy is the future Zell Miller.

[9119495]

1. Nah, just let him get elected. Our caucus will bring him in.

It's beginning to look more likely that dems will control the senate. If he wants a chair of a committee someday, he'll fall in line. It should be a shock that a dem can win in OK. Carson will be way better than the other guy.

[yelladawg]

2. Carson is turning off many yellow dog Demcorats

At the peace demonstration in Tulsa this weekend, every person there said they will leave the US Senate ballot blank. Carson's recent statements are even more far right than Coburn, the repug in the race.

[geek tragedy]

7. Then the folks attending the peace demonstration are idiots.

Carson is much more reasonable, sane, and progressive than Dr. Mengele Coburn.

This kind of stupidity costs the Democrats plenty of elections.

Carson is a Democrat and much less rightwing than Coburn.

Is he too conservative for you? If so, you should probably move out of fucking Oklahoma.

[IIgnoreNobody]

12. What a shallow understanding of our political system they must have

[NoBorders]

3. when I saw him on Russert, I thought he was coburn

I'd never seen them. I flipped on the show, and carson was there talking about his views, and I assumed he was coburn because his views were conservative. then I find out it was carson, and i couldn't believe he was a democrat. I"m not sure what makes him a democrat, but if he wants to call himself that and give us control of the commmittees, fine with me.

[yelladawg]

4. Carson will switch parties

The big story out here in Eastern Oklahoma is that Carson will switch parties if elected.

Remember, he has been invited to the Oval Office by Bush more than any Democrat over the past 4 years.

[geek tragedy]

9. And who would gain from spreading such rumors and spreading them?

Not Democrats or progressives of any kind.

Hmmmmmm.

[Cats Against Frist]

30. You think the GOP pigs ran him as a dem on purpose?

I've been waiting for something like this to happen.

[yelladawg]

31. It's well known

It's well known Newt ran "blockers" who were repugs registered as Democrats in races where the Demcorats would be forced to spend a ton of money to get their guy elected. This freed up money for the repugs to spend in tight races for their repug candidate.

Yes, it would not surprise me to see Brad Carson as a blocker.

Just look at who gave him money to start four years ago. Big Oil.

[Z_I_Peevey]

32. From the horse's mouth

http://www.bradcarson.com/newsroom/archives/000295.php

"Carson also answered a question put out by one of his Democratic Primary opponents and said he definitely has no plans to switch to the Republican Party.

"I'm proud to carry the banner of the Democratic party," said Carson, who mentioned former U.S. House Speaker Carl Albert and former U.S. Sen. Robert Kerr as among the state's great Democrats."

[Timefortruth]

52. That Eastern Oklahoma story was started by you.

There is no real rumor. Carson's rhetoric is as frustrating to me as anyone, but it is what he has to do to get elected.

It is truly ironic that you spend so much effort to defeat Carson when a liberal candidate wouldn't have a shot. The logical conclusion of your position is that either a candidate agrees with you or the Republican should win.

You would be shocked to learn that other Democrats in Eastern Oklahoma are subjected to exactly this same kind of vitriol by self-proclaimed representatives of Veterans. These Democratic impostors attack, attack, attack if their every whim is not addressed perfectly. The impostors claim that they support the party but cannot identify a single person in it they support.

The candidates subjected to this smear will win, and the imposter's will continue to whine. They don't care about the future, they only care about defeating Democrats, with the exception of the theoretical Democrat they would support.

[yelladawg]

53. Well lets see now

Veterans I work with are working with Joe Dorman, Harvey Swift, Mitch Garrett, Doug Dodd, Ms. Taylor, Dan Boren. There are some in OKC that I don't remember their names, but I'll gladly get back to you with those.

[illuminaughty]

45. My thoughts exactly

I was watching that show while doing other things and I thought I was losing my mind (well) Anyway, I could not figure out who the Democrat was. That race really is the lesser of two evils.

[troublemaker]

5. there is NO SUCH FUCKING THING AS THE "DEMOCRAT" PARTY

Get it straight.

[AnnInLa]

10. you could be a little more understanding about

people saying the "Democrat Party." I have been reprimanded about this as well. In certain parts of this country (I am in Cajun-land) this phrase is used in idiomatic speech and is accepted. I know it is supposed to be a demeaning term, but local usage is not necessarily demeaning. There have been many, many terms used incorrectly here in posts, but what people are doing are showing their zeal and concern, not necessarily watching their grammar, spelling or usage.

[ibegurpard]

33. Maybe

but in this case the usage of "Democrat" as an adjective is a deliberate attempt by the Republicans to control language and cannot be allowed to persist. That is why this ALWAYS needs to be corrected.

[geek tragedy]

6. You're helping Karl Rove by posting this garbage

Only a conservative Democrat is going to get elected from Oklahoma.

Kos has championed this guy. Good enough for me.

Carson is not a Zell out. He's more conservative than 99% of the people here--but he has to be to win.

Moreover, Coburn is a Nazi Mengele-type. Attila the Hun would be preferable to that guy.

Those people leaving their ballots blank in the Senate race are goddamn fools.

With Dems like you, Karl Rove doesn't need much Republican help in Oklahoma.

[beyurslf]

8. I am a liberal Dem in KS and even I know that a Dem has to be conservative

to get elected out here. If we only want Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi liberals in Congress we better plan on being the minority for a VERY long time.

[deckerd]

48. There's conservative and then there's conservative

What I have heard from Carson and some of the statements made by
Salazar I would characterize as pandering to the fascist right wing.

If they're trying to be populist, they're failing.

Calling Coors a friend of Osama Bin Laden because he opposes the Death Penalty, for example.

Kennedy and Pelosi certainly aren't populists. Their liberalism ceased to provide them with an alternative guiding light ages ago, leaving people like Dean to be shot down while attempting to pick up the pieces.

What we have out there in the heartland is simply a different breed
of conservatism masquerading as an alternative.

Kerry seems to be trying to negotiate this minefield but these Blue Dog Dems are most definitely trying to reposition the national party as the "new" conservative party.

So we'll have a party of Radical Republicans vs. a party of conservative establishmentarians, just like we did in the late 1800s and early 1900s.

[chaumont58]

11. Still, think of politics as the art of the possible

A liberal is not going to be elected in Oklahoma, period. It just aint't gonna happen. If this race looks like having to choose between to less than atractive candidate, then do the adult thing and choose which one is better for yourself. I believe any Democrat is a better chose than any repuke. He doesn't have to be excellent. Just better than the repuke.
I don't think Carson could be elected as a Dem in California, but neither of my senators(Boxer or Feinstein) could be elected in Oklahoma. Coburn probably is too far right to even run in California or Maine or Rhode Island. But, in Oklahoma, he is
close to the norm.
DUers should understand something about Oklahoma. But for the First Amendment, Oklahoma would have a state government sponsor religion. Elmer Gantry would have loved Oklahoma.

[yelladawg]

13. How about Mike Synar?

Mike Synar held on to CD2 in Oklahoma for 16 years and was one of the biggest liberals within the Democratic Party.

Brad Carson when running for CD 2 in 2000 said, "I will vote just like Mike Syanr". He lied.

[geek tragedy]

14. That's not the entire state of OK

But, if you want Dr. Death as your senator, keep this up. You're doing plenty to help Coburn with this crap.

[chaumont58]

18. Wasn't Mike Synar the guy repukes used morphing ads on?

Wasn't he beat in '94? And I seem to remember Clinton speaking at his funeral. I don't understand what kind of example Mike Synar would be.
I was born in Oklahoma many, many years ago. My family left during WW II. We were not part of the Joad migration. I have never been back, but I do have distant relatives there. A cousin died several years ago and his daughter wrote his obituary for the local newspaper. It was like reading a Christian missive, not something one would read in the L.A. Times.
Bartcop used to refer to Tulsa as K-Drag, standing, I believe for knuckle drag. I say used to because I have not read Bartcop for a while.
I live in California, but contributed to Stephanie Herst campaign in South Dakota. After winning the election, she came out for the DMA. I understand that can be just politics. It could be she believes gays should not get married, but it also could be that she fears it being used against her in conservative South Dakota. Having a Dem in that Congressional seat is preferable to any god damn repuke. Unless she comes out for capital punishment for homosexuality, I going to take her stand with a grain of salt. She don't have to be perfect, just better than the repuke.

[BootinUp]

15. Be nice to see his actual statement n/t

[yelladawg]

16. The money could have been spent on a better candidate

Over 3 million has come into Oklahoma for Brad Carson. That money could have been spent on a candidate that supports the Democratic Party Platform.

One more Carson quote,"There is no Demcorat member in Congress today who supports President Bush more than I".

[geek tragedy]

17. And that candidate would have lost.

Do you want Tom Coburn to win? Yes or no will suffice.

[Secular-Tool]

19. Coburn is bad for OK and bad for America

Mark my vote no for Coburn.

When Carson ran for OK's 2nd district, he ran as a fairly centrist Democrat. His platform was fairly consistent with 90% of the other Democrats in the House.

Senator is a whole other ballgame.

He's taking Don Nickels seat. He's running in not the most liberal district but the whole freakin' backwards assed state.

The fact that he's the front runner in this race against COburn say a lot for the skills of his campaign team. Even a conservative democrat--and he is no Zell Miller--is better than Tom Coburn.

I am a life long Oklahoman and Carson is just about the brightest hope we have for a non-repo future.

[yelladawg]

20. Your Answer

"No"

[okieinpain]

21. let him do his thing. we need this seat bad. this is a good

strategy, in those states that are ultra repug, run a repug, against the repugs. at least this way we can get control away from the repugs.

[w4rma]

22. Democratic Party. Democratic is an adjective. Democrat is a noun. (nt)

[Redbear]

23. This sounds like a Republican tactic. Carson is clearly a Democrat.

Brad Carson's ADA voting record is 65%.

Zell Miller's is 0%

What he actually said was that if he had to choose he would vote for the interests of his constituents over the interests of his party. A statement with which almost all Senators of both parties would agree.

[69KV]

38. Yep

Brad Carson's AFL-CIO scores run in the 60-70% range. Zell Miller's AFL-CIO score is 8%.

Here's another one, Brad Carson's scores from Population Connection/Zero Population Growth: 71% in the 107th, 75% in the 108th. Zell Miller: 0% in the 107th, 0% in the 108th.

Carson may be conservative on some social issues - guns definitely, abortion definitely not looking at his good ZPG ratings. On economic issues where it really counts, he's one of us.

Brad Carson is not even in the same ballpark as Zell The Traitor Miller. Carson is a real Democrat and I'm proud to have sent him a campaign donation along with about 15 other Democrats this year.

[JCMach1]

39. Exactly, don't believe this garbage

Carson is a foreign policy hawk and an economic progressive...

That is virtually the only way he could win election in OK...

Even against an insane opponent... OK is notorious for electing the WORST representatives in the whole darn country...

[WI_DEM]

24. I'm sure he will be very much to the right of the Senate dem caucus

to survive in Oklahoma. I hope he won't be a Zell though.

[Thrill]

25. Who cares if it

gets us control

[yelladawg]

26. Are you so sure?

"I have visited the Oval Office at President Bush's invitation more than any other Democrat for the past four years"

Brad Carson 09/2004 Hugo Oklahoma

"There is no Democrat in Congress today who supports President Bush more than I"

Brad Carson 02/2004 Tulsa Oklahoma

[Thrill]

28. Better than

having a Republican have the seat. Whatever gets us control.

[ShaneGR]

27. Uh no, it's impossible to elect a liberal Dem in Oklahoma

He's just doing what it takes to get elected, giving us another seat in the Senate.

[yelladawg]

29. He will turn on us

He will turn on us as he turned on the voters of OKlahoma CD2.

[cmayer]

34. No ad like that on his Web site.

Has anyone else seen the ad?

[cmayer]

35. OK, I think I just got it.

I would guess that Yelladawg is refering to the "Stilwell" commercial.

If anybody wants to comment, go take a look at the ad first, and decide for yourself.

And by the way, look at the other ads too.

http://www.bradcarson.com/#

[yelladawg]

36. He does not have that ad on his site

He does not have that ad on his site, but the messages boards in Oklahoma are on fire about it.

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[Cleopatra2a]

37. hate that commercial

His wife says that coburn called her husband evil and a liberal. She doesn't know which is worse. what is wrong with being liberal?

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[RummyTheDummy]

42. You're absolutely right

And it's nice to see so many on this thread giving him shit over it. He hates every person on your list and Drew Edmondson. He tried to smear Carson earlier over not meeting with his "veterans" group.

Sounds like a Rovian set up if there ever was one.

[yelladawg]

43. I'll stand behind what I have posted

I'll stand behind what I have posted. It's the truth.

And the list is wrong.

[RummyTheDummy]

44. Okay.

Fine. Cool. Groovy. Now go vote for Coburn and get it over with. Or don't vote. Vote for Carson. Vote for someone else on the ballot. Whatever. We get your point. Message received.

Just shut up about it.

[yelladawg]

47. Carson will not help

If Carson wins, do you think the Democrats in the Senate will thank the people of Oklahoma for sending a fraud from the Oklahoma Party to be in their ranks? Do you think Senate Democrats will trust Carson and give him things that will be good for the people of Oklahoma? Don’t count on it.

[Timefortruth]

54. He does this with every single Democrat that has a prayer.

There is no use trying to argue, although I can't help myself at times either.

The bottom line is that he says he volunteers for the Democrats but spends an enormous amount of energy trying to get people not to vote for them. Go figure.

[yelladawg]

55. You give me way too much credit

You make it out that I can influence elections. No way. I'm just an old fat guy who loves to help Democrat candidates.

[illuminaughty]

46. Please correct me if wrong

Isn't Coburn the "Dr." who sterilized a woman without her consent?

How is it that the Democrats' skeltons in their closets are of a sexual nature and they are brought down as if they were murderers but Republicans can run someone like Mengele Jr. and, well, no big deal?

[bobbyboucher]

49. "Democrat Party"? Who are they? SQUAAAAAAAK.

You just parroted one of the most notorious RW dipshitspeak terms. Was that an accident?

[sampsonblk]

50. Conservative is fine, pro-Republican is not

Reading this thread, I see a lot of people saying that he has to be conservative to win in Oklahoma. So what? I have no problem with conservative thinking. But if that translates into being anti-Dem or pro-GOP then I have a big problem with that.

And there are plenty of ways for a candidate to run as a conservative without actively campaigning against our party in order to win.

[DemFromMem]

51. We need to control the Senate

I don't care if Carson IS like Zell Miller. If he is part of the Democratic Party and we take control over the Senate, then we get the committee chairmanships. That would be HUGE. That's where all the power is in Congress. Carson can vote with the Republicans if he wants, but the committee chairs control what gets voted on.