Kerry's sitting on something for Oct 20th

[PretzelWarrior]

I am so stoked. You guys need to know that several of Kerry's advisers such as Rand Beers have a tremendous web of informants and insider information.

You need to know that some of this stuff has been hanging in the wings for the late push. It has to do with specifics on Iraq money.

Be prepared for next week. The sh!t will hit the fan

[saltpoint]

1. Hope this is true.

And I wouldn't be too surprised to hear Dick F. Cheney's name mentioned, or maybe Richard Perle's.

The number of sheer creeps running U.S. foreign policy right now is frightening.

[Peanut Gallery]

58. and many of them unelected creeps

Maybe some reforms are needed in this area. Think tanks should not be driving foreign policy, especially when there aren't any checks and balances in place for them.

[saltpoint]

74. I'm with you on this &

owe you a cold beer for saying it. Thanks -- and register as many like-minded people you know between now and Nov. 2nd.

[evilqueen]

I will hope.

I do know that information has been skimmed from both here and the K/E forums and used in the debates.

I have also thought for a long time that those of us that do background research (I count myself in that group) should have a place to continue that research where the info wouldn't just scroll away and be impossible to find again. I am also thinking it should be invitation only, for matters of "security" if you know what I mean. *grins*

[PretzelWarrior]

5. I believe I do know what you mean. I'm hoping to get more info

on this. I would be happy to let people know more by late in week. Here's the deal: the name Chalabi also figures into the mix. Believe me...Chalabi, the French, money, and deals on foreign policy make a bad mix.

[evilqueen]

6. Chalabi isn't the only problem. n/t

[bush equals idiot]

13. Shit Allawi is just another Bush puppet

they put in Iraq to replace their last felon, Chalabi. It cracks me up that they're using him as evidence things are going splendid in Iraq. LOL

[evilqueen]

14. Allawi is Chalabi's cousin... what does that tell you? n/t

[daria_g]

16. Cool.. thanks

I've been wondering. I usually post only over at teh DAILY KOS but read here often.. there's been some worries about October surprises from Rove & today I had replied that probably Kerry's people (Beers et al) know more dirt on Bush than they're letting on.

Would that mix also include Texas Republicans and Oil for Food, for instance? Enron and Halliburton? Hmm.. There are so many puzzle pieces on brewing scandals (Plame, Enron, Delay, Halliburton etc.) and I can't figure out what is what and which ones are connected. Please post updates as you have them.

[evilqueen]

24. Sometimes I think we need one of those gigantic whiteboard things.

So many names, so many strange snippets of info. It's hard to see how it all connects.

[colonel odis]

29. more like the spinner thing on wheel of fortune

with categories ranging from bush's cocaine daze to cheney/halliburton's involvement in the oil-for-food scams.

just spin and see how big the penalty will be.

[txindy]

40. Good point. I think that's one reason why F 9/11 was so powerful.

It took the place of an animated whiteboard. Knowing all the pieces didn't make nearly the impact of seeing it all put together. For me, anyway.

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

53. I have to agree

We bought the DVD Sunday and played it for some friends. One sat there with his mouth hanging open. Never heard most of what was presented. We bought the movie to lend out to friends and acquaintances so they could see what we've been talking about for the past year. It makes a devastating case against GWB and the rest of the Texas mafia.

[bush equals idiot]

2. I said before

that I'd heard there were going to be some major shoes under somebody's bed that ain't supposed to be there. Just before the election and it von't be good news for her-Bushenstein.

[aquart]

9. Okay, now I see George and Osama waking up together.

They were sleeping spoons.

[sonicx]

3. interesting

[shivaji]

4. I am worried about Osama "found" around that time....

it gives me the creeps.

[demokatgurrl]

26. I almost think "finding" Osama

wouldn't work any more. It would just be too bloody obvious that they've had him all along.

[Francine Frensky]

72. What if Osama is "found" while JK is sworn in???

A little tit for tat from that stunt Reagan pulled with the arms for hostages.

Nice to dream about, but unrealistic....

I do hope Osama is found, but remember, even if he is, at this point, given that he has been free for so long and probably laid down so many evil plans, we would only be able to eliminate a little of the damage he could cause, and also, it would make him a "hero" to more middle easterners, or a martyr, if he was killed by the US.

Catching Osama isn't as big a deal as shutting down his organization.

[neomonkey]

7. What is the significance of that date?

I've heard it tossed about but a search turned up nothing for me.

[MaineDem]

23. That's my question, too

The third debate is tomorrow. I know of nothing planned for the 20th.

:shrug:

[soothsayer]

28. My wedding anniv? Sweetest Day? A week after the last debate?

Dunno.

[Andromeda]

8. Give us a hint?

.

[evilqueen]

12. My guess at this point has to do with Cheney. n/t

[Lord_StarFyre]

10. Please let it be

...A torpedoe that will sink the Bush machine once and for all.

Make it big enough that we'll NEVER be subjected to Bush/Reagan Retreads, or anyone else named Bush EVER sitting in the Oval Office EVER again!

[ronnykmarshall]

48. Well they won't be sitting in the Oval Office ...

but they might be cleaning it.

Community service, ya know.

[GimmeDANEger]

11. Don't give us any more hints!!

we can't jeapordize whatever is going to happen on the 20th!

[loudsue]

15. Don't get too excited....the networks will NEVER cover it well enough

They'll be too busy covering the Sinclair problems airing the anti-Kerry film. The neocons and their media will do ANYTHING to stay in power.

This is a tougher fight than a few "facts" can fix. I hope Kerry's team realizes this. Just staying the course and staying on message is what may get them elected, and jumping on every lie, like a chicken on a June bug.

All of us know that there are HUNDREDS of facts about this administration that should put every single one of them in jail for life. THAT isn't what the media reports. And if the media doesn't report it, then it NEVER HAPPENED for about 1/2 of this country.

Unless Kerry drops it all on bush during the next debate, it's not going to be loud enough to help. Only the new "fact-check" fad the media is experiencing (thanks to Cheney bringing it up) will save the day for Kerry, and THAT helps only as far as the debates go.

If Kerry doesn't say it -- loudly -- during a debate, it won't get heard between now and the election. The media is going to give the last couple of weeks to the neocons. Bank on it. Their jobs depend on it.

And Kerry had better be DAMNED CAREFUL that Rove isn't behind his information!!! That would be Rove's ULTIMATE October Surprise!!! Kerry would be dead in the water if he got Dan Rathered at this late date.

These are criminals we're dealing with, and they'll stop at NOTHING!!

:kick::kick::kick::kick:

[txindy]

42. If anyone is behind Iraqi info. at this point I would imagine it's the CIA

The agency wants this administration GONE. I've been kind of wondering why they haven't dug up more info. on the myriad ties between the individuals in this admin. and Hussein/Halliburton/Enron/Iran/etc., but I suppose it isn't about lack of information, at all. It's about the timing of the dissemination of that information. The 20th of Oct. leaves less than two weeks until the election, just enough time for the implications of all the info. to be spread through the media and begin to be grasped by the voting public. I think. :shrug: We'll see!

[progdonkey]

17. Are you talking about the third debate?

That's on Oct. 13th; this Wednesday.

[Carla in Ca]

18. This is a good one

<http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/6335627.htm>

<snip>


Trevor Francis, a Commerce Department spokesman, said the people at the department who worked with the Cheney task force were not available. He said he was not familiar with the papers and referred questions to Cheney's office.

How would have ever guessed that Judicial Watch and The Sierra Club would team up for anything...miracles do happen.

[Fluffdaddy]

19. COOL . Lets play Hardball

[liberal N proud]

20. I heard months ago, there was some big implications but no one would give

details.
I have kept my hope high for indictments.

[shelley806]

21. Long overdue, but how sweet it would be

Read Scoop Media article, posted yesterday, titled "Under Cheney, Haliburton Helped Suddam Hussein Siphon Billions from Oil-for-Food Program." Cheney has denied repeatedly that Halliburton had anything to do with Iraq under Saddam Hussein's power and when he was CEO. Once again, caught in a lie. Maybe this new investigation will once again try to obtain the contents of the Cheney Energy Task Force. Sadly, it will probably prove what many of us have suspected for so long--we went to war because of oil. Our young noble men died because of oil. The link to the Scoop media paper is on DU site. (I can't copy and paste-links or article or anything on these messages....what am I missing? Is there a trick to it?)

[Stephanie]

33. HI shelley - welcome to DU

What's the problem you're having? You should be able to right-click and "copy link location", then right-click in your post to paste. DU does not require any HTML to format a link - just paste it.

[Hekate]

22. There's almost no time left...

...before the election to have a major breaking story that actually gets reported all over television (where, I deeply regret to say, is where it matters). There's almost no time left for indictments, especially since the GOP controls all three branches of the government just now.

I am fatigued with rumors and waiting for rumors to turn into meaningful action against this administration by people who can do something about it...

Let's just keep working on getting out the vote, and watching the polling places, and hoping for an Electoral College Kerry landslide from this evenly divided nation.

Hekate

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Cheney, Halliburton and the food for oil program?

Whatever it is, I hope the chimp and the cabal are DIRECTLY connected. Otherwise, it won't stick and they will get away with it.

[strizi64]

27. I agree, weak spot is Cheney/Halliburton n/t

[Carni]

39. Yeah but what will THAT DO? It'd just give him a reason to dump Cheney

Cheney isn't well liked with anyone but the neo-con men IMO the WORST thing that could happen would be for Bush to bring in Gulliani
(which I have thought he would do for quite some time)
Cheney isn't going willingly and this would give the chimp his opportunity.

Whatever this "big thing" is it had better be directly tied to boy blunder and not just to big Dick and Halliburton!

JMO

[txindy]

41. Junior would never dump Cheney.

Not three weeks before the election. Not ever. First of all, Dick knows waaay too much. Second, Junior doesn't make mistakes. Not little ones and certainly not in the choice for VP. No, it's Dickie or no one. I'd prefer the latter, but they apparently never got my memo on the subject. ;)

[kimpossible]

31. Cheney / Halliburton / Oil-For-Food thread:

Head on over to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1037170

[cthrumatrix]

47. BINGO......that was my thought as well

[ronnykmarshall]

49. Hmmmmmm that would be interesting.

Big ol' scandal with Unka Dick in the middle of it.

[RoyalWickedness]

30. Well, I'm not gonna hold my breath,

but Kerry is a "detail man" and damned good at following the money...remember BCCI?

[endnote]

32. So, is that the Kerry October surprise ?

[helpisontheway]

34. If this is true it is

silly of them to leak it out in advance. You are supposed to just spring it on them and not give them advanced notice.

[Clinton Crusader]

35. Pray tell, how do you know this???

:thumbsup:
:kick:

[deckerd]

36. What a stupid thing to say in public

It's one thing to publish details of the latest crimes of the
Administration here on DU. The ratio of risk to reward would
be too great for Rove to rebut as-yet-unpublished allegations.

But to give an exact date when those allegations would be published,
well, that just gives Karl Rove an OCTOBER 19TH deadline to release
his own October Surprise.

Surely the Kerry Camp is aware of this??

Suggestion: unless you're seeding disinfo on behalf of either camp,
don't post any info here that you would not choose to personally
disseminate on FR.....

[Carni]

37. Please tell me you are serious and know something

I have been bummed more than a few times when these threads are posted (not by you... I mean by whoever) and then nothing comes to pass!

[txindy]

38. I hope you're right.

I'll look forward to it. If it doesn't come about, I know that SOMETHING will. There is always something with Junior's crowd. ;)

[gauguin57]

43. Well Hell's Bells ...

... if we could just get all the networks to do a show or a news segment about PNAC ... I mean REALLY do a show that would make people realize that the Iraq War had NOT ONE BLOODY FREAKING THING TO DO WITH 9/11 -- that the invasion has been in the planning stages since 1998!!! ... that would certainly sway some undecideds.

1998. I mean, really. These 43 percent (or whatever they're saying now) of voting-age people who believe that Saddam did 9/11? Don't you think that would wake a few of them up? If they realized the V.P. of the U.S. and Bush's top advisers were all in on this plot since back in 1998?

And just play those two clips from F-9/11 -- where Condi and Colin said a few months before 9/11 that Saddam had NOTHIN'! No weapons, no army. They said it ON CAMERA -- no confusion about that.

[Bleacher Creature]

44. Whatever !@$#

Nothing personal, but I've learned my lesson not to get too excited over these types of posts.

[realcountrymusic]

46. A live boy or a dead girl

is what it would take, to paraphrase a great Louisianan.

Americans do not have the attention span to follow any allegation or even proven fact that takes more than three steps to explain and that does not come accompanied with sordid visual imagery. Don't count on it, even if they have something of a "Cheney helped Saddam steal money" sort.

The only hope would be for Kerry to spring it IN THE F**KING DEBATE -- right at W, and make W sputter and stammer and deny and then be proven a liar. That would have some effect. But these guys are playing it too careful to take a risk like that, which is in my opinion a mistake. We either win this one by 5 or more points going away or they'll steal it from under our asses again.

RCM

[meow2u3]

55. Don't give me any ideas :evilgrin:

A live boy or a dead girl is what it would take, to paraphrase a great Louisianan

What about the idea that Bush molested a boy in the basement of the White House? :evilgrin: OOPS! That wouldn't go over well; besides, it's too obvious that it was made up :silly:

[AnnInLa]

66. Are you referring to my Eddie?

I heard that quote just a tad differently...but not posting it here.

[lancdem]

45. I hope you're right

[Lerkfish]

50. everyone in the Bush administration deserves to be in orange jumpsuits

picking up garbage by the side of the road.

For just the stuff we KNOW about. Imagine if Clinton had decades long relationship with a leader of a foreign nation who gave hime 1.5 billion dollars over a decade, set up his father in a cush job for their corp who made tanks used by the US military so that they stood to profit from war, and then Clinton markered out any reference to that country in the 9/11 report, even though all information leads to them being behind the attack?

We would have seen our first public disembowellment of a standing president. and I don't mean metaphorically.

[underpants]

51. Again-What is with October 20th? Why that day?

Anyone?

[evilqueen]

52. No idea.

I don't know the significance of that date.

I do know, however, that in almost everything I've been digging through, I see CIA ties almost everywhere. Saddam and Osama and Bush Sr. and myriad others all tied to the CIA.

I'd love to pick Seymour Hersh's brain on all of this.

[Love Bug]

54. Too late to replace Cheney's name on a ballot?

I'm just guessing here, but if something happens less than two weeks before the election, wouldn't it be too late to replace a name on the ballot? That way, they can't replace Cheney with Guiliani (really wild speculation, here).

Edit: frankly, unless they have blue-dress proof Cheney's been screwing a goat or something, I can't think of any reason why he would resign, especially at this stage. But I can dream, can't I?

[Catfight]

56. I hope it's not another Rove implant to look like fools! n/t

[evilqueen]

57. Rove cannot possibly be everywhere at every time.

I think people give this little squirrel too much credit and I think he loves all the attention. Even squirrels make mistakes.

[ArkDem]

64. Rove has implants?

[pa28]

59. Is this like the way we played "hardball" with the Plame crimes?

I really do hope we have the guts to (finally) call these felons out. Not holding my breath though.

[ROH]

60. October Surprise?

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/category.asp?id=41

Any comments on the latest posting on that webpage?

[Rockholm]

62. Utterly Horrifying if true.

Think the folks in the Middle East hate us now....just wait.

[geek tragedy]

63. Nazi website.

Probably a lie.

(I refuse to follow the link. I don't want that filth on my computer.)

[bear425]

65. Ok, so should YOU email that to the Iranians to warn them? n/t

[molly]

61. Anything to do with Oil for Food?

[bush equals idiot]

69. Andrea Mitchell on Saturday Hardball

said there is news coming that hasn't been released yet on the oil for food. Matthews asked her is it going to be bad for D or R? She said R and raised her eyebrows, as if to say this is not going to look good.

Best part, she said it on the "tell me something I don't know" segement.

[molly]

71. Yes, I saw that and I've been waiting not too patiently

[AnnInLa]

67. I think repugs are dug in and will forgive any

scandal pertaining to Iraq. The want bush* re-selected at all costs. I can't even imagine a scandal big enough to change repug votes. It's no longer about Iraq with them, it's about power. They will vote bush* to feel part of the power structure.

[Love Bug]

73. Sadly, I agree

The Boosh faithful just don't care about the stuff he does--for the most part they agree with him. Unless it involves a blue dress, there is no way the Boosh faithful will abandon him at this late date.

[brentspeak]

68. I don't understand the reason for your thread

If Kerry really does have some great trick up his sleeve for Oct.20, revealing it here to the whole world provides the GOP with the head's-up on how to counter it in some way, even if they don't know the exact nature of the information.

And teasing everyone here with the promise of some big surprise, which you won't reveal, does nothing but create useless suspense, which oftentimes turns out to be a huge disappointment.

[PretzelWarrior]

70. Be patient. Really. I agree that posting it was probably not good

tactics. but I wanted to throw a bone to folks who are angry at how things seem log-jammed between Bush and Kerry with no real significant movement toward Kerry despite bad news on economy, Iraq, and horrible debate performance by the Shrub.

So...I can understand why you don't want to get your hopes up. But I guarantee if anyone in GOP is reading and passing this along they will only be able to do so much to control the reaction.

sort of like....a company is caught in fraud. yeah, they can spin it...but ultimately it destroys or drastically weakens the company.

[AVID]

75. hope so!!!