"If we weren't fighting them there, we'd be fighting them here."

[mzmolly]

How the F*ck do Bush and his "followers" reconcile this statement with the ol' "Liberating the people of Iraq" BS? ... Since when has starting a friggen terroristic quagmire in a country been considered "liberation" ???

Edited to add this must see short film:

http://www.secondterm.us/liberation.html

:grr:

Any questions for Mr. Bush? Here's one from me.

"How do the people we supposedly went to liberate feel Mr. Bush when they hear you say that you'd rather the Terrorists were infiltrating Iraq and this war was killing their children?"

I would like to think of a good one liner for Kerry to address this at the next debate.

*Thanks to realfedup for linking www.secondterm.us

[whistle]

1. "Free Iraq, enslave America"

[teamster633]

26. As much as I hate to give them credit...

...they've come up with a winner there. Not that there's a grain of truth to it but as cowardly as this crowd is there's one thing that they have no fear of and that's of lying. And unfortunately, there's no shortage of gullible people in this country just waiting to swallow their lies. When you factor in how the repugs have somehow convinced a large number of insecure individuals that their party is the party of "strength"; that being a repug is a sign of masculinity; it safely inoculates these individuals from the truth. Just a couple of weeks ago I heard two union brothers spouting this very meme in our shop. They seemed oblivious to the fact that this administration has sought to undermine the very foundation of their way of life. They were so oblivious that they thought they were going to convince the rest of us to adopt their ill-considered positions. After trying without success to assure them that * might as well have painted a target on every one of our foreheads when he invaded Iraq, I left.

Certainly, they represent only a small contingent of our shop, let alone of organized labor, but it's frightening that any of us can be brainwashed to the extent that we'd vote against our own best interests in some misguided effort to shore up our own masculinity or to gain some imagined level of security.

[karlrschneider]

42. Don't give up on 'em. BTW, your Abby looks a lot like my niece Abby!

:D

[PartyPooper]

2. Liberation doesn't mean occupation.

Except in the case of Bu$h it does. As someone else pointed out on another thread, we're not building 14 permanent bases in Iraq for exercise. We plan to be there for a long, long time.

:eyes:

[Southern Patriot]

17. They'll be the forward bases for invading Iran. nfm

nfm

[Wright Patman]

3. Which Muslim country has a navy

and/or air force with which to project power such that the North American continent could be invaded by one of its armies?

(Sound of crickets chirping)

[mzmolly]

5. Exactly, the statement is a total crock in the first friggen place.

So were gonna let Terrorist paratroopers invade the US if we don't fight in Iraq? :eyes:

[evilqueen]

13. Actually, they're already here.

The fundamentalists are right here in America, both Muslim and Christian. The FBI files are, I'm sure, full of dossiers... how else would they have had all the hijackers names right after 9/11? That in itself is an interesting line of inquiry because it wasn't just airplane manifests.

[mzmolly]

22. True. They're here but not in the numbers that they are in Iraq.

:(

[BamaLefty]

4. Classic GOP Smoke And Mirrors

:wtf:

[xxqqqzme]

6. well, obviously he DIDN'T

fight them here because the US was attacked on his watch & NOT by Iraqis.

[Paradise]

7. if only kerry had said that!!! nt

[high density]

8. This is one of Bush's craziest lines

It's just one of his two dozen+ reasons for going to war at this point. It makes no sense, yes, but it's a reason nonetheless.

[mzmolly]

12. It makes no sense and his "zombies" dare to repeat it.

:hi:

[Wind Dancer]

9. That comment is such an insult to our intelligence

but most of all the innocent Iraqi people. I cringe everytime I hear the chimp say that - :puke:

Kerry has so much ammunition to use against *, let's hope we hear more "one-line slam dunks" soon.

[stellanoir]

10. repeat after me

bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli, bogus casus belli. . .

In my lifetime, we've had a president resign due to a third rate burglary, and a president almost impeached because of a spurious consensual semi sexual encounter-and the girl wasn't complaining.

This wacko invades a sovereign nation based on bad intell (sheer stupidity), kills countless innocent Iraqis, well over a thousand American soldiers, wounds innumerable others, alienates our allies, trashes our treaties, and enrages the entire Muslim world and he has the audacity to run for reelection. . .?

How can this be?

Sorry I'm just so pissed off.

end rant

[mzmolly]

11. I agree, it's like the US has gone MAD! What's in the frikken water man?

:crazy:

[stellanoir]

15. dumbed down electorate due to

lottsa psychotropic medication, reality TV, complicit corporately controlled media, rampant narcisicm, this list goes on, and on. . .

[mzmolly]

18. Indeed. Not to mention the psychological abuse perpetrated by * and his

gestapo.

"ORANGE ALERT! ORANGE ALERT!"

[evilqueen]

14. Republican majority in House, Senate, Supreme Court.

An impeachment would never get through that, even if our side could manage to get a few senators and representatives from the right side of the aisle to sign on.

[NightOwwl]

16. Excuses, excuses. That's all they have.

Has any journalist ever asked Bush "When you say it's better fighting terrorists there (which by the way only became a haven for terrorists after you invaded Iraq), does that mean the deaths of innocent Iraqi citizens is worth less than American lives?

[mzmolly]

20. Journalists?

There are so few left in the US today. :(

[SoCalDemocrat]

19. We need to break this apart

This sound bite plays well with the right. Every Republican I know mouths this off to me whenever the subject of the war comes up. It's rediculous and our party should be able to dismiss it.

[mzmolly]

21. I agree, a counter soundbite would be nice. I'm having trouble

coming up with one. As you know the R's are ALL soundbites and black/white thinking.

How bout this question: "how do the people we went to liberate feel about that?"

[Wind Dancer]

23. I like that, simple and to the point!

"how do the people we went to liberate feel about that?"

[mzmolly]

24. Thanks.

:hi:

[gulliver]

28. If we weren't wasting our time on Iraq, we could be fighting terrorism.

[mzmolly]

38. Here here!

:toast:

[Wind Dancer]

25. This is a powerful description of how we are liberating Iraq.

This is a massacre, not a war in Iraq. The U.S. bombing Samarra, Fallujah, Baghdad and other cities, killing hundreds of civilians and calling them terrorists is like the massacres of the Native Americans during America's push westward.
In this case, it has to do with America's push eastward.

What is also troubling is that no major media outlet, no major politician--none are calling this what it is, an immoral, unmitigated killing of hundreds of Iraqi civilians every week.

Those who are experts in Arabic have claimed for months that the man alleged to be Zarqawi is not really Zarqawi because he does not have the real Zarqawi's Jordanian accent. But, the American military, we are positive by now, has created this mythical Zarqawi to allow it to mercilessly attack Fallujah and punish its inhabitants because they withstood the American ground attack and chased the Americans out. Even today, the Fallujhans have said aloud to Al Jazeera and other outlets, that they will come out into the streets and fight the Americans--but our country, America, is immoral and cowardly, every day attacking Fallujah by F16, Apache and long range cannon fire. In the process, killing hundreds of civilians, but as in the Viet Nam war, saying, "It's just collateral damage and we are not responsible for that."

snip

It is time for Americans to speak up to stop this massacre.
We are killing Iraqis in the name of "Freedom" and "Democracy!"
How absurd, must we kill the Iraqis to "save them". This sounds almost like the old Salem Witch Trials, where they put people to death in order to save them. But it also smells of the aforementioned slaughter of the Native Americans by the jolly good American cavalry--ironically, it's the same cavalry that is repeating its deeds 200 years later, but this time against Iraqis. For shame.

snip

http://www.todaysalternativenews.com/index.php?event=li... <0>=&values<1>=1933

[mzmolly]

27. I'm so ashamed of my country.

Thanks for the article. It's interesting to compare the slaughter of Native Americans to the slaughter of the Iraqis.

I believe Bush watches to many "westerns" and lives partially in that fantasy world along with many aMerikunz.

[Wind Dancer]

29. I am ashamed too!

This is one of the most heartbreaking descriptions of what we are doing to innocent people. They want to live in a safe environment, go to work, raise their kids and live in peace. This keeps me awake at night - I am appalled at the number of people in this country who are oblivious to the horror we are causing these innocent people.

This administration is incapable of compassion or empathy. We have a bunch of sociopaths running the country who don't give a rat's ass about anybody, the power and greed are more important. God help us!

:cry:

[teamster633]

30. "In a world where people have problems...

In this world,
where decisions are a way of life.
Other people's problems,
they're overwhelmed by mine.
They say compassion is a virtue,
but I don't have the time."

[Wind Dancer]

32. So true, 26yrTeamster,

Love your website, the pictures are beautiful.

[mzmolly]

34. You are so right. I lay awake as well Frustrateddem.

:cry:

They are sociopaths ... God help us indeed!

[0007]

31. The two videos were excellent.

I haven't heard much about the protection from prescription drugs from Canada thingie either.

But there are volumes about how junior was wired. What gives????

[seabeyond]

33. whenever i hear this i say, what cowards we are

the arrogance of that statement. totally non christian, let other innocent die, who cares, as long as we are safe. we have no grander responsibility

[mzmolly]

35. Exactly. It's the "terrorist" mentality here in the good ol US of A.

Our pResident is A TERRORIST!

[DoYouEverWonder]

43. That is the only reason why there hasn't been another attack

on US soil. Because al Qaeda did not do 9-11. If they did they would have attacked again by now.

9-11 was a MIHOP event. We will not have another 9-11 type event, until Bush & Co need another one.

[rndmprsn]

36. I never thought it was an either/or situation

we will have to fight them here and there...their nice little catch-phrase does two things...its a way for them to justify not funding homeland security properly as well as a blank check for endless war.

[0rganism]

37. One may conclude ANYTHING from a false premise

If 1+1=3, then 10-5=0
If black were white, then red would be blue
If I were a farmer, then I'd be a millionaire
If gas were cheaper, then I'd drive a Lamborghini
If we weren't fighting them there, then OB-GYNs would be able to practice their love

etcetera

The conclusion can be every bit as fantastic as the premise. They need not have anything to do with each other.

If unicorns were real, the tooth fairy would ride one
If the world were flat and rubbery, it would make a helluva trampoline
If the universe were only 6000 years old, humans would have coexisted with dinosaurs

Just tell them, "if we weren't fighting them there, then humans would find a way to peacefully coexist."

[mzmolly]

39. "If unicorns were real, the tooth fairy would ride one."

I like that comeback. :hi:

[Cha]

40. Especially since it's such a stupid

non-sensical thing to say in the First Damn place..bush will say anything to try and take the Heat off of his Huge Lies and Missteps every step of the Damn way!!

[mzmolly]

41. It sure is stupid! I can't believe anyone would repeat it, but they do.

:hi:

[alteredstate]

44. kick!

:)