Does Dean practice diversity? How diverse are his top campaign operatives?

[_Jumper_]

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[Rowdyboy]

1. About as diverse as his cabinet in Vermont

Total number of minorities to serve in Dean's cabinet during the 11 years of his administration.....Zero

That none, nill, nada, no one, not a single one, absolutely a "vanilla paradise" just like his state. And that's just what America needs! More white men from the north east telling the rest of us what we're doing wrong.

[_Jumper_]

2. Wow

Can any Dean supporter explain this?

[Evanstondem]

17. That's easy

0.2% of Vermont residents are African-American. It would be fairer, but less "gotcha", to ask Dean about his campaign staff.

In the same spirit many gays did Gen. Clark have in his circle of key advisors while chief of NATO?

[BurtWorm]

24. I'll bet he didn't ask

and they sure as hell didn't tell. ;)

[wndycty]

58. This question is about his campaign leadership not his cabinet. . .

. . .and for the record Charlie Rangel and Andrew Young co-chair Clark's National Steering Committee and Mary Frances Berry serves on it. Thurogood Marshall Jr. oversees some type of legislative out reach.

[AP]

3. I think this is important: Dean's blunt talk about race to white people is

a story about how all the hires in his office were women, so he told the woman hiring that she needed to hire more men. So Dean's claim to understanding RACE is a story about hiring more white men. It's about anti-male gender discrimination.

[_Jumper_]

5. Right

And we should not nominate a candidate who doesn't walk the walk on race. Dean needs to go on BET and explain to Ed Gordon why he failed to appoint a single minority to a cabinet post.

[angee_is_mad]

14. that's good

[Hawkeye-X]

7. the number of cabinet members is...

SIX!

Stop parroting Sharpton on this. Sharpton was wrong to bring it up and you know it!

[_Jumper_]

9. And he was elected to 5 terms

.

[Maddy McCall]

10. No, the number of cabinet positions at any given time is six.

He was in office for twelve years. He had at least EIGHTEEN opportunities to appoint cabinet members, and that's not counting resignations during terms. He probably had MORE THAN EIGHTEEN opportunities.

[Evanstondem]

21. And if you pick 18 people from the VT pop at random

Chances are that NONE of them would be African American, since they are 0.2% of the population in Vermont.

He may have had fewer than 18 different cabinet members, since that some of his cabinet members probably served multiple terms.

[_Jumper_]

25. Vermont is 3% minority and almost 2% black and Latino

n/t

[Maddy McCall]

31. Right, AND Dean was the guy who was LECTURING others on

reaching out to races. He wasn't practicing what he was lecturing, that's for sure.

It isn't about him doing what he HAD to, it is about him doing what he SHOULD have done, and that is have an American Indian, Hispanic, or Black person in his cabinet.

[angee_is_mad]

19. debate was about race? Right

So how was Sharpton out of place for mentioning it? It isn't because your candidate has talked about race during his campaign, but his record as governor shows something different.

Please do not rewrite history...and thank God for Sharpton to make sure that history will not be rewritten or ignored.

[Eloriel]

35. On the contrary

His Deputy Campaign Manager, whom I've met, is Andi Pringle, who used to be CMB's Campaign Manager. Dean added her back in the summer or even late spring. He also has one or more Hispanics -- one was named just the other day IIRC and you can find it on his blog if you care to. He was the first -- and only, to my knowledge -- to name a Native American paid staffer as head of his Oklahoma campaign. That too happened some months ago -- summer, I think.

This has been one of the joys of the Dean campaign to me. I was thrilled when he hired Andi, thrilled when he hired the Hispanics, and absolutely in tears when he hired the Native American.

Now, let's hear about all the other candidates, shall we? Supporters?

Clark
Gephardt
Edwards
Kerry
Lieberman


Eloriel

[Very Good Dem]

46. Edwards

Edwards' National Campaign Co-Chair, Treasurer, Deputy Campaign Manager, three regional directors, several state directors, among others are all African American. His political director and Deputy Press Secretary are Hispanic, as are other campaign staffers.

He is the first Senator in history to appoint a black female Chief of Staff. In addition, his Chief Counsel, Scheduler, two State Directors, and other staffers are African American.

I don't know about the others, but Edwards walks his talk.

[WiseMen]

4. I think there will be openings for Blacks and Browns Tomorrow!! Look for

press release.

[Red_Storm]

8. LOL !!!

[adadem]

11. ha ha ha

you're sure right on that one!

[Eloriel]

36. Nuh huh

See my post #35, above yours.

Eloriel

[KaraokeKarlton]

6. Why don't you ask the guy heading up his organization in SC

Who is a longtime friend and one of his college roommates...and black. Dean has plenty of minorities, gays, women and quite the melting pot of a campaign staff.

[angee_is_mad]

22. maybe they could come to his meetups

that would be a great photo op, to show diversity.

[jaysunb]

12. Maybe

you could ask Andi Pringle....that Black woman that is his Deputy Campaign manager.
Or any of the Black men who are part of the campiagn advisors and staff people....not to mention senior reps such as myself (AA male) .

Please get your facts straight before you make these accusations.

[_Jumper_]

16. I am asking questions

I want the facts on this issue. If he practiced diversity in his judicial appointments and on his campaigns I will excuse his cabinet hiring practices.

Deputy Campaign mangager? That is a positive thing. How diverse were his Vermont campaigns, back when he didn't really need to court the minority vote?

[jaysunb]

23. oops

I didn't see your Clark avitar......goodnight.

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[mouse7]

15. He appointed more women than anyone in state history

Dean delived in the only way he could in a state with Vermont's population makeup. He got more women into government than anyone in state history, and he has one of the highest appointment rates of women of anyone in the country.

[_Jumper_]

18. His state is 3% minority

What % were his judicial and cabinet appointments minorities?

[mouse7]

26. Dean Cabinet and Judiciary was almost 50% women

Women are still considered minorities by socialogists in discussions regarding the power structure in this society.

[_Jumper_]

30. Right

But sexism and racism are two different things. One can be a racist and not be a sexist and vice versa.

[mouse7]

33. You need proof Dean denied opportunity before throwing that bomb

Do you have any links to a single case of anyone that has claimed Dean denied them equal opportunity?

I want links.

[_Jumper_]

37. What bomb?

Where did I accuse him of being racist?

[mouse7]

42. You accused him of racism in post #5

"And we should not nominate a candidate who doesn't walk the walk on race. Dean needs to go on BET and explain to Ed Gordon why he failed to appoint a single minority to a cabinet post."

I want links to proof that Dean doesn't "walk-the-walk."

[Fleshdancer]

38. You think Dean is racist?

Is this your ultimate conclusion of a Democrat running for President?

[_Jumper_]

41. No

But I am not automatically assuming he is not a racist. I want to examine his record on race before reaching a conclusion about whether he is a racist.

[clarknyc]

27. I don't know.

But have you heard of this new-fangled thing that they call Google? I hear you can find darn near anything on the web with it. Maybe you should give it a try. If you find anything, let us know, mmmkay?

[mouse7]

20. Don't bring Al From's DLC logo and bitch about diversity

Al From sponsored a big tribute for Newt Gingrich on CSPAN last night. Al From gushed over Newt Gingrich's accomplishments. Your DLC leader is shouting how wonderful Newt was. Your Guy Al From is his cronies are the problem and barier to diversity.

[_Jumper_]

28. I have the DLC avator because of Bill Clinton, not From

I seem to recall that he was great on racial issues.;)

[clarknyc]

34. Well good for you.

But a picture of Bill Clinton would be more to the point. Al From is the name associated with the DLC these days.

It just occurred to me that by your logic, if I had a GOP elephant icon as an avatar that I could claim it was in honor of Lincoln...even though George W. Bush is the name associated with the GOP these days.

[_Jumper_]

40. I am a centrist

I don't worship From but I am a centrist. That is another reason I have the DLC avator. I am a Clinton Democrat. Sue me. ;)

[clarknyc]

49. Sue you? Why?

So what is a centrist these days anyway? How does Dean really differ with a centrist Democratic agenda?

[TLM]

29. I like seeing that DLC logo right next to that Clark logo...

says it all right there.

[_Jumper_]

44. Right, he is our best chance of winning

;)

[doubles]

32. Come on Jumper, we both know for a Democrat to win, you can't *appear* too

liberal.....

Dean will bring home the moderate whites, the Sharpton haters, the southern white pick up truck drivers with confederate flags, the greater distance Dean has from Sharpton the more appealing he will be....

Or, as for the black vote, come on, where else can they go? We have that vote in the bag.....

;-)

[angee_is_mad]

47. Taking AA votes for granted

as usual and people wonder why I am mad. But I know that this was and is is Dean's strategy all alone. That's why Sharpton jumps on him all the time.

[doubles]

50. My bad, just joking....

I was being sarcastic with my statement on taking black votes for granted..... That's actually a big problem for me with the Democratic party.

[angee_is_mad]

52. thx 4 clearing that up

4 me. Well if you would look at the postings, you can see that Aa are not an issue at this time.

Since your candidate is leading in the polls has hisAA supporters increased? I am not referring to his endorsers but in his grassroot movement. I am also not referring to his staff, but his down in the trenches supporters.

[doubles]

39. Seriously though, I have no problem with Dean having all six cabinet

members being white.

I believe if this is a practice throughout Dean's career, then we have a problem. If at every leg of your career, you must focus on having one of each, a hispanic, a black, an asian, then I believe you start exploiting the race issue the way Shrub has sold his war using brown faces. I am comfortable with Dean as a fair minded non racist individual, that is my gut feeling listening to the guy, frankly, his cabinet record does not phase me one bit.

Watching a post show repeat, Dean seems very comfortable addressing the issue and he seemed to have improved his smile, he is the man to beat Bush IMHO. Right now, Sharpton is a distraction.

[_Jumper_]

43. Judicial appointments and his campaign staff

Is his record on these was solid I will excuse his lack of minority cabinet members.

[IndianaGreen]

45. How diverse was Clinton?

Did you know that Bush has more minorities in the White House than Clinton? It is a rather shocking revelation. There are many conservatives who are also Latinos or African-Americans. Name one Democratic President that had an African-American Secretary of State, or National Security Advisor, or a Latino as cabinet Secretary.

Wasn't it Clinton who turned his back on Lani Guinier?

[dsc]

51. Henry Ciscernos

to name one Latino cabinet secretary under Clinton. Fransicsco Pena and Bill Richardson to name two others.

[slinkerwink]

48. His campaign operatives are very diverse

c'mon, race baiting fucking sucks and you shouldn't do it.

[mbali]

53. Curious

How is saying "I am the only white politician talking about race to white audiences" is not race baiting but asking him whether it's true that he did not demonstrate any commitment to diversity in his gubanatorial appointments is?

[Rowdyboy]

55. Of course race baiting sucks

But thats what we're all about? Right? Insulting each other, demeaning the other guys, calling them names that we know are unfair just so we can gain an edge. Like saying Clark has Republican roots.

[mzmolly]

54. His deputy campaign manager is an African American woman

How bout Clark? Do share.

[beaconess]

56. kick

[beaconess]

57. kick

[Skinner]

59. This is just flame bait.

I'm locking.