Bush was NOT being prompted on D-Day

[progdonkey]

I posted on an earlier thread concerning this video, but I decided I needed to start up my own thread as well to make sure this BS goes no further. The following link was posted earlier http://musiccoop.org/Bush-Chirac.zip purporting to be undeniable proof that Bush was being prompted as to what to say. Unfortunately, it is simply a technical glitch.

Here is my post to the original thread, which explains my reason for determining it to be just a glitch.

This is another video going around of the same event, but as covered by CNN. This one originally got me, as there was much less of the actual speech to analyze. Coupled with John King's strange reaction at the end, I too believed we had a smoking gun. Now that I have seen the extended footage from that event, it is quite plain that this was all just a technical glitch.

This still leaves one issue: what the fuck was King reacting to? :shrug:

[On the Road]

1. I Think King May Have Heard the Same Thing as the Audience

and that's why he reacted the way he did. It's like hearing someone with an echo over the phone -- you tend to shake your head and strain your ears, because it's distracting.

After hearing the clip, I agree it was a technical glitch. (I had never heard it and never had an opinion up to now.) If the prompting was supposed to have been silent to everyone but Bush, what would cause a prompting method that is normally silent to be so friggin' loud in one particular case? It doesn't make sense to me that this was picking up a prompt.

Having said that, I still see a box AND a wire under Bush's jacket at the first debate. Don't know what it is, because there's no evidence one way or another. But it still intrigues me because the White House denies that it's there.

[goclark]

3. We are not Columbo

Let's let them tell US all about the strange speech patterns etc.

Where there is smoke there is fire and there is a whole lot of smoke around GW when it makes speeches.

He is a Puppet and there is plenty of Proof on that issue.

When the Poster says that Bush Is Not Wired I need a ton of proof that he is not and I see absolutely no Smoking Gun Proof from the original post.

[On the Road]

10. No, the Burden is On Those Making the Charge

and the clearest way to show it is the photgraphic evidence.

Regardless of your beliefs, mixing good evidence with speculation weakens the story and threatens to discredit it if ANY piece of it is disproven or dismissed.

I want it to stay in the spotlight and the White Hose have to answer what the box and wire were.

[goclark]

20. They totally dismissed it ...that's why

we should know that we are really on to something.
They are stalling and telling LIES big time.

It is not up to us to PROVE anything.
We are not the FBI. We are just internet(s) junkies with a passion for politics.

We also are entitled to our opinion, last time I checked.

It is amazing to me that Republicans don't hardly care if something is true or not. They just throw crap on us and say it over and over and over again.

We will try our best, like Dan Rather did, to PROVE it. Did they care what Dan Rather said. Hell NO! They knew Dan Rather was telling the truth but they just kept on rolling with their lies.

Well this time, if we are smart, we will not waste our time with all the stuff like... did it look like a Twinkie under his coat? No it was not a Twinkie, Yes it was a twinkie. Who cares!

As long as we keep working like bees , some of our impressions will catch the attention of the media and they will have their PAID staff select ideas and look into it. Then they will do with it what they will.

On Randi Rhodes just now I heard her say, " Rumors are flying all over the internet." Go Randy!!
They are now talking polls on web sites about Bush needing help/coaching while speaking! This is huge folks. We are making a difference.

These people are finally realizing that there is enough Smoke to start saying, FIRE!!!!

:toast:

[liberal N proud]

5. They have made several claims including that it is not there

One claim was that is was his back bone.
That is before they realized, he dosn't have a back bone

[RafterMan]

2. Why do you want to ensure this BS goes no further?

Salon, NYT, Guardian, BBC, AOL...

Go, BS, go!

[goclark]

4. Well said RafterMan n/t

Go BS go!

I'm going to start a thread for just links and proof that GW has strange speech patterns and that something is up with his "EAR."

Ratherman, please join in on that thread.

[progdonkey]

7. I'm not referring to the debates

I was referring to the video of Bush during a D-Day speech in France where there was an extra voice that some people were saying belonged to someone who was telling him what to say. This was supposed to be earlier evidence of Bush using an earpiece.

At the debates, yes, he had something under his jacket, which may very well have been part of an earpiece setup. I definitely want the WH to tell us what that was, even if it's just a back-brace, etc.

But I'm not talking about the debates. My post dealt simply with debunking what was purported to be evidence of earlier use of an earpiece.

[On the Road]

8. IF the D-Day Speech Was a Technical Glitch,

It's better that it dies immediately. It would actually an obstacle to any legitimate stories to Bush having been wired at the first debate.

Think of what impact the Dan Rather story had. That story was a godsend for Bush because, rightly or wrongly, it killed all further questions about Bush's service record.

There's direct visual evidence of a box and a wire under Bush's jacket. That's where the focus should be. Speculation and theories which can be disproven weaken the story tremendously. The story should stick to evidence and stay on message.

[Bucky]

6. Thanks. People pushing the "Bush was wired" meme are wasting energy

Acting illogical in trying to out Bush on the D-Day speech ultimately undermines our party in the eyes of swing voters. Now the "Bush was wired" argument about the debates is different. We should push that question because it focuses attention on Bush's really bad performance (and bad leadership) and it puts them on the defensive.

[progdonkey]

9. thank you back

We seem to have a lot of people (myself included before I saw the longer movie) who just want to believe that Bush was wired on D-Day and we caught him in the act, regardless of the irrefutable proof in the video. In defense of myself concerning the earlier video, I took my cue from John King's pissed off look at the end; I still want to know what, if not Bush using an earpiece, he was so pissed about....

We have the little box poking through the jacket, and the White House refuses to say what it is. That's what has legs and what we should be focusing on. It's either something embarrassing (back-brace, kevlar; for Bush) or illegal/fraudulent (earpiece).

[On the Road]

11. There Was Clearly an Audio Screwup of Some Kind

whether it was picking up a prompt or creating an echo is another matter. In either case, it warrants making a face.

If it were a prompt, the volume would have been much, much lower than Bush's normal speaking voice. It wasn't.

An echo can be created in advance is there is an audio channel that transmits slightly before the synchronized audio and video. Unless it can be shown that this was impossible in this case, I don't think the D-Day speech is going to go anywhere. It's not a smoking gun.

[Lerkfish]

14. then why don't the words match up?

if its a glitch, wouldn't the extra feed have the exact words and cadence?
just askin

[On the Road]

17. I Couldn't Hear it That Well

I have to keep the volume low because I'm at work.

It sounded to me like a direct echo with a little voice alteration of the kind you might get with a bad connection.

But based on your post, I'll have to listen to it again when I'm home tonight.

[Lerkfish]

18. same situation, I'm going by what I remembered from the last time I heard

it...at work now so can't check. I seem to recall there were one or two word choice differences, and the cadence was definitely different. A glitch or reverberation would sound like an echo, which this did not, IIRC.

I will listen again myself, but I'm almost certain the last line he definitely added a word live not on the prompt voice. Not a big word, something like "And so..." tacked on to the beginning of the line NOT on the glitch/prompt voice.

[bloom]

21. It's definitely NOT a direct echo...eom

[Junkdrawer]

12. Glad to hear there might be one or two occasions he WASN'T prompted...

I guess they have to "leave him run off the leash" every once in a while... :shrug:

[progdonkey]

13. could still have been wired

Just because the mystery voice is a technical glitch doesn't mean that Bush wasn't also wired that day. Wouldn't it be the luckiest thing for Bush if he actually was wired that day but the discussion surrounding the D-Day incident makes average people think that not only was there nothing to the D-Day conference, but that there's nothing to the debate bulge? (like the CBS memos).

That's why I'm so adamant at getting everyone to spread around that this D-Day stuff is not a smoking gun: if the Left starts screaming at the top of its lungs that the D-Day press conference is proof that Bush uses a wire--and then it gets debunked--we're stuck looking like conspiracy nuts with no credibility.

We have the jacket bulge from the debates and his strange and specific-to-the-venue speech cadences; we don't need to embellish the truth with easily dismissable conspiracy theories.

Besides, I doubt Rove would ever allow Dubya to appear before a neutral crowd without some sort of backup.... :-)

[slor]

15. Damn...

I am on a speaker free computer!

[Sparkle]

16. Boy, that is strange. John King was reacting to something. But What?

[dave123williams]

19. Not true, the VO bleeding out is different that what * is saying.

He's a fucking retard.