Honor Where Are You
(107 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:27 PM
Original message |
Neo-Conservative. Why is this not said? |
|
Why does the Kerry camp not talk about the PNAC and the Neo-Conservatives in the administration. I have been trying this talking point out on few people as of late and I always get a positive response out of it.
I went to go drop my rent check off to my landlord's brother. He had a Bush/Cheney sign in his front yard, so, I asked him "Why are you voting for Bush?". His response was "I am a veteran, Kerry lied, Bush is going over there to get the terrorist. What are you for Kerry?" In response i said "I am not just against Bush but all the Neo-Conservatives agenda within' this administration." He said, "I'm a conservative." I said "Great but you are not a Neo-Conservative are you?". He looked at me with a puzzled look. Then I went on to explain about PNAC and how they had an agenda to invade Iraq well before the Bush admin took office and who the Neos are within' the admin. He asked, "Can this be proved?" I said "why most certainly just look up Project for a new American century" I also added, "Pay close attention to the members signatures at the bottom of the letters. You will notice a bunch of familiar names form this admin." I left at that because I did not have much time to go into much more than that.
I ran this issue and the article "The New Pentagon Papers" across one of friends that is staunchly conservative. His response was, (copied from his email) "Regarding the links you sent me, I checked out the newamericancentury.org and it looked okay. I'd like to learn more about what the project founder's (William something?) experience and qualifications are as I see he has written a couple of books on foreign policy/foreign issues. I didn't read everything, but what I did read was pretty interesting.
The second link you sent me I couldn't make it through the whole article. It's obvious the woman who wrote the article is so partisan that it seems her hatred of so-called "neo-conservatives" is what prompted her to tell her "story", moreso than any obligation she has to the American people. I, for one, don't give a crap what she thinks of the Bush administration and who knows if what she alleges is even true? Whatever."
I forgot I mentioned the fact that Richard Perle and Doug Feith were lobbyist for Israel to my landlords brother?
Therefore I wonder why they (Kerry Camp) are not using this if I get reactions like this
|
AntiFascist
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:36 PM
Response to Original message |
1. Make sure you mention..... |
|
that the early PNAC documents, pre 9/11, mention a Pearl Harbor type attack on American soil which could expedite the PNAC plan. MIHOP is usually written off as a crazy left-wing conspiracy theory, but LIHOP (some in the administration may have "let it happen on purpose") is feasible once they see this in writing on the official website.
|
Honor Where Are You
(107 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #1 |
3. I wish I could get into that. |
|
It may be suspicious but I can't believe they would attack us on purpose. I try not to push that as it is too far. I just want them to look at the info and maybe shed some light in that dark they reside.
|
AntiFascist
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 02:17 PM
Response to Reply #3 |
8. I'm not pushing the argument that *co organized the attack.... |
|
but it is conceivable that, since the intelligence is passed through so many hands, someone may have looked the other way.
|
RafterMan
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:37 PM
Response to Original message |
|
that he thought it was probably too complex a story to make it through all the press filters and come out looking sane.
I'm afraid he's probably right.
But if it's working for you, with one-on-one time, keep at it.
|
tomreedtoon
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #2 |
4. Because the word "Neo" puts people to sleep! |
|
The only thing that clicks in the mind of the average person when they hear the word "Neo" is "The Matrix." Which would make a "neo-conservative" Keanu Reeves, fighting against those ugly liberal Agents inside The Matrix, and therefore a hero.
What ever happened to the principle of speaking clearly and accurately with plain language, instead of using magazine buzzwords to make yourself sound like a thrice-damned literature professor? Don't you people want to use words to connect with others, instead of alienating them?
|
maxsolomon
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
6. correction: matrix 3 puts people to sleep |
|
i was shocked that kerry said the word 'OIL' in the last debate. attacking neo-cons?
too much to ask for.
|
Honor Where Are You
(107 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
7. Huh? Magazine buzzwords? |
|
I think if there was a way to explain this in an easy to digest format it would change the way people think of this admin.
|
AntiFascist
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
9. Technically there are Democratic neoconservatives as well.... |
|
Lieberman comes to mind.
I think PNAC is nice and abbreviated, easy to digest, and Orwellian enough (sorry for using the big word "Orwellian"). If they point out that the Project for the New American Century is just one of many conservative think tanks, then counter with the fact that many in the current administration, and the president's brother Jeb, are signed onto it.
|
Stephanie
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #4 |
11. It's their own coinage - |
Honor Where Are You
(107 posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #2 |
|
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 01:23 PM by Honor Where Are You
That Sinclair thing maybe the deal we are looking for. The silver lining if you will. With a counter balance that they are legally bound to provide, Kerry could try explain this. Or the Art bell deal where he was offering air time to the canidates. Art like these types of stories anyways.
|
ArkDem
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 02:30 PM
Response to Original message |
10. They need someone as articulate as you to help them! |
Bluebear
(1000+ posts)
Send PM |
Profile |
Ignore
|
Mon Oct-11-04 02:35 PM
Response to Original message |
12. PNAC is over people's heads. The new "Bachelor" is on, & Elimidate |
|
I use "extreme right wing" or "far right" in discussions and that's about it, because 'normal' people's interest in politics doesn't go any further.
|
DU
AdBot (1000+ posts) |
Wed Apr 24th 2024, 05:45 AM
Response to Original message |