Dr. posts W* Wired, but not for Sound

[BQueen]

On Morning Sedition yesterday, both hosts (who have also been lamenting the red herring of the 'bulge' non-issue) said that W was exhibiting a trait clearly identified with coke addicts -- geeking - a jaw movement that is involuntary, and can look like grinding one's teeth to the uninitiated, but it a dead giveaway to anyone who has seen it before. Maron asked for people to send in info and this appeared on yesterday's blog: MODS - I posted in entirety because the individual later said did not mind circulation of opinions, and difficult to edit without losing full import

>>>>BUSH AND DRUG RELATED MOVEMENT DISORDER WHICH REQUIRES HIS RESIGNATION

The discussion of George Bush's facial expressions of anger, arrogance or impatience during the first and second debates hides a much more important observation which directly questions his physical and mental ability to govern and threatens to force his immediate resignation.

Handlers for the candidates established a long list of rules for the debates. One of these attempted to disallow the broadcast of simultaneous and continuous facial reactions to the other's speech - the so called 'cut-away' camera shots. Regardless of the stipulations, each candidate's face was shown on a split a screen while the other candidate spoke. George Bush's face deighted his detractors during the first debate because he showed anger, impatience or arrogance. The look during the first debate was a parody of the tight-lipped 'church lady' from Saturday Night Live. By the second debate however, handlers had convinced or retrained him to keep his mouth slightly open all the time in order to avoid the squeezing together of his upper and lower lips, which tightened his whole lower face into the grimace of a comedic mask.

During the second debate we saw his mouth held slightly open, but this slackness of his jaws allowed us to witness a new manifestation. We saw an involuntary movement disorder that is commonly associated with cocaine use: the repetitive, almost spasmodic movement of his lower jaw from the mid face position to the right and then back again. Once noticed consciously this movement disorder cannot be ignored or explained away. It is obsessive and involuntary and shows up in a very high number of chronic cocaine users. Although it superficially resembles grinding of the teeth, it is a smoother, larger and more rapid movement. In most users of cocaine who experience this manifestation of drug toxicity, once it begins to appear during a period of use of cocaine it tends to recur each and every time the user gets high again, even with minimal ingestion of cocaine. Cocaine users call this movement disorder and many of its variants "geeking" or a "geek". Continued chronic use of cocaine tends to worsen this movement disorder slowly, and as far as I know there is no way to prevent or reverse its appearance when cocaine is ingested (smoked, injected or snorted). Abstinence is usually successful at stopping the movement disorder, but I have seen a few individuals in whom it tended to become a chronic and constantly present tic. The next most common form of geeking (second to the jaw geek) seems to be looking at the floor/ground/sidewalk obsessively. In large cities around the USA you can find any number of homeless, helpless looking people staring at the ground, even while crossing a busy crosswalk. Geeking, once provoked by cocaine abuse, may be elicited by administration of stimulants such as amphetamines, 'diet pills' or diphenhydramine (Ritalin).

Involuntary jaw movements are also seen in tardive dyskinesia ( pronounced TAR-dive dis-ki-NEE-zhaz ) a condition which results from chronic administration of neuroleptic drugs, aka major tranquilizers. These drugs (e.g. Thorazine, Prolixin, Haldol, Stelazine) are exclusively used in patients diagnosed with psychotic level mental disorders. The neuroleptics stop hallucinations, delusions and paranoia when used in the short term and in the long run facilitate the reintegration of the affected psychotic individual back into society. Tardive dyskinesia usually only occurs after years of chronic use, worsens with continued use of the neuroleptic drug and tends to be permanent. The movement disorder tends to remain fixed even when the offending drug is withdrawn, but can usually be symptomatically treated successfully by one of several drugs (including injected Benadryl).

George Bush exhibited clear signs of one of these involuntary movement disorders and we should all demand to know why he has this symptom. It is as serious as if half of his face were suddenly paralyzed or if he showed up for the debates in a wheel chair. This very clearly may be reason for him to withdraw his candidacy and for the Presidency to pass to the Vice-President. This should be covered by all the major and minor news bureaus, networks and services, pursued until an answer is given, and then that answer challenged. The reason for his movement disorder MUST BE FOUND or he should resign.

So is the President a cocaine addict (again) or is he taking medications which stop his hallucinations and delusions? Personally I favor the diagnosis of cocaine abuse, because it might be simply that someone furnished him with amphetamines or diet pills to help him through the debates (maybe one of the twins). We saw several other changes in his personality during the debates such as constant movement, interrupting, non-acceptance of the rules, agitation and slowed, muddled thinking ("intelligence....... ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah...... group").

This information is verifiable with any psychiatrist or generalist. The facts are indisputable, and the movement disorder can be watched over and over again on the tape of the second debate, just like the seven minutes reading about the goat with the grade schoolers while our country was under foreign attack.

(I am a medical doctor & spent 18 years in internal medicine, general medicine and primary practice in Washington DC - treated many drug users, addicts, people in recovery and also had several close friends with similar problems. I know what I am talking about.)

Posted by: barugna at October 11, 2004 01:10 PM (EST)

Addendum to previous posting.
CORRECTION: I provided the generic name for BENADRYL (diphenhydramine)in the wrong section of my posting and said it was the same drug as RITALIN. Actually the generic or trade name for RITALIN is METHYLPHENIDATE. I apologize for the error.
ALSO: The movement disorder of the jaw is very common with all stimulants such as RITALIN, AMPHETAMINES and diet pills and can result from use of those drugs alone. Cocaine and the other stimulants as well as the neuroleptic drugs are all active at the dopamine receptors in the brain, which accounts for their effects on repetitive involuntary movements.

Posted by: barugna at October 11, 2004 01:24 PM (EST) <<<

I'm assuming that Benadryl would NOT trigger the repetitive movement.

Posted by: BQ at October 11, 2004 10:02 PM (EST)

***I had asked for clarification on the typo implications and did not get a response -- the only way they could spin the medical issues without addressing them is by claiming diphenhydramine could cause it and w has allergies or something -- on re-read the context makes it apparent that Ritalin would be needed to trigger, since injected Benadryl is one of the treatments.****

And my additional observations:

In reference to the re-post of the repetitive movement drug-related info ===

*That's* what they mean by a "geeker"! I always thought it was just the crackheads who stood outside directing potential buyers -- it would include them, apparently, they always did it for trade, and certainly had the same problem.

Funny, and I'm not exactly a babe in the woods when it comes to addict observation...this isn't something you'd necessarily know without observing hard-core addicts not trying to cover it up, something you hope your presidential candidate and his staff don't have much experience in. (I could have ID'd many people with a coke habit from the constant sniffs, snorts, tics, behaviors, etc., but I had never heard of the jaw thing.)

Someone with actual standing to press the issue needs to use this to publicly demand bush explain the lack of physical/medical reports issue. That's probably part of why they were playing up his heart-rate, etc after the big Tour de Crawford bike crash. (Which I still think was staged -- Our suspicions shall be vindicated, Riley!!)

Beyond the shameless parallels to Armstrong (now just a red-herring fringe benefit, apparently) == Wouldn't that make the sheeple think that he was healthy? And that they had "read his vital stats somewhere" even tho they had forgotten it was a self-serving press release....

It's more smoke and mirrors to get out of ANOTHER physical because of drug-related problems! OH, THE IRONY!!

Posted by: BQ at October 11, 2004 10:25 PM (EST)


I copied the original post to Tuesday's discussion, and I imagine it will be a carryover topic on the show today. You can stream at www.airamericaradio.com, or check their stations list for broadcast Show from 6a-9a. Portland rebroadcasts/streams 9-12... oh yeah, they're really funny, too. (Please post comments/research here, tho, unless it's big - an influx of excited DUers would surely overload that blog)

http://www.morningsedition.com/archives/2004/10/monday_aftermat.html

I don't have the time this morning to get into this as quickly as it needs to be gotten into. the doc says all this is readily verifiable and I wanted to get more info on w's refusal to take/allowing reporting on his physical -- It would be strange "if the two things weren't, Ya know, CONNECTED!" to paraphrase Fargo.

This would be something very easily overlooked by the campaign -- like I said, you hope they don't have much close-up experience with addicts -- but if we can give them the right questions to ask and show it to be a good trap, could be a nice October Surprise for our side.


on edit - 'sexier' headline

[murielm99]

1. Wow.

When I first saw the articles about him postponing his physical, I thought nothing of it. I thought maybe he was too busy campaigning. There were too many other issues to hit him with.

I should know better than to give * the benefit of the doubt. He is always doing something dishonest.

[BQueen]

3. Yeah, they're ALWAYS up to something

I remember thinking something smelled about the second bike crash -- Dumbya was hamming it up about how difficult the upcoming hill was, but stood up on his pedals and charged into it. Also, even tho' it's his stupid dude ranch, he tossed the broken mirror there as a "warning to others" HUH? Who else can ride there without being shot?

Besides the Armstrong comparisons about the heart-rate, I remember the AP article specifically mentioning that a Secret Service agent had broken two ribs in a crash while riding with the intrepid Preznit. I just thought they were trying to portray him as virile...but I really think this take is more Rovian...

[LibertyorDeath]

2. Many people here commented on the night of the second debate

that bush* was coked out they recognized the tell tale jaw movement.

The importance of this can not be over stated.

[BQueen]

4. I agree this is big

especially if this is something that is generally known in the medical community -- all the Dems need to know is the right questions to ask and a tape of the second debate.

Remember, it could have been from other major drugs that would also trigger the movement, but needing treatment with those is even scarier than if he's on illicit drugs, frankly.

I can't monitor/research this as closely as I like this am -- not for the next few hours anyway....keep it kicked?

[BQueen]

5. Kick

Shameless self-kick before I take out the garbage....
:kick:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. sending this to my husband

to read.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. Interesting, but this will DEMAND corroboration

Accusing a President -- even one we mock as "the pResident" -- of hiding brain damage, past drug abuse, and psychotic mental illness is a very heavy matter.

My own two-cents' worth? I'm not a psychiatrist, but I have worked in the medical field, over a ten-year period, in clinical neurophysiology and testing. I have not seen much "geeking", but what I have seen is at some variance with the report. The jaw movements can occur with anyone who has taken stimulants, even psychedelic drugs (most of which are derived from stimulants). It is especially common among Ecstasy users. But I urge caution with making a prospective diagnosis -- it also can happen in "normal" people with no previous drug exposure, licit or illicit. I assume it's in the same family as TDK (Tardive Dyskinesia) -- the result of the destruction of part of the Dopaminergic system, creating a Parkinson-like disorder. And I have seen TDK.

If Bushy has either disorder, he's hiding it very well. I have been working on the assumption that Bush's behavioral peculiarities were the result of his incredible public arrogance and internal conflicts. "Dry Drunk" syndrome could cause it, too, but I prefer to avoid making neurological diagnoses. I'd need 4 years of med school, 2 of internship, and a 4-year training program in neurology before I felt comfortable in doing so. But if you have $250,000 to lend me and can wait until 2014, we may have a deal :)

So, at the moment, I doubt that Bush has any of these disorders. I will keep an open mind to the possibility, but nothing he's done strikes me as being anything more elaborate than being an ignoramus and a jerk.

With as many reckless and weird things as Bush has done, I am surprised that no one has registered these concerns before. Religiomania is very common in recovered alcoholics, drug abusers, and even well-treated psychotics. Then again, it's unfortunately common in "normal" people, too. I didn't listen to the show, but religiomania is right up Marc Maron's alley.

This is going to take a team of very talented psychiatrists, neurologists and forensic pathologists to make the case, after they have studied hundreds of hours of footage shot on Bush in public appearances. It is not trivial by any means. But if it's true, expect the feces to meet the fan.

--bkl

[flordehinojos]

8. I've noticed Shrub's jaw movements many times before ...

I tend to favor the theory that he is suffering from tardive dyskenesia (psychotropic drugs to help him with his incredible paranoid ideation and delusional thinking). Although the man is a known addict ... this theory seems to me to make the most sense at this time. (just putting my two cents worth of nothing out there in the internets).

[soothsayer]

9. prolly had a big thing of coke taped to his back, ala midnight express!

I thought he was just seething mad, thus the jaw movement.