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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:37 AM
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Bob Schieffer and Bush Connection
People forget or are unaware, so pass this one around and make it well known!!! This was sent me via email from makethemaccountable.com

Snipped from a blogger's comment on: www.washingtonnote.com

"Bob Schieffer, the moderator at the <3rd presidential> debate, is the
brother
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A47
883-2003Jan12¬Found=true> of Tom Schieffer who was president
<http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/01/08/archive/main69.shtml> of the
Texas Rangers under Bush's ownership. Bob is the older brother and has
always acted in the role of Tom's father. I knew them both many years
ago. I think that it is only fair that Bob disclose his relationship to
the President at the outset of the next debate."


The WaPo article is too old (looks like it's Jan 12, 2003) and has to be purchased. I have $14 left to last me till this Friday...but that's another story.

But the CBS news story is still up giving all of the details about the sale. Here's the paragraph about Tom Schieffer, Bob's younger brother.

Hicks said the team's management, including president Tom Schieffer, general manager Doug Melvin and field manager Johnny Oates, would remain in place. The pair have contracts through the 1999 season.

I'll give Shieffer the benefit of the doubt, but I DEFINITELY think he should disclose this at the beginning of the debates!
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:42 AM
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1. Tom Schieffer is a big TX lib
But, you're right, it might be a good idea for Bob Schieffer to interject that his brother worked with *.
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:44 AM
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2. I didn't make the connection until I saw this
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 07:47 AM by AussieDave
- Tom Schieffer is the current American Ambassador to Australia, and quite unpopular. He has made many statements critical of the Labor Party Opposition, particularly its proposal to withdraw from the war in Iraq by Christmas (which won't happen now, because it has just lost the election). He is undiplomatic in commenting on Australian domestic politics but is a great friend (and conduit of orders) from Bush to our illustrious Prime Minister, John Howard.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:51 AM
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3. Where?
Can you link to that? I can't find that paragraph. :shrug:

So...he went from being the president of the team to Australian ambassador?!?! *beats head on wall*
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AussieDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:58 AM
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5. Here you go.....
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:18 AM by AussieDave
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:15 AM
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7. Thanks!
I know there was discussion about the moderators when they were first announced. Regrettably, I don't have time to read every post and will skip the ones that seem (to me) a little...extreme...so I missed it. :(
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:55 AM
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4. At least you're willing
to give him a chance. Schieffer's brother's connection to bush has been mentioned several times here at DU. Some folks have gone so far as to suggest that this rather tenuous connection should disqualify Scheiffer. Absurd. Scheiffer is an honorable reporter with a long record of being such. Suggesting that he can't be a good moderator because of his brother just isn't very smart. Would you object if the moderator was, say, Ron Reagan?
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:13 AM
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6. Actually, yes I would
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:13 AM by liburl
object of Ron Reagan was the moderator. Not because of any bias though. Because RR spoke at the DNC, the debate would not be seen as being fairly moderated and the uproar would drown out anything said at the debate.

I didn't suggest he can't be a good moderator. I simply agreed that he should disclose any relationship at the start.

But I also don't think this is a "tenuous" connection. It's a clear, long standing relationship. I wouldn't put it past the Bushonistas to play a little let's make a deal.
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morcatknits Donating Member (128 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:18 AM
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8. Might not be a bad thing
My understanding is that Bush was a real dud in the business end of the Ranger's operation. Tom Scheiffer might just have let his brother know some of the facts about Bush's performance and the dirty deals surrounding "The Ballpark at Arlington," not that anything would ever be reported about all that. Disclosure wouldn't be a bad idea, though. I'm always in favor of that.
morcatknits
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:29 AM
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10. You're being awfully literal here
Ron Reagan was just an example. I think what I'm really trying to say is it's all six degrees (or less) of separation in the circle of journalists and D.C. Guess what? These folks socialize together. Have for a long time. I recall hearing that Donald Rumsfeld and Dan Rather own property together. Phil Graham was close friends with John Kennedy. And clearly you were suggesting that Scheiffer's brother's connection to bush could influence Schieffer. I wouldn't put it past bushco to try and play let's make a deal either, but I have no reason to believe that Schieffer would play with them.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:35 AM
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11. The election is too important for there to be even an appearance of ....
...impropriety.

The brother of a bush appointee shouldn't be moderating this debate.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:20 AM
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9. Come on Folks
Schieffer is about as fair you're going to find. He's no bush homer
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Torgo4 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:37 AM
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13. Don't Bet On It!
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:39 AM by Torgo4
Isn't Scheiffer a golfing buddy of Bush "41"?
Did you see performance on Daily Show last week? He was almost giddy talking about his first debate moderation.
Looks like another "Dinner-Party Pundit" to me!

Well, if Bush fux that up too, maybe his daddy's Supreme Court can stop the Zogby-type polls from "counting" and undermining W's legitimate claim to the Presidency?

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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 10:43 AM
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16. I've watched
him forever he is no homer. He will aks tough questions of both of these guys. And yes he will hammer both on how they plan to pay for their programs and pay down the defecit. So they better be able to explain it
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:37 AM
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12. my brother's guilty so I'm guilty ...
i heard Schieffer make very positive comments about Kerry after the second debate ...

is it good to be aware of his brother's repbublican ties? sure ... but let's also make sure we don't convict Bob Schieffer without real evidence ... I think he's probably one of the good guys ...
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Torgo4 Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 08:44 AM
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14. Ahhh...Here We Go!
Our fearless press corp...whores for the bores!!!


http://www.motherjones.com/news/update/2004/08/08_403.html

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The worst of the bunch might be Bob Schieffer, who will moderate the third debate on foreign policy. Schieffer, it should be noted, struck up a golfing friendship with George W. Bush during the 1990s. Last year, the "Face the Nation" host told Howard Kurtz, "It's always difficult to cover someone you know personally." Indeed, it must be. This is the same Bob Schieffer who believed that the media had asked "tough questions" during the run-up to the Iraq war. The same Bob Schieffer who, after the 2000 debates, opined, "Clearly tonight, if anyone gained from this debate it was George Bush—he seemed to have as much of a grasp of the issues ." The same Bob Schieffer who couldn't for the life of him figure out why Bush would visit the infamously racist Bob Jones University during the 2000 campaign, saying: "The notion that Bush is a Bible-thumping conservative Republican of that ilk is something that's sort of hard to believe." This is not to call Schieffer a partisan hack; just don't expect him to bring a critical persona to the debates.

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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 09:11 AM
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15. OK ... but there's also this:
source: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=979978

After the VP debate, Schieffer said: "the arguments that the vice president was making tonight simply did not take ... the administration is going to have to find another way to explain their policy in Iraq ..."
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:15 AM
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17. Forcing Schietfer to disclose his Bushgang connections live at beginning
of debate would be great.Would discredit the "liberal media" and "liberal CBS" nonsense live to 60,000,000 Americans.
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