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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:47 PM
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Suggestion on how Kerry can get W to implode in the next debate
and its a two-fer (2 for 1).

In the last debate one of the dodges bush gave to the "name three mistakes" was to state (at least two times in his answer) that historians will some day cite mistakes, and that he, Bushjr, will accept responsibility for those (as that is what Presidents do, says he).

So at the appropriate time in the discussion, Kerry should pull out some historian's critique on Bush1 policy (and tie it to bush2 so that the comment doesn't seem so off the wall.)

Bush - has thin skin. Bush also has a wierd relationship with poppy that seems mired in competition (ala he has to be better than poppy) but also deeply loyal and virulently angry when anyone criticizes pops.

I was wrong its a three-fer...

1. Will demonstrate that bush won't accept historians claims of mistakes.

2. Will bring out the inner bully/petulant brat in bush.

3. Tie junior to one (of many) poor policies of the unpopular (and not reelected) poppy.

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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:52 PM
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1. Compare W to his father....
that would probably push him over the edge.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:55 PM
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2. but add an insult to that tying together
and he is likely to bust a vein. Would make his lunging at the moderator look downright temporate.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:57 PM
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4. it was visible in the first debate
his agitation was most noticable to me when Kerry brought up Poppy.

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:06 PM
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11. ooh.... here is one
tying the impending problems with the pension/guarantee fund (don't recall the title) and a potential future collapse that will result either in a MASSIVE government bailout or a huge number of americans being left high and dry...

make the comparisons to Bush1 and the S&L Bailout... that because corrective action was NOT taken before the collapses... many people made tons of money at S&Ls like Silverado... before the collapses and it required a HUGE amount of taxpayer money to ensure that hundreds of thousands (millions?) of americans didn't lose their lives savings...

Tie it all together with the current crises problem - and the neglect in dealing with the problem as ignoring it helps wealthy cronies... the similarities (and the reminder of the corruption ala niel) is... bound to get a response from georgejr.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:59 PM
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71. S&L Crisis Involved Neal Bush Too!
The whole Bush clan gets very upset when you mention Neal and the S&L debacle.

It was beautiful when Kerry quoted GHW Bush in the first debate.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:17 PM
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17. Bush apparently hates his father, & can't stand to be unfavorable compared
So yes, talk constantly about the great diplomatic skills and world vision of Bush 1 and denigrate Bush 2 for not displaying his father's strengths.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:51 PM
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76. * hates his dad? How do you know this?
I think I read somewhere that * had a yelling-match with his dad when he was younger, but frankly... many young men do the same thing.

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:28 PM
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79. You need to go back and read that crazy Maureen Dowd.
She likes to put them "on the couch" in her columns. As she said, there's something very strange about a president who goes to war in Iraq NEVER consulting the only other president to go to war with Iraq, a president who is also his father.

Also, in Woodward's book, * said that he didn't consult his father, but was relying on a higher father. Creepy.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:35 AM
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91. The new book "Chirac vs. Bush: The Other War"
says that Chirac frequently brought up Bush Sr. in discussions with Shrub. Chirac genuinely liked Bush's father and thought he was being complimentary -- even after Junior's handlers asked him to knock it off.

Bush hates to be compared to his Daddy, which is why Kerry should do it. Not just to make Junior uncomfortable, however; I've met a lot of people who voted for Bush Sr. but who say they simply can't support his boy. I think there are votes to be gained from independent voters.
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michigandem2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:11 PM
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30. I agree I noticed the same thing..this will drive * crazy
he should find a way to compare him to 41...
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baltodemvet Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:50 PM
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56. Absolutely
The twit can't stand that.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:57 PM
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3. Dig up something Barbara has said about Jr.
she has a nasty way with a backhanded compliment.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:39 PM
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59. Or about her not knowing how to cook anything except tv dinners?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:58 PM
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5. talk to George like his father would
Tweaking George to elicit that disrespectful, defensive, rude and whining son in him works pretty well.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:58 PM
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6. Kerry should whisper in his ear
when they shake hands, "Hey, Temporary I heard they found Bob Stevens pictures."

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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:02 PM
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8. being dense here... but,
what are the Bob Stevens pictures?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:11 PM
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13. I think Bob Stevens was the 1st anthrax victim
A publisher for a tabloid, he had some incriminating photos.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
33. I think you're correct. nt
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endnote Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
62. So, you think the Anthrax to the Senate was just
a diversion...
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:38 PM
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70. They were hoping for Bonus Points
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jkbsun Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. my guess as no one answered you
is the guy in the kitty kelly book bush suposedly has man sex with
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:17 PM
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haven't read the book - but there has long been speculation
about Victor Ashe (former buddy at Yale, former mayor in Tennessee, and now a bush appointed ambassador). I think that the anthrax reference makes sense. But bush is so slow I don't know that he would get the allusion.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:09 PM
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29. But But Victor Ashe Is The Ambassador To Poland
Remember....."He forgot Poland!" Now Bush would not forget this. Why the Poland hysteria? Victor Ashe.
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ncrainbowgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #29
52. Oh my god, it all makes sense now. Thank you.
I won't forget poland again.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #29
67. Hmmmmm
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 05:10 PM by 0007
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:01 PM
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26. Hi jkbsun!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:17 PM
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35. Bob Stevens is the photographer from the National Enquirer
that died from anthrax poisoning. He is the person who took the famous picture of Jenna Bush on top of another girl on the barroom floor.

According to the legend, Stevens also had pictures of Bush from his Skull and Bones initiation ritual.

'Temporary' was Bush's Skull and Bones nickname.

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:02 PM
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84. Better whisper:
"I have proof about Margie Schoedinger."
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:59 PM
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7. John Kerry should ask him about his college years and "military career"
as cited by Kitty Kelley in her new book, "The Family."

That might get Junior a little riled, eh?

:D
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:08 PM
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47. And when he mentions his "military career" follow it by saying
"you can run, but you cannot hide." Would push the little pecker right over the edge.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:40 PM
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60. But gw* will counter that he doesn't read newspapers or books
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gmaki Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:03 PM
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9. Mention the earpiece story
of course only mention it as a wild story, and wonder aloud why so many people find it easy to believe.
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Radio-Active Donating Member (735 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:04 PM
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10. "he says he's not going to raise your taxes
just like his father did."
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:06 PM
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12. hehe - excellent one.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #12
34. icing on the cake if he said "Read his lips".
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:11 PM
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14. "Just what is it you guys have against the poor, anyway?"
I mean really. Everything you do is skewed toward helping the rich. Sure, you can call them the investor class and claim up and down that they're the ones who keep the economy going, but the truth is that they're doing fine. Until the unfortunate are taken care of, it's not the time to help us rich folk get richer and richer. It also doesn't work: poor people are a drain on the economy. You want them working, making money and buying things, not clogging emergency rooms.

What's the matter with overtime? Why do you ritualistically recind all protections for the working poor? What's your problem?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:16 PM
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16. oh... then tie the whole thing in a bow
with rhetoric from Poppy that played to the perception that he was out of touch with regular people (the old grocery scanner...)

First hits the reminders of real issues for the public to hear... then ties him to poppy rhetoric and criticism - he doesn't care enough about the issues to blow a gasket over such criticism... unless it gets personal (eg ties him to pops)
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:28 PM
Response to Reply #14
80. ding ding ding ding
Very good.
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:09 PM
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85. Or--Just what is it that you guys have against democracy?
That's been my meme for a while

2000--stolen election
2002--BBV and further stolen elections
Redistricting in Texas etc.
Glenda Hood of Florida
Afghanistan = Kabul
Iraq = appointed lackeys

What DO the Republicans have against Democracy?
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:17 PM
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18. How does Martha's conviction effect George?
Harkening Back To The Old Days:
A Chronological Look At Bush's Little Problem

Back when George W. Bush's political career was just a twinkle in his father's eye, the future president found himself under investigation by the SEC for alleged insider trading of Harken energy stock. Bush has already survived a presidential election and two gubernatorial elections without having Harken develop into a serious political headache....

Bush's Harken stint has already survived the scrutiny of two gubernatorial campaigns and a presidential campaign. So why revive it now - were Democratic campaign strategists napping on the job all these years? Possibly, but not necessarily. The SEC did investigate the matter and closed the case back in 1993 with no action against Bush. Still, Democrats maintain that the SEC did not go so far as to specifically exonerate Bush of any wrongdoing in the matter - which paved the way for them to revive the issue as soon as the current crop of corporate scandals struck.

evote.comquotes

"I just think he ought to put the material out. I think that's the best way to proceed. Look, he made a good speech and he asked people to do things that sometimes people don't want to do. You know, Harry Truman used to say leadership is getting people to do things they don't want to do. Well, to get people to do that, you have got to be straightforward with people and put everything out so that there is no question being what the leader did." - House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt


"As to why the Form 4 was late, I still haven't figured it out completely. But nevertheless, the SEC fully looked into the matter. They looked at all aspects of it, and they did so in a very thorough way. And the people that looked into it said there is no case. And that was the case in the early '90s; it was the case in the '94 campaign, it was the case in the '98 campaign. The same thing happened in the 2000 campaign. I guess we're going to have to go through this again in the 2002 campaign. But nothing has changed." - President Bush, July 8, 2002

more




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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:28 PM
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21. Kerry needs to shake his hand at the beginning and with his
other hand he should rub George's back in a friendly of "let's get this started" gesture but as if he is checking for recording devices. Just a little mind f**k, he won't find anything but it will open up the talk to speculation and Georgie will have to spend the debate trying to think how he will counter whatever Kerry might says about it during the debate or afterward. Kerry will never have to mention it but you can bet the news pundits will wonder and ask. Kerry will probably be asked about it and Bushy will have to go on defensive saying nothing was there. Again, just mess with his mind - go for your opponent's weakest front. To tweak an old saying - Poor BoyGeorge is going into a battle of wits unarmed.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #21
61. That would be good... LOL
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ninainsf Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:21 PM
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19. Discuss MORALS and VALUES
It really pisses me off that the Republicans think these words belong to them, and the Dems do NOTHING ABOUT IT. It would be so easy to demonstrate how Bush's policies are highly IMMORAL. And if we want to talk about FAMILY VALUES, well, it wouldn't be difficult to point out all the Bush failures here either. Bush thinks he owns these words and noone can take them away. His constituency thinks he owns these words. It would be so easy for Kerry.
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mia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:27 PM
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20. Speak to those who cherish the natural environment...
hunters, fishermen, hikers, campers, farmers...

Ask * what he's done for the National Parks, "Clean Air" and "Healthy Forests".
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:28 PM
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22. Show up?
It seems as though Bush implodes at any debate where Kerry appears!

;)
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:39 PM
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23. K should use Bush Sr.'s quote on why NOT to remove Saddam
A great quote, and so true
"Trying to eliminate Saddam .. would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible ... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq ...there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:41 PM
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24. and report that many historians thought that Poppy's call was correct...
(hit on Ws assertion that he would accept criticism from historians in the future when he couldn't admit to any mistakes that he could see in the present.)
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:49 PM
Response to Reply #23
86. I vote for this idea eom
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:46 PM
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25. Perhaps Kerry can poke a little fun at himself in the process
Just in case junior balks at Kerry's bringing up Poppy, Kerry can say that since Poppy was a president also involved in Iraq #1- It's fair to bring up analysis and comparisons and #2 - Being a president of the U.S. requires a big chin not a glass jaw.
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:01 PM
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27. List all of the mistakes Bush made
(well, at least three of 'em since Kerry doesn't have all day) and then say: "you made those mistakes, not your appointees. But as we've seen, Mr. President, in your administration, the buck doesn't stop until it hits Halliburton's bank account."
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #27
68. I love it! zing!
welcome to DU! :hi:
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:35 PM
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81. Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"The buck doesn't stop until it hits Halliburton's bank account."
Priceless!

Welcome to DU! VA is starting to look more blue every day!
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DemsUnited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:05 PM
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28. List all of the mistakes Bush made
(well, at least three of 'em since Kerry doesn't have all day) and then say: "you made those mistakes, not your appointees. But as we've seen, Mr. President, in your administration, the buck doesn't stop until it hits Halliburton's bank account."
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:13 PM
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31. How about how there is no accountability?
1. No one has been fired over Abu Ghraib (that must mean, mr president, that you do not find those actions to be regretable... doesn't it?);

2. No one has been removed over the spy leaks per Iran from the Pentagon (one controversy surrounds Feith's office and Ahmed Chalabi leaking info to Iran that the US had broken the codes used on wmds; the other also surrounds Feith's office but the leaks are ABOUT Iran policy and were leaked to Israel)... guess leaking of national security classified information is an acceptable policy in this White House;

3. No one has been removed from office regarding a leak that led to the ruining of a major intelligence network that tracked the flow of WMDs across the world to prevent those weapons from falling into the hands of terrorists.... guess that national security - esp on the issue of WMDs and terrorists - is less important than covering political ass in this administration...
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #31
77. where's the cd's...
Now would be a GOOD time for them to get leaked ;)
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:13 PM
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32. Bring up the loyalty oaths he demands at his rallies
Kerry out to mention: If this president makes his supporters sign a loyalty oath before they can attend his rallies, how much longer will it be before we see the president making all Americans sign loyalty oaths before they can get a job or government assistance?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:22 PM
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36. Burn!
I love that.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:03 PM
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72. Kerry Should Have Brought Up Loyalty Oaths at Town Hall
Kerry should have made a jab at Bush in the Town Hall Debate by saying something like,

"all of my rallies are like town hall events - I want to talk to all Americans. I don't require loyalty oaths. It must be hard for this president to have to face ordinary Americans who have not signed loyalty oaths".
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. Right On!
And welcome to DU from another Newbie!

:toast:
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Joe Turner Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:33 PM
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37. Expose the Bush Family Saudi and China Biz Connections
Mention Neil Bush's involvement with Grace Semiconductor a China owned company and the hanky panky going on there with that naked woman showing up at Neil's hotel room one night. Just what made Neil Bush so special?

In Neil Bush's divorce records he readily admitted he knows nothing about the semiconductor business. Just what sort of influence was China trying to buy with his brother being president and all...

China buying/paying off Neil Bush and his Uncle Prescott seems to have been a good investment. Bush has granted China permanent most favored nation status and allowed China to run up staggering trade deficits with America with not so much as a peep out of the administration about this One Way trading relationship.

Also mention the numerous Saudi ties to Harkin Oil, Arbusto Oil, Carlyle Group etc. and the access to power and favoritism it has bought them in America via BushCo.

Shrub will turn sheet white, stammer, and otherwise meltdown.

Game, set, match. Smirk is OWNED by foreign countries and does not have America’s best interests at heart.


Game, set, match. Smirk is OWNED by foriegn countries.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:36 PM
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38. ask if that is why he is so comfortable
with foreign investors owning our debt... eg our massive financial obligations (that are growing daily) to foreign interests...
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Bimini_Twisted Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:41 PM
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40. Call him wishy washy you could see his blood pressure spike
when Kerry said that previously
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:40 PM
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39. I want to see kerry knock his ass out!
call him a liar and the biggest presidential failure in US history...

he had everything....complete public support US and world, complete repub control of all the branches of govt, a docile opposition, complicit media and corporations bowing down to him...

and he STILL fucked everything up!

no-one in history had all these advantages and STILL managed to be a complete FAILURE!

his admin won't be held accountable for anything...its almost fun to watch the cock-roaches scatter from the light, becuase they LIE about almost everything!
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:46 PM
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41. Call him a cheerleader
for the recession.

He was a cheerleader (one of them girly men) and his mentioning the recession in the 2000 debates triggered it.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:50 PM
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42. remember his silly economic forum in 2002
he ran around all day throough his hand-picked crowd, mugged with each group for photos, maybe heard one or two comments than moved to the next room. And the job loss kept going on...

then there was the appointment of a "jobs tsar" (though why we would want a totalitarian dictator over jobs is lost on me)... who had outsourced jobs... and what has the office of this "job tsar" done?

oh - then there was his chief economic advisor claiming that outsourced jobs should be calculated as a gain in the trade deficit calculation... who also questioned whether the definition of "manufacturing" allowed burger flippers to be reclassified as manufacturing jobs...
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:49 PM
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63. I agree -- call him a cheerleader
Cheerleaders get out there and try to pump up the crowd when their team is getting clobbered 99-0.

Rah! Rah! Rah! Fight! Fight! Fight! Don't worry about the score (the economy/the deficit/the war)! Just get behind the team!

I think if Kerry pokes at this cheerleader theme (in addition to the misleader theme), he'll really rub the Shrub the wrong way.

Rub the Shrub! Rub the Shrub! Go! Go! Go!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 05:05 PM
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69. Rub the Shrub! Rub the Shrub! Go! Go! Go!????
Do you think that's what he says to the Mrs. in bed?
EEEEEEWWWWWWWWW!
I'm so sorry, I just couldn't help it.

:spank:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:50 PM
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43. Remind him to REMEMBER Poland withdrawing from IRAQ
What JK needs to do is be Presidential you know fatherly. Let the shrubs Oedipal issues shine. :eyes:
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faustus Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:52 PM
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44. Bring up "voodoo economics"
Kerry should remind Bush that his father called the sort of economics he pursues "voodoo economics". Kerry should probably say something like "I agree with the President's father that the policy of cutting taxes on the rich to help the poor is voodoo economics. It didn't work in the 80's and it isn't working now".

Faustus
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:35 AM
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92. Perfect!!
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:03 PM
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45. Mention Mommy Dearest....let's see "Your mother is so dedicated to
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 03:04 PM by Gloria
literacy, and yet you have failed to fund No Child Left Behind." You sure didn't inherit the committment to education that your mother has shown."

Or, you can mention Pickles, too, in connection with teaching...

Either way, you push his buttons...He has REAL mother/women issues (his astrological chart is clear on this)....and father problems as well, esp. since his transits are such a mess the night of the 3rd debate (they haven't been good during the other two either, but the 3rd debate is the cream of the crop).
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:12 PM
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48. Fascinating! What's Kerry's like for the 3rd debate?
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:10 PM
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58. Link to full discussion of Bush in 3rd debate....Kerry's aspects look
look very good overall using the 8:03 birthchart...Certainly not like Bush's!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=111x36667
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:09 PM
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83. Remember - he also defunded RIF (reading is fundamental)
long standing literacy program... left behind.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:05 PM
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46. During the pre-debate handshake, he should grab shrub and noogie him good!
That'll throw him completely off his game, LOL.
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Harlan James Donating Member (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:12 PM
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49. A) Invoke Harry Truman. B) Accuse Georgie Of Whining.
The American people truly believe that the buck stops at the desk of the president. And if a president sends this country to war, and the reasons for that war turn out to be false, he needs to take responsibility for his horrible blunder. The war was begun because of WMD. They weren't there. The buck stops at Bsuh's desk.

Mr. President, stop whining.

A mistake that has cost over 1,000 American lives, plus 10s of billions of dollars in national treasure, is no small manner. Finger-pointing and blame assigning ("John Kerry saw the same intelligence that I did") doesn't cut it.


Our president. He's mad.

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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:13 PM
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50. John Kerry should ask Junior, "Which is your very favourite internet?"
:bounce:
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:15 PM
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51. mention Ken Lay
Bush had the infamous temper tantrum when a reporter asked about him.

Also, disarm him by anticipating his responses, he's only got a couple of memorized ones. "Bush will say (blah blah blah) but my response is that (blah blah blah)" That way he can get the rebuttal in ahead of time.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:53 PM
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64. ken lay ken lay ken lay
kerry needs to promise a full and fair proceeding against Bush's best buddy. that would do the trick in a lot of ways.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:17 PM
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53. "another failed Bush presidency" that should set him off.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:21 AM
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94. Perfect. It sure would. He would challenge Kerry to go "mano-a-mano"
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:22 AM by pse517
Like he did to his dad when he got busted for driving his little brother around while drunk. I'd love to see Kerry use that line.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:26 PM
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54. right to the heart of the matter: "Just what war did you serve in, George"
when that tin horn hero spouts on about what a strong commander-in-chief he is, and kerry isn't good enough to be president, all John Kerry has to do is ask that simple question and the election is won.

i do not understand why Kerry has not yet asked it. perhaps he is waiting until wednesday night to drop that thermonuclear question on the boy king.

whenever i am arguing with repukes and they ridicule kerry's capacity to be commander-in-chief, i ask it and every one of the repukes get red-faced and start to stutter.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:39 PM
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55. Spooking George
Kerry should take off his jacket, turn his back to the camera, roll up his sleeves and look expectantly at Shrub.

Okasha
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 03:54 PM
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57. Ask * To Say: I DON'T BELIEVE A WOMAN HAS THE RIGHT...
to chose an abortion.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:57 PM
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65. bring up he fought in a war with crappy leaders and Bush's privledged
background.

kerry should bring up how he himself knows what it's like to fight in war. not just any war, but a war where the leaders of the country mislead and are not truthful. and what hurts troops is not criticism of the war but the lack of truth from the civilian leadership at the top.

and bring up bush's privledged background. he kind of did that in the other debates when he talked about bush's tax cuts benefiting the wealthy like himself and bush. but maybe he should go further and say something like "both you and me grew up with priveledge, we were able to go to private schools and great universities like yale" . show what a lie bush's "regular guy" act is.
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 04:57 PM
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66. Should have Tim McVeighs family been flown out of the US the day after
Should have Tim McVeighs family been flown out of the US the day after the Oklahoma City bombing?


How much did you make from Carlyle and United Industries after 911?

Just a few questions Id like answered. And Id bet Boosh would go ballistic . Reality embarasses the President.

You must take the weapon away by disarming your opponent. Then hes weak. Then he becomes emotional.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:22 PM
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73. the one thing that will get to Bush is to challenge his "manhood"
He is extremely sensitive to a challenge like that and it goes back to his competition with his father. Remember the "mano, mano" challenge to his father? Remember the hats they wore when golfing in Kennebunkport--George's hat said "boss"--remember that?

He will lose it in a minute if Kerry suggested he is a little coward of a man, in, of course, some obtuse and nuanced way. Bush could not handle it, after seeing him now in the last two debates. The first debate, he was an idiot and in the second, in order to try to compensate for the first bumbling idiocy, he was on some kind of stimulant that made him arrogant, hyperactive and wild.

Kerry just needs to make the point that he is a much stronger and much more of a man--that will throw Bush into incoherency.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:27 PM
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74. Show up wearing a yellow hat
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harpo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:22 PM
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78. Advise for Mr. Kerry agains chimp in #3...
1. Repeat failed every time you are discussing any topic, mention why it has failed and my plan for not failing.

2. Bring up Enron and how it affected the stock market. This would ideally be after chimp says how the economy was hit hard by the boom of the 90's (chimp did this in both of the last debates so count on it). Mention how the CEO's of Enron screwed the economy, how they helped Cheney with secret meetings about coming up w/ chimps energy policy he touts so much. Preferably not on a last rebuttle to make chimp squirm and freak.

3. If he brings up your senate record, question which votes he disagree's with...or which topics. Is he saying he doesn't approve of food stamps, heathcare for children, and improved pay for teachers? I like the label's play last time when they brought up liberals...but forcing him to make the distinction between liberals and him will be fun to watch...squirm...uh...I uh...and then he will wonder off to the war.

4. Compare, when possible, how much it matches what Clinton did. People love Clinton...align w/ him cause he did lots of good things no matter what people think of his personal life.

5. Bring up his father. Compare how his policy has failed and how his father did it better. You did some of this before, do more...it really makes him crazy.

6. If abortion comes up, make it known that chimp will not allow someone who is raped to get an abortion because to him killing is killing, there is no distinction. You could really play this against him w/ single women...his "stuborness" is the Wrong choice.

I'm sure I'll think of some others and post them here later
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:35 PM
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82. Do what they did to Dukakis with the Kitty Dukakis rhetorical question....
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 09:37 PM by EndElectoral
President Bush,

If one of your daughters was raped by a ex-con with AIDS, and it was determined that the birth of the child may jeopardize your daughter's life, are you saying you would be against saving your daughter's life over that of protecting the fetus of a child that doctors say would have a slim chance of surviving?
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:40 AM
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88. Good one!
He could say it something like this. "President Bush and I are both the fathers of young women. If my daughter were raped, I would want her to be able to choose whether or not to carry the baby. President Bush would force my daughter and his daughter to carry that baby to term. Actually, since both he and I can afford to send out daughters out of the country for an abortion, the women he would be forcing to bear unwanted children would be those who cannot afford to leave the country and pay for the procedure. This is what President Bush's so called pro life position means in real life."

I'm sure he could say it a whole lot better.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 11:56 PM
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87. The only way Bush remotely compares to Reagan....
is through his failed tax cut for the rich ("trickle down")economic policies.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:44 AM
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89. Ask him where is the responsiblity for the mistakes of the last 4 years
If he points out the mistakes and then asks him point blank where the responsibility lies, he may come out from behind the podium.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:21 AM
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90. Look CAEFULLY at tapes of first debate and determine exactlt when Bush be
began to lose it and notice what started it. If it was when Poppy was brought into the disusion. Say something like "This president's father knew more about domestic policy and then bring up something about domestic policy that his father did better than Bush jr, is doing.

Whatever the first tape shows set Bush off - do it again and again.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:48 AM
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93. If Kerry dresses the right way...

...I'll bet he can make the Chimp compulsively masturbate on national TV. :evilgrin:
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:25 AM
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95. Bush never did own up to making ANY mistakes when he answered.
He beat around the bush and said made the comments about history judging his decisions but he never did say he made a mistake.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:27 AM
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96. Yes! Oedipus rules!
Actually, make Poppy look superior to Junior* and insult Babs - that would really send the little freak reeling into the abyss.

23.


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