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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 05:58 PM
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The problem for Kerry, holding the lead for 3 weeks after the last debate.
I think it's quite clear Kerry's surge is based off the two debates. That surge kick started his campaign and probably has pushed him ahead of Bush. The problem with this however is that the final debate is close to three weeks before the election. What does Kerry do to keep the lead? How does he not falter like he did after the Democratic Convention? If anything, the debates being so early HELP Bush because people might forget about the debates by the time October ends. If that's the case, can Kerry really hold the advantage?
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:05 PM
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1. thanks for the optimism
All Kerry has to do to keep the lead is keep doing what he has been doing. The debates helped Kerry by exposing Bush for what he is...an idiot. I dont think anyone is going to forget that thier "commander in chief" has done little to protect this country, lauched an illegal war based on lies and cannot defend ANYTHING he has done during the last four years. All they can do is attack Kerry, and thats not working anymore.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:11 PM
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2. The only way to lose is for John to talk about IRAQ and ignore the
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 06:12 PM by Vincardog
Miserable Failure of bush on every domestic issue. Bu$hCO is actively working against America's interests and needs to be called on it at every turn. When the issue is Kerry's strongest and aWol's weakest we can't lose. Stay focused and stay strong John.
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Sean Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:30 PM
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5. Well I'm not optimistic because I saw Kerry lose his convention lead.
I wouldn't put anything past Bush and I feel the idle period will bring up a lot of anti-Kerry stories. Whether they're true or not doesn't seem to hinder their ability to sway voters (look at the hit Kerry took because of the Swift Votes Veterans).
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:16 PM
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3. October surprises will start after this last debate!
According to Nazi Rove he has a couple planned. Hope Kerry has a dandy lying in wait!


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:55 PM
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7. Great pic!
LOL.
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texasmom Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:28 PM
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4. I remember 2000
and the debates (well, the commentary about them) stayed fresh in the public's minds until election day. It's our job to blog about Bush's embarassing performances from now until election day and keep those discussions out there about his weeknesses. The mainstream press is paying more attention to the internet.

I think if we leave this last debate on top, we're in fabulous shape through Nov. 2.
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lablue Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:54 PM
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6. another reason to feel good
Larry Sabato's analysis - today - make sure you look at numbers seven and eight:

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/article.php?id=LJS2004101201
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:59 PM
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9. Could DU post this on their front page?
President Bush: Flip-Flopper-In-Chief
September 2, 2004

From the beginning, George W. Bush has made his own credibility a central issue. On 10/11/00, then-Gov. Bush said: "I think credibility is important.It is going to be important for the president to be credible with Congress, important for the president to be credible with foreign nations." But President Bush's serial flip-flopping raises serious questions about whether Congress and foreign leaders can rely on what he says.

1. Social Security Surplus
BUSH PLEDGES NOT TO TOUCH SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS... "We're going to keep the promise of Social Security and keep the government from raiding the Social Security surplus."
...BUSH SPENDS SOCIAL SECURITY SURPLUS The New York Times reported that "the president's new budget uses Social Security surpluses to pay for other programs every year through 2013, ultimately diverting more than $1.4 trillion in Social Security funds to other purposes."

2. Patient's Right to Sue
GOVERNOR BUSH VETOES PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "Despite his campaign rhetoric in favor of a patients' bill of rights, Bush fought such a bill tooth and nail as Texas governor, vetoing a bill coauthored by Republican state Rep. John Smithee in 1995. He... constantly opposed a patient's right to sue an HMO over coverage denied that resulted in adverse health http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Health effects."

...CANDIDATE BUSH PRAISES TEXAS PATIENTS' RIGHT TO SUE... "We're one of the first states that said you can sue an HMO for denying you proper coverage... It's time for our nation to come together and do what's right for the people. And I think this is right for the people. You know, I support a national patients' bill of rights, Mr. Vice President. And I want all people covered. I don't want the law to supersede good law like we've got in Texas."

...PRESIDENT BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION ARGUES AGAINST RIGHT TO SUE "To let two Texas consumers, Juan Davila and Ruby R. Calad, sue their managed-care companies for wrongful denials of medical benefits ‘would be to completely undermine' federal law regulating employee benefits, Assistant Solicitor General James A. Feldman said at oral argument March 23. Moreover, the administration's brief attacked the policy rationale for Texas's law, which is similar to statutes on the books in nine other states."

3. Tobacco Buyout
BUSH SUPPORTS CURRENT TOBACCO FARMERS' QUOTA SYSTEM... "They've got the quota system in place -- the allotment system -- and I don't think that needs to be changed."
...BUSH ADMINISTRATION WILL SUPPORT FEDERAL BUYOUT OF TOBACCO QUOTAS "The administration is open to a buyout."

4. North Korea
BUSH WILL NOT OFFER NUCLEAR NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM... "We developed a bold approach under which, if the North addressed our long-standing concerns, the United States was prepared to take important steps that would have significantly improved the lives of the North Korean people. Now that North Korea's covert nuclear weapons program has come to light, we are unable to pursue this approach." <PRESIDENT'S 02 15 11 Statement,

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION OFFERS NORTH KOREA INCENTIVES TO DISARM"Well, we will work to take steps to ease their political and economic isolation. So there would be -- what you would see would be some provisional or temporary proposals that would only lead to lasting benefit after North Korea dismantles its nuclear programs. So there would be some provisional or temporary efforts of that nature."

5. Abortion
BUSH SUPPORTS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE... "Bush said he...favors leaving up to a woman and her doctor the abortion question."
...BUSH OPPOSES A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE "I am pro-life."

6. OPEC
BUSH PROMISES TO FORCE OPEC TO LOWER PRICES... "What I think the president ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots...And the president of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the price."

...BUSH REFUSES TO LOBBY OPEC LEADERS With gas prices soaring in the United States at the beginning of 2004, the Miami Herald reported the president refused to "personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds."

7. Iraq Funding
BUSH SPOKESMAN DENIES NEED FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE REST OF 2004... "We do not anticipate requesting supplemental funding for '04"

...BUSH REQUESTS ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR IRAQ FOR 2004 "I am requesting that Congress establish a $25 billion contingency reserve fund for the coming fiscal year to meet all commitments to our troops."

8. Condoleeza Rice Testimony
BUSH SPOKESMAN SAYS RICE WON'T TESTIFY AS 'A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE'... "Again, this is not her personal preference; this goes back to a matter of principle. There is a separation of powers issue involved here. Historically, White House staffers do not testify before legislative bodies. So it's a matter of principle, not a matter of preference."

...BUSH ORDERS RICE TO TESTIFY: "Today I have informed the Commission on Terrorist Attacks Against the United States that my National Security Advisor, Dr. Condoleezza Rice, will provide public testimony."

9. Science
BUSH PLEDGES TO ISSUE REGULATIONS BASED ON SCIENCE..."I think we ought to have high standards set by agencies that rely upon science, not by what may feel good or what sounds good."

...BUSH ADMINISTRATION REGULATIONS IGNORE SCIENCE "60 leading scientists-including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors and university chairs and presidents-issued a statement calling for regulatory and legislative action to restore scientific integrity to federal policymaking. According to the scientists, the Bush administration has, among other abuses, suppressed and distorted scientific anal <http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=anal>ysis from federal agencies, and taken actions that have undermined the quality of scientific advisory panels."

10. Ahmed Chalabi
BUSH INVITES CHALABI TO STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS...President Bush also met with Chalabi during his brief trip to Iraq last Thanksgiving

...BUSH MILITARY ASSISTS IN RAID OF CHALABI'S HOUSE "U.S. soldiers
raided the home of America's one-time ally Ahmad Chalabi on Thursday and seized documents and computers <http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Computers>."

11. Department of Homeland Security
BUSH OPPOSES THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY..."So, creating a Cabinet office doesn't solve the problem. You still will have agencies within the federal government that have to be coordinated. So the answer is that creating a Cabinet post doesn't solve anything."

...BUSH SUPPORTS THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY "So tonight, I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single, permanent department with an overriding and urgent mission: securing the homeland of America and protecting the American people."

12. Weapons of Mass Destruction
BUSH SAYS WE FOUND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION..."We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories...for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

...BUSH SAYS WE HAVEN'T FOUND WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION "David Kay has found the capacity to produce weapons.And when David Kay goes in and says we haven't found stockpiles yet, and there's theories as to where the weapons went. They could have been destroyed during the war. Saddam and his henchmen could have destroyed them as we entered into Iraq. They could be hidden. They could have been transported to another country, and we'll find out."

13. Free Trade
BUSH SUPPORTS FREE TRADE... "I believe strongly that if we promote trade, and when we promote trade, it will help workers on both sides of this issue."

...BUSH SUPPORTS RESTRICTIONS ON TRADE "In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection."

14. Osama Bin Laden
BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'"

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."

15. The Environment
BUSH SUPPORTS MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE... ", Governor Bush will work to...establish mandatory reduction targets for emissions of four main pollutants: sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide, mercury and carbon dioxide."

...BUSH OPPOSES MANDATORY CAPS ON CARBON DIOXIDE "I do not believe, however, that the government should impose on power plants mandatory emissions reductions for carbon dioxide, which is not a 'pollutant' under the Clean Air Act."

16. WMD Commission
BUSH RESISTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE... "The White House immediately turned aside the calls from Kay and many Democrats for an immediate outside investigation, seeking to head off any new wide-ranging election-year inquiry that might go beyond reports already being assembled by congressional committees and the Central Intelligence Agency."

...BUSH SUPPORTS AN OUTSIDE INVESTIGATION ON WMD INTELLIGENCE FAILURE "Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, chaired by Governor and former Senator Chuck Robb, Judge Laurence Silberman, to look at American intelligence capabilities, especially our intelligence about weapons of mass destruction."

17. Creation of the 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11."

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks."

18. Time Extension for 9/11 Commission
BUSH OPPOSES TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush and House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) have decided to oppose granting more time to an independent commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

...BUSH SUPPORTS TIME EXTENSION FOR 9/11 COMMISSION "The White House announced Wednesday its support for a request from the commission investigating the September 11, 2001 attacks for more time to complete its work."

19. One Hour Limit for 9/11 Commission Testimony
BUSH LIMITS TESTIMONY IN FRONT OF 9/11 COMMISSION TO ONE HOUR... "President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney have placed strict limits on the private interviews they will grant to the federal commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, saying that they will meet only with the panel's top two officials and that Mr. Bush will submit to only a single hour of questioning, commission members said Wednesday."

...BUSH SETS NO TIMELIMIT FOR TESTIMONY "The president's going to answer all of the questions they want to raise. Nobody's watching the clock."

20. Gay Marriage
BUSH SAYS GAY MARRIAGE IS A STATE ISSUE... "The state can do what they want to do. Don't try to trap me in this state's issue like you're trying to get me into."

...BUSH SUPPORTS CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT BANNING GAY MARRIAGE "Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, and to send to the states for ratification, an amendment to our Constitution defining and protecting marriage as a union of man and woman as husband and wife."

21. Nation Building
BUSH OPPOSES NATION BUILDING... "If we don't stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we're going to have a serious problem coming down the road."

...BUSH SUPPORTS NATION BUILDING "We will be changing the regime of Iraq, for the good of the Iraqi people."

22. Saddam/al Qaeda Link
BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror."

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11."

23. U.N. Resolution
BUSH VOWS TO HAVE A UN VOTE NO MATTER WHAT... "No matter what the whip count is, we're calling for the vote. We want to see people stand up and say what their opinion is about Saddam Hussein and the utility of the United Nations Security Council. And so, you bet. It's time for people to show their cards, to let the world know where they stand when it comes to Saddam."

...BUSH WITHDRAWS REQUEST FOR VOTE "At a National Security Council meeting convened at the White House at 8:55 a.m., Bush finalized the decision to withdraw the resolution from consideration and prepared to deliver an address to the nation that had already been written."

24. Involvement in the Palestinian Conflict
BUSH OPPOSES SUMMITS... "Well, we've tried summits in the past, as you may remember. It wasn't all that long ago where a summit was called and nothing happened, and as a result we had significant intifada in the area."

...BUSH SUPPORTS SUMMITS "If a meeting advances progress toward two states living side by side in peace, I will strongly consider such a meeting. I'm committed to working toward peace in the Middle East."

25. Campaign Finance
BUSH OPPOSES MCCAIN-FEINGOLD... "George W. Bush opposes McCain-Feingold...as an infringement on free expression."

...BUSH SIGNS MCCAIN-FEINGOLD INTO LAW "his bill improves the current system of financing for Federal campaigns, and therefore I have signed it into law."

26. 527s
Bush opposes restrictions on 527s: "I also have reservations about the constitutionality of the broad ban on issue advertising <http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Advertising> , which restrains the speech of a wide variety of groups on issues of public import."
…Bush says 527s bad for system: "I don't think we ought to have 527s. I can't be more plain about it…I think they're bad for the system. That's why I signed the bill, McCain-Feingold."

27. Medical Records
Bush says medical records must remain private: "I believe that we must protect…the right of every American to have confidence that his or her personal medical records will remain private."

…Bush says patients' histories are not confidntial: The Justice Department…asserts that patients "no longer possess a reasonable expectation that their histories will remain completely confidential."

28. Timelines For Dictators
Bush sets timeline for Saddam: "If Iraq does not accept the terms within a week of passage or fails to disclose required information within 30 days, the resolution authorizes 'all necessary means' to force compliance--in other words, a military attack."

…Bush says he's against timelines: "I don't think you give timelines to dictators."

29. The Great Lakes
Bush wants to divert great lakes: "Even though experts say 'diverting any water from the Great Lakes region sets a bad precedent' Bush 'said he wants to talk to Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien about piping water to parched states in the west and southwest.'-

Bush says he'll never divert Great Lakes: "We've got to use our resources wisely, like water. It starts with keeping the Great Lakes water in the Great Lakes Basin...My position is clear: We're never going to allow diversion of Great Lakes water."

30. Winning The War On Terror
Bush claims he can win the war on terror: "One of the interesting things people ask me, now that we're asking questions, is, can you ever win the war on terror? Of course, you can."

…Bush says war on terror is unwinnable: "I don't think you can win ."

…Bush says he will win the war on terror: "Make no mistake about it, we are winning and we will win ."
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 06:57 PM
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8. Kerry Won't Stumble
As Paul Krugman said, that first debate the sound everyone heard was the sound of the scales falling off peoples' eyes as the saw the true Bush. That changed everything.

From now on, its up to us to counter the rightwing spin machine and dirty tricks.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:00 PM
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10. piece of cake.
takes more than three weeks. it runs about 4 or 5. remember when kerry started going down. took 4 or 5 weeks for kerry to get the movement shifted. i feel three weeks is peaking, perfect. now he is going to have to hit as hard as bush all three weeks
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:01 PM
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11. I have been wondering about this on some level.
He basically needs to run out the clock. I think the Bushies will be even more dangerous when they are backed further into a corner. Bush has no upward mobility and there is no reason to vote for him unless you are a bible thumping fundie who disregards reality.

Kerry has to continue to make his case. Hopefully he has one real big attack left in him. Bush has nothing but to attack. That's why Kerry wins the debates. He has something to offer.
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baltodemvet Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:07 PM
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12. We need to INCREASE the lead--not 'hold' it
We need to keep fighting--right through to 11/3. Squeeking by ain't good enough. We need to win BIG! Like it says below, "We need to REPUDIATE the Bush Administration"
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helpisontheway Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:30 PM
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13. Slam the Bush administration
every chance he can get. He needs to HIRE Carville for the remainder of the campaign. THEN hit Bush with all of his idiotic things. I would have a commercial out with him looking all around and LAUGHING saying that he could not find the WMD's. We have troops dying on the ground and he is laughing because he can't find the WMD's which were the reason he gave for going to Iraq?!?! I would nail him with all the other idiotic things he has done (plenty to choose from). I would nail him with his reaction (or inaction) after being told we were under attack. If the Bush administration wants to fight dirty then we have to meet them there. Unfortunatly, nice people LOSE when going up against people like Rove.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 07:31 PM
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14. If Kerry keeps the Chimperor on the defensive, he'll win easily.
Kerry just needs to keep hammering away at Iraq, domestic policy failures, and Bush*s absence from reality.

The impact of the debates will last until the last week of October. If Bush* slips up again, even longer.
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