PALPAC asks Brad Carson to pull hateful ad

[yelladawg]

Even PALPAC, the most liberal group in Oklahoma is fed up with Brad Carson and his right wing stance. This e-mail is being posted and sent to as many people who will read it.
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Friends:

Many of us who identify as moderate to progressive in Oklahoma have had to deal with the reality that Brad Carson has chosen to run as a conservative in Oklahoma. We understand that despite the fact that he is not with many of us on important Democratic issues, he still is a better choice to represent us in the United States Senate than Tom Coburn.

However, the Carson campaign has clearly crossed a line of decency with their latest TV ad. In the Ad., Brad Carson’s wife insinuates that when Tom Coburn calls her husband “a liberal”, that it’s just as bad as when Coburn calls him “evil”. This message is offensive and disrespectful to the many liberal Oklahomans who have been willing to support Brad Carson despite his politics not always aligning with the issues and principles of the progressive community.

Please call the Carson campaign headquarters and demand that they pull this advertisement immediately. Their number is 1-866-897-2723, and press ZERO for the operator

Many of us are willing to adapt and compromise to get the more qualified candidate in this race elected to the Senate, but we will not stand for our own political identity being demonized by someone who expects us to support him.

Call the Carson Campaign immediately, 1-866-897-2723, and press ZERO for the operator.



Thank You,


PALPAC (Progressive Alliance Political Action Committee)

[geek tragedy]

1. Do you have a link to this ad?

I've seen the one where they discuss the "evil" comment, but not one where she compares "evil" and "liberal."

[yelladawg]

5. Carson has yet to put it on his website

Carson has yet to put it on his website

[karlrschneider]

12. It's been running 2 or 3 times an hour in Tulsa for a few days, I didn't

tape it but BC's wife says something like "Tom Coburn has called Brad, evil, dishonest, and liberal...I don't know which is worse" (not certain about 'dishonest', I'll edit if I see it again in time)...Carson then goes on to talk about "Tom knows I'm none of those things..I broke with my party to keep Gawd in the pledge, (a second thing I forget), and to stop gay marriage."

[Awsi Dooger]

2. What a difference between Carson and the last Oklahoma Dem I rooted for

Brad Henry was always smiling and upbeat in the 2002 gov race vs. Largent and the third party guy. He actually sounded like a Democrat in CSPAN debates and I pulled for him as much as any Democrat that night.

As others have indicated, when I turned on Meet The Press two Sundays ago if I hadn't known what Carson looked like I would have sworn he was Coburn. Every policy he emphasized plus the constant attack mode screamed as GOP. Plus he always looks so damn stern. I trust others who emphasize his voting record is not far right, but after watching two debates with Coburn it's hardly surprising Carson could put out such an ad, or that he has a wife who made a comparison like that.

[geek tragedy]

3. Carson has the National Rethugs running horrible racist ads against him

The SOB's are throwing everything they have at him.

We're talking about control of the US Senate here--so both sides are going to do whatever it takes.

I'm still going to withhold judgment on this issue until I see the actual ad. Carson's website doesn't have an ad matching the description of the ad complained about here.

[Awsi Dooger]

4. I have no doubt about that

Control of the senate, that's why I'm watching all the debates on CSPAN and checking out local online newspapers.

The temperature of this race was obvious in both debates I watched. I'm in Nevada and have seen the GOP attack ads against Harry Reid and Richard Bryan for a decade+, although Reid is so far ahead this year it's been a mute race. Carson is a bulldog and never hesitates upon reply, always pointed and effective. That Salazar/Coors debate on Meet The Press yesterday was comparitively incompetent. It didn't even seem senate caliber, especially Coors.

I know the realities of Oklahoma politics well enough, especially in a presidential year, to understand the type of Democrat who has a chance.I still think Brad Henry would have lost in 2002 without the huge swipe from that 3rd party former Republican (Richardson?), despite surveys that indicated he hurt Henry more than Largent.

[deckerd]

6. Salazar denounced Coors as a fifh columnist for opposing the death penalty

Because of Coors' principled opposition to the death penalty (!)

and his company sponsorng a Gay Pride festival in Denver, Colorado,

These are the two issues Salazar has chosen to hammer on.

In other words, Blue Dog Dems are running economic conservatives
for office, and now the economic conservatives are repositioning
themselves as extreme social conservatives to get elected.

Although I have to say the Gay Pride scandal strikes me as poetic
justice for the National Republican party.

Attacking Coors for his opposition to the death penalty is flat-out WRONG and would be enough to keep me from supporting Salazar then and there if I were a Coloradan. At least Coors is honest and up-front about putting Bin Laden in a jail cell -- unlike the wishy-washy, economically conservative, DLC crowd.

How many of these guys are wolves in sheeps' clothing, future
Dixiecrats who are running, like Bloomberg, purely to find an
open primary??

[RummyTheDummy]

7. This poster has been revealed to be a Repug

Someone who knows him personally outed him last night on another thread. He supposedly runs a "veterans" group in Oklahoma that claims Carson snubbed them.

Sounds like a set-up to me. I smell Rove.

[geek tragedy]

8. This poster also was banned here before--why is he here now?

He also thinks that "the Jews" will control Carson if elected.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=173&topic_id=64#71

[yelladawg]

11. I don't think so, just one more rumour

I don't think so.

[RummyTheDummy]

14. Ahhhh an anti-semite as well

Good catch Greek.

And on edit: Yella or Rusty Goodman actively supported Democrat Dan Boren for congress. He is the son of ultra right leaning and slimy former US Sen. David Boren. Dan Boren is --gasp--pro life!

[AntiCoup2K4]

18. I wasn't aware Oklahoma had a large Jewish population

...which "Jews" were supposed to be controlling him? :shrug:

[yelladawg]

10. Rummy the letter posted above is from a liberal group

Rummy the letter posted above is from a liberal group, not from me.

[RummyTheDummy]

13. I don't care if it's from Brad Carson himself

You have proved yourself to be a loon, and therefore completely unreliable.

[yelladawg]

15. So...

So if someone else posted the above e-mail from the most liberal group in Oklahoma, it would be valid?

Just because I posted a valid e-mail that is now all over the internet, it is unreliable?

[RummyTheDummy]

16. Never heard of the group

And the fact YOU of all people are trumpeting it as some sort of meaningful discourse makes it questionable at best.

Just vote for Coburn. Don't vote. What do you think you are possibly gaining here besides making Oklahomans look bad with your lunacy.

[dolstein]

9. Why shouldn't Carson run as a conservative in Oklahoma?

Brad Henry certainly didn't run as a liberal. And unlike Henry, Carson won't be able to get elected with only 40% of the vote.

I've looked at Carson's voting record and interest group ratings. He'd certainly be among the most conservative Democrats in the Senate. Indeed, with Zell Miller and John Breaux retiring, he might very well be THE most conservative Democrat (only Ben Neslon would be close). But guess what? A conservative Democrat is better than a conservative Republican, paricularly where control of the Senate was at stake. Hell, I'd even be happy to have Zell Miller in the Senate a few more years if his presence gave Democrats control of the chamber.

[Bandit]

17. Personally I would rather have the devil I know than a hidden one

I would not mind the republican winning this one. I hate Democrats who really aren't. They are LIARS and do tremendous harm to our cause. They side with the enemy all the time and spill everything they know. I would rather have an evil son of a bitch I can rail against and fight on legitimate grounds than a turncoat who will stab you in the back at first opportunity. Fuck the Zell Millers and Brad Carsons of the world. We will win the Senate without this prick.