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Mon Oct-11-04 08:15 PM
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Maybe I'm naive but I'm not too worried about this Sinclair deal... |
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I think it's pure fucking sleaze, but ultimately no different than what goes on in the news media every day. My feeling is that Kerry has weathered all of that pure and unadulterated bullshit and is still running ahead or even with a sitting president who has been puffed up and ass-kissed by the media non-stop for the past 4 years. Can a stupid movie airing in some markets really do that much damage? Are there any people left who DON'T know what he did after the Vietnam war and/or already know how they feel about it?
I do think it sucks and I do think we should speak out, but I honestly don't think it will tip the election either way at this point.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:18 PM
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America already knows all about this BS.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:19 PM
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2. i'm not terribly worried either... |
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I just KNOW that if Michael Moore's "news event" were going to air for FREE ion 62 stations they MIGHT have an issue with it...seems pretty sad that a liberal monopoly is not in place to allow that to happen..but if the tables were turned..they would cry like wittle babies
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:19 PM
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3. Well Sinclair owns the WB station down here in Tampa |
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So I'm not too worried either - at least not as worried as I would be if it was one of the major networks.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:20 PM
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Let 'em have their little movie. It's not going to bring new votes into chimpy's camp, nor save the votes he's lost already.
Kerry/Edwards Landslide. Believe it.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:21 PM
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5. I agree, it's not a big deal |
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When are they running this again?
Oppostie the World Series? Opposite Joey?
No one is going to watch this.
At least no one who isn't already a freeper anyway.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:21 PM
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6. Bet a dollar to a doughnut that those stations that run it will only hear |
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the clicking of the remote while most of their viewers say "oh, shit show X isn't being shown tonight for some goddamn political shit...what's on the other stations...damn, I wanted to see X tonight...these goddamn local yocals". In a word, only the respective choirs will be watching. That's why it's best if it just died on the vine. Unfortunately, every news media will hype it because it's their last chance to get Bush elected. But, I truly don't think anyone will care. You see, in the states where they need to sway people, these people have already been drowned by the Swiftboat ads, one of which is doing the "his protests meant prisoners were tortured" routine (and there have been prisoners who have debunked that). So it's not showing those states anything new.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:21 PM
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7. I'm glad it has already been labeled propaganda (on CNN today!) |
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Fortunately the film has a very limited run on Sinclair stations where many viewers are sick and tired already over Mark Hyman's rampage of over-the-top editorials slamming Kerry and Sinclair's refusal to show the Nightline tribute to the soldiers.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:26 PM
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11. wishlist--regarding Mark Hyman and my local station |
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I didn't even know he was with the Sinclair people; I thought he was some local idiot. I sent them a scathing e-mail and got one back where the station (in an area that is quite Dem) was urging me not to judge them and that it had nothing to do with their reporting and their reporting of news was always good and balanced, etc. The local station is sweating these editorials they have to run. I also e-mailed the Kerry campaign locally and the head of our Dem Party in the state, etc. I asked them to look into this assholes comments in a 527 manner....did this crap violate campaign law disguised as an 'editorial'.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:21 PM
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Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:22 PM by sonicx
A movie form our side should be allowed to air on network tv too.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:22 PM
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9. You are Naive. Just like SmearVets Ad, The RW media will magnify this |
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to major propaganda effect. I does not really matter what Dems do, unless they are able to counter with equivalent bomb blast.
Legal moves are really irrelevant -- nothing will be "ruled" until after Nov 2.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:23 PM
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10. You must not be the wife or a VN Vet with PTSD...We have to |
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live in this outrage of trauma !
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:27 PM
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12. This is basically a big GOTV for the Repug base. Treat this seriously (nt) |
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Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:28 PM by w4rma
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:28 PM
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13. I agree....Kerry's innocculated from this. |
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He's weathered the Shit Boat Liars controversy OK.....the more people look and compare, the more they know the score on Bush and Kerry's 20's and 30's......the contrast couldn't be greater. Kerry's won on the strength of the debates. He is the real deal, Bush looks like the imposter that he is. Kerry will finish Bush in the last debate, if Bush doesn't self-immolate on stage.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:30 PM
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14. Glad You Posted This, If This IS The Oct. Surprise... |
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:30 PM
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how much of an effect it will have. Senator Kerry certainly is shining right now.
But I don't like it one bit and it could (possibly) hurt. -- Similar things have done so.
Moreover, getting "activists" (re)acquainted with the use of "economic tools" can't hurt much -- as long as it doesn't detract from other work.
We are going to need those "economic tools".
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:32 PM
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16. I thought the same thing about swift boats |
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I didn't think any thinking American would give them the time of day. Then the polls started dropping. I don't know why people wouldn't be up in arms about their regular programming being interrupted to such a degree that it would backfire on him.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:32 PM
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17. This is about more than Senator John Kerry. |
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Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 08:39 PM by 94114_San_Francisco
Sinclair Broadcasting Group has blatantly crossed the line from journalism to fascism (corporatism). They may as well have declared themselves the Ministry of Propaganda with Hyman playing the role of Goering...
I find this entire matter chilling and prescient of 'potential' future events (if the worst happens on 11/2).
edit: clarity
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:33 PM
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18. I agree. In fact I think it creates opportunitues for us |
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It's energizing our troops It will turn off the undecideds and even moderates (And Kerry's refusal to get down in the gutter with Bush will pay off.) It creates a situation in which all eyes will be on Kerry to respond--he'll have the last word.
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Mon Oct-11-04 08:39 PM
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19. i think because it's not really anything new and rather an extention of |
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the swift boat attack ads, there is a lack of "surprise" element to it.
the people who are going to be affected by it probably already have been from those tv ads.
it would be a much different thing if they were "exposing" something entirely different and it involved something he did more recently as a politician rather than years ago in his 20's .
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