in the face of the 2000 coup

[leftofthedial]

and the consolidation of corporate, security and media power in Oceania, er the US,


is this election campaign really just a big smokescreen to make us think we still live in a democratic republic? Is the fix in? I don't see how half of Murkans can support a multiple felon traitorous liar sociopath who has failed at EVERYTHING he has touched.

Something stinks big time.

[cheshire]

1. You need a dose of clarity and hope. Good luck

[LosinIt]

2. totally agree, do you know ANYONE who has switched TO Bush??

so how can it be a tie?

[flordehinojos]

3. Yes. I think of it as a big smokescreen to make us think we still live in

a democratic republic. There are going to be a lot of people shocked and awed when they wake up to the sad reality that a felonious sociopathic family now owns the United States and the rest of us in it as their vassals.

[MatrixEscape]

4. You have a good point ...

But it is NOT one that the faithful are ready for yet. Sorry.

That point is still going to be looked at as a conspiratorial delusion by even the most left of the left.

How could you, in a deluded fantasy, sum it up?

Well, it would be kind of Illuminati in flavor. That is, we are all being manipulated by greater powers that hide behind the idea that conspiracies like these are too bizarre to consider for the average mind.

It might go like this, in an Orwellian, Immanuel Goldstein kind of way:

The two parties are only factions of the same tool = power as owned by wealth. They create and control the system you live in, in every way, shape and form. Because it is beyond belief to you that they could do so, you are easily manipulated by its outward manifestations and symbols. You cannot transcend the means that create your reality because you do not have access to the overall facts concerning it.

So, the whole Bush 2000 debacle becomes a playing piece in a game that leads you to the next phase that is lead by Kerry. Bush creates the doctrines and stage that calls out the people who are expected to rebel against it, while the Patriot Act(s) design the outcome of their reactions. They are now on lists for future reference by the Powers that Be.

Kerry wins, but that is only a part of the game as is scripted by Big Brother who really pulls the strings. The Elite know that they are only creating a facade that will bring the Left into their web, which is only about power via money.

O'Brien has created his book of revolution for the Liberals who have now clearly noted their inner tendencies. The Right is of no concern to the Party because they can be counted on to simply believe and follow and parrot what they are told. Their disappointment with a Democrat's win are more easily dealt with. It is the Moderates, Liberals, and Progressives, who have been played in the supreme, well thought out, Fascist, corporate game of World Conquest.

After the Kerry win, the Corporate Elites continue to use their owned media and the well payed for psychological understanding of the Human Condition to march even closer to an impenetrable Political Oligarchy that utilizes the combined economic and military power of the United States to enslave all of mankind for centuries to come. That would translate as the ultimate orgasm of power in ways that most common people would never be able to comprehend. Slavery would be chump change in relation to it.

It would be a win-win situation in that respect, no matter who wins the election Elections are just a facade for the underlying power.. Too much money and power in too few hands is too hard to resist. It is better than sex. This is the best time for Elitist power in history. You get the cake and can eat it too. You have technology to create your own utopia and masses of human beings to exploit mercilessly in the process. You can watch them all and have total invasion of their privacy while they are oblivious to your actions and intents. You can look forward to avoiding aging and the science of immortality while they die off in vast numbers in financial service to your estate.

Big Brother is becoming a simplistic chump compared to the more astounding reality of what is going on now with the immense power that technology is birthing. The little man has only a hint of a hope of challenging that behemoth as it emerges from its corporate womb.

The mighty shall rule and conquer if the serfs doth obey them in their chosen field and game. Who can make war with the BEAST?

Bush, the "uniter" divided us for purpose and function because, if the Right and Left united they could overthrow the VAST oppressor. He is clearly no more than a puppet in that respect, but so are we all. We would all have a problem with gettin our heads around that. A house divded SHALL fall. The wealthy and powerful will always win in that repsect, and you won't see it coming. It is too wild an conspiratorial to consider in today's climate!

[leftofthedial]

5. I don't think they have that kind of power yet

and I'm not convinced that there is a particular group of specific individuals "in control."

I believe that media have been used to manipulate the population and to spread disinformation favorable to corporatists and oligarchs acting in their own interests, which though convergent, are not identical.

This isn't 1984 yet.

I don't believe Kerry and Bush are both completely equivalent puppets under the control of the same masters. By definition, anyone in the power elite in the US is strongly influenced by those who represent entrenched financial and political power. So there is influence, but, I do not believe, control.

But I do believe that one of the following statements must be true:

1. We are being manipulated by grossly inaccurate reporting of the "horse race" in order to keep us from questioning a close outcome that can be "gamed" the way the 2000 coup was (whether this is politically motivated or just an attempt to ensure strong ratings through the election is irrelevant--the effect is the same)

OR

2. Media and other intentional social manipulations have created a huge percentage of the population who are now, in effect, delusional and irrational.

I also believe Kerry has to "win" the election, even if the outcome is corrupted as it was in 2000, in order to expose that corruption. Another fraudulent nonelection will be proof to me that this country is no longer governed by the rule of law.

It will be time to do something besides talk.

[LosinIt]

6. or perhaps shades of both of the above

people can't fathom that their government could possibly do anything like that and the media is being used to pacify us when they again steal the White House.

[vetwife]

7. I have thought for some time that Republicans did a Coup

back in 2000 but I am still voting and working for Kerry's campaign but if this one goes to Bush I won't vote again.

[leftofthedial]

8. will you just give up?

and live under an increasingly repressive regime

or express opposition somehow

[LosinIt]

10. not sure exactly what I'll do but I'll have to do something

[vetwife]

11. I never give up..But don't know what I would do.

[leftofthedial]

13. fight fascism at every turn

without rest

it's the only one can do and still keep one's soul.

[demokatgurrl]

9. In Florida, the fix is in. Elsewhere.... some hope I think. n/t

[kaitykaity]

12. Half of 'Muikans don't really I think support *.

His base support him fanatically, but I think
the middle is going to break to our side.

It also helps the media if it's a horse race.

So...