Bush is dividing and splitting up families ...

[Blue_Roses]

My sister and her right-wing husband are on the verge of splitting up because of their huge differences on Bush's policies and his stubbornness to not admit any wrong doing in this fiasco in Iraq. I know that may sound extreme, but Sunday morning she walked out of church and told her husband she would see him later after the preacher started pushing Bush from the pulpit and he even made the "Kerry can run but he can't hide" comment. (this preacher has contributed $2,000 to Bush's campaign)Then he went on to say what a christian man Bush was to not support abortion. My sister got in a fight with her husband while sitting there and finally just got up and walked out. Her husband thinks Bush walks on water and does no wrong, told her it was her values that needed to be put in check :eyes:

It's like a damn Jim Jones or David Koresh cult...

For someone who walks around and "touts" family values, he seems to really care less about them. By continuing to drive wedges he shows that he is a habitual divider.

[goddess40]

1. More family splits

This is Goddess40s mom. My sister and I hardly speak any more. She is a one issue voter because of abortion. She considers nothing else when she votes. I just cut off a friend because she thinks * walks on water, says he "cares for all of us." I don't want to be friends with someone that ignorant.

[goddess40]

59. My sister and I aren't speaking either

She was once a feminist but now is a born again idiot. Her husband and church make all choices for her. I'm more than slightly disgusted.

[cthrumatrix]

2. The Pope told AWOL not to invade Iraq... doesn't your preacher

read the news?

The simple question...what would Jesus do? Kill innocent people based on "ideas of urgency" OR "give peace a chance".

Bush is hi-jacking relgion as a way for people to throw out logic and common sense alternatives.

[Blue_Roses]

7. well, first of all,

he's not my preacher, 'cause I think he's a nutcase and also it's a BAPTIST church in Texas, so that speaks for itself. Baptist could care less what the Catholics think. Haven't you heard, Baptist think Catholics are doomed to hell:eyes:

[Virginian]

19. In colonial times

In colonial times, before we had our own laws, the Baptist preachers were persecuted and put in jail for preaching. They were considered a cult.
They benefited from the Constitutional right to freedom of religion, too bad they can't accept it both ways and allow others their freedom of religion as well. They prefer non-specific, non-church going, protestant Bush over faithful, consistently church going, Roman Catholic Kerry. Part of their support for Bush is religious bigotry.

[kiki]

41. I thought Bush

was a serious born-again Christian... not saying I believe it, but I've heard some left-wingers say it's the closest thing he has to an actual moral principle...

[IdaBriggs]

45. It a convenient fiction to benefit from the RW Republicans.

You can read about it any of half a dozen books on his life. He uses "God speaks to him" the same way a teenager uses "all my friends do it" to justify whatever he wants. The man is scum. :(

[kiki]

47. God "speaks

to him" eh? Crikey. Apparently there's a form of epilepsy that causes religious hallucinations (some people think there's evidence that some of the prophets could have had it)... maybe George has got that (must find out if it can be brought on by long-term cocaine abuse). The pope thinks he's the antichrist, after all...

[skygazer]

54. Sure he is

And I'm the Queen of Sheba.

I don't know a left winger anywhere who would say such a thing because every left winger I know is fully aware that he hasn't a moral principle in his entire body.

How Christian is it to mock a woman who is heading for execution?

How Christian is it to accost a man at a restaurant and spew expletives at him in front of his wife and 5 year old son?

How Christian is it to bomb a country that never attacked us nor was a threat to us in any way, killing thousands of women and children?

How Christian is it to allow torture to occur at prisons, to keep people incarcerated with no access to lawyers or appeals for years, to lie repeatedly?

"Not saying I believe it..." give me a break. You sound just like the freeper scum who come around and say, "Some people are saying..."

[seabeyond]

3. d*mn sure is ................ and friends, neighbors,

yep. cant look at father, brother, or mother or father in law the same. i look at them differently. neighbor up the street, all that are in my kids baptist school, a friend across town and her husband.

often i sit quiet and just look at them. lol lol

neigbor on the corner. i could look at and see his home,. open window and shout hi too..........has huge as bush/cheney poster. i turn that corner all the time, and i sneer at him now. i know i am not going to keep mouth shut. in his 50's, trust fund, no kids, no commitments,..................

asshole

my friend told me friday, i sound angry

what do you all think. ya i am. impeachment, stealing election, ignoring 9/11 and then using it, war in iraq deaths all around, money give back to the rich, fuckin the poor...........i am pissed

[4morewars]

4. Does this church pay taxes ?

No ? Then they need to STFU. Endorsing any candidate is grounds for revocation of tax free status. Pay up or shut up ! Maybe your sister would like to make a call to the local IRS office? It's the least she could do for rev. political preacher.

[cthrumatrix]

5. that's a great idea.... all DU'ers should do this

[4morewars]

6. Doing my part ...

to piss off the religous right !!!!!

:hi:

I'm 4morewars, and I approved this message.

[Blue_Roses]

10. this church is HUGE!

It has over 20,000 members--no kidding. Lots of $$$$ going in and out of that church. It's sickening that they use their pulpit to push Bush.

:argh:

[4morewars]

17. Ahhh, one of those "churches"

All the more reason to look into their financial records !

[Carson]

8. The majority of my family

are Repubs and will be voting for Bush*. However, we've managed to still be kind and love each other. We'll all be getting together for the holidays and there will be no shouting about politics.

The blame of splitting families should be placed on the members of that family. How many times have I heard one side or the other state, "I can't tolerate them supporting _____?"

This election is extremely important, but alienating loved ones is ridiculous, IMHO. The election will be over, and how will these people heal?

The Repubs could say the same...Kerry is splitting families. It makes as little sense as saying Bush is splitting families. People split families over arguing whose right. Let it go and realize that although you cannot change their minds, these folks are still you're family.

Okay, I'm done. Flame away.

;-)

(edited for spelling)

[Blue_Roses]

13. While it may sound "trite" to make this comment

I know very well that Bush is doing what he can to shore up his base--which is right-wing fundamentalist. He has NO record to run on--no positive record that is--so he touts and shouts "Kerry is a bad man 'cause he's pro-choice," knowing that this will rile up his base.

While I agree that people choose to split if they want, that's not DIRECTLY my point. My point to Bush dividing families is his rheotoric towards these issues to ignite tension by using them as WEDGE issues. I'm well aware that "people split" on their own accord, but to watch this administration use wedge and hate issues to get elected DOES affect families and raise tensions. Look what it does to gay family members. I have a cousin who is not accepted by his right-wing family.

Forget the psychobabble--Bush is a divider. Not only with families but with nations as well.

[liberal_in_GA]

53. The RW zealots control the WH

and both the Senate and the House. And we know damn well where SCOTUS places its loyalties. Ask your fundie friends and family members why Shrub hasn't tried to overturn Roe v. Wade. If he really is anti-abortion, why hasn't he done anything about it? Could it be (gasp) he's just posturing and using it as a wedge issue to buy their votes?

:eyes:

[Blue_Roses]

55. uh, yeah

isn't that the point of my post:eyes:

My point to Bush dividing families is his rheotoric towards these issues to ignite tension by using them as WEDGE issues. I'm well aware that "people split" on their own accord, but to watch this administration use wedge and hate issues to get elected DOES affect families and raise tensions.

[liberal_in_GA]

57. Um, I thought the point of your post

was to give a personal example of how this election is affecting your family. I was just trying to offer an example of an argument that could be made to someone like your sister's husband, who either doesn't understand the way * uses wedge issues or doesn't care. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

And no need for the eye-rolling, really.

[Blue_Roses]

58. eye-rolling?

LOL! I think your post has it too, but then that is trivial and your point is taken.

[seabeyond]

20. wrong carson for different reasons

i love my family. i love my father. i respect my father, he is an excellent father. he taught me honesty, integrity, unconditional love. he is a good man. he ran a huge corporation, coca cola in 4 states. he showed me how to be an employer in fairness and honesty and integrity. that is who this man is

and

i have watched him sell out

i love him. we dont shout, i dont even talk it. he does that repug talk 101. rush limbaugh. anytime i open mouth, do a dramatic, ooooooooh whatever to shut me up.

i will have the holidays in my home, and all family will come and we will celebrate too, in love.

i still will not feel good about "this" him. or my in laws. this effects my children and their future and for these three educated wealthy older grandparents to not be informed because they want a republican, to me, is a disgrace.

[Carni]

27. A married couple with that vast a difference in their "core values"

Is not going to make it...the husband is basically commanding the wife to "do the right thing" and change who she is, by doing so he is questioning her integrity and who she is as a person.

He's basically telling her she has a bad "soul"

You cannot be "loving" in that kind of a circumstance--and that goes for blood family members, or legal ones IMO.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

9. Her values need to be put in check...

What a bad thing to say to your spouse. It is like saying you don't respect them. It's too bad this man is choosing President Bush over his wife. I hope they don't have any children.

[Blue_Roses]

12. they don't

have any children

[RollergirlVT]

11. yep

I used to wonder how so many Americans could be so stupid. I don't think their stupid anymore. I think they know exactly whats going on and they approve. That in my eyes makes them just as guilty as b*shit. Integrity matters. Blood cannot be helped. I'm done with my mom. Anyone that would sell out their kids or grandkids for a tax cut is sick. This election isn't about repub or dem, conservative or liberal, its about right and wrong. b*shit is WRONG!

[Carni]

30. It's about right and wrong-a BRILLIANT statement

You just cut through all the bullshit and stated exactly what should be said OVER AND OVER.

It's about right and wrong.

I am serious...that one statement sums it all up IMO

[Virginian]

14. Kerry goes to church, Bush doesn't.

People like this need to realize that "Mr. Born Again" does NOT attend church. I think he lied about finding God like he has lied about everything else. He doesn't even belong to a church and therefore does not tithe. (I could be wrong on the last sentence, does someone can check on it.)

Abortion will always be an issue as both sides need it to rally their base.

What about 1000+ wanted children who now have to grow up without fathers as a result of this war.

What about the thousands of dead women and children in Iraq because of this war.

John Kerry attends church regularly. He has always been a spiritual man, he didn't just come up with it as a campaign line to get elected. Bush is using the faithful. He doesnt' care about them; he just cares about their votes -- and their money.

Bush's faith based initiative has put more of a burden on the faithful. He wants the church coffers to take care of the needy while he cuts federal funding to programs that do the same thing.
That means he and his rich friends don't have to contribute through taxes because the people who DO go to church are financing it.

[Blue_Roses]

15. well said!

:)

[City Lights]

16. I had a falling out with my aunt over an email she sent me.

She sends me numerous emails each week - usually some stupid, but non-offensive jokes, or something about God and the power of prayer, which I delete without reading. Occasionally she sends something political, and this time it was stupid quotes attributed to Kerry. I sent a one word comment - false - along with a link to the Snopes debunking entry. Well, that set her off and she launched a personal attack on me, pitying me over my lost sense of humor and chiding me to lighten up. :eyes: That set me off and I laid into bush and his supporters who spread lies over the "Internets" but good. This "God-fearing Christian" woman saw nothing wrong with taking stupid things dan quayle or the chimp said, falsely attributing them to Kerry, and then using them in an attempt to show that Kerry wasn't so smart after all. She lost her sense of humor when I sent her a long list of Bushisms, and refused to engage in a conversation on any level over bush and the issues. I was tempted to ask her what flavor Kool-Aid she drinks, and to let her know that chimpy more closely resembles the false prophet than he does Jesus Christ, but I was afraid that might send her into cardiac arrest, so I simply asked her to stop sending me emails unless they pertain to something personal.

The uniter just keeps on dividing, family by family.

Your sister has my empathy. I don't know what I would do if my husband was enamored with bush.

[seabeyond]

18. a friend the other day said you sound pissed.

ya i am. impeachement stolen election do nothing til 9/11 and then run and hide. going to war in lie and all the deaths, i am pissed

my kids future, loss of rights, religious obsession and walking away from lite, whatever, god i dont care, jesus............but an away from in seperation, creating anger and hate and fear.

i am pissed

[Blue_Roses]

23. what really pisses me off is that Bush KNOWS he is doing this

and to watch his cocky smartass repsonses just sends out the wrong message. he IS a DIVIDER. Bottom line and a coward at that.

[seabeyond]

26. his church is a divider, they have been doing it a lot of years

they hold up the bible and say proudly, succintly, we are exclusive, not inclusive. means seperation. means dividing. this isnt a hard one

their party. seperate, rich from poor,. black from white. christian from muslim. baptists from catholics. women from men........

this is their very tool

[City Lights]

34. A divider he is.

And you're either with him and those who blindly follow him, or you're against them. They all make me :puke:.

[City Lights]

29. What pisses me off about my aunt - this one and another one,

is that they refuse to even engage in a conversation. No wonder America is more divided than ever. Half the country refuses to talk to the other half about anything other than the weather or how the kids/grandkids are doing. They won't speak because they can't defend the indefensible.

[monchie]

46. I've found that the only way to deal with right wingers is...

...to not discuss politics with them. If I try to bring up facts and use logical arguments, they just start cutting me off and yelling over me. That gets me angry, and soon I'm yelling too, though still trying to use facts and logic.

But their brainwashing has made them invulnerable to facts and logic. Facts and logic don't even go in one ear and out the other -- they just bounce off the wingers' heads.

To use a phrase made famous by Shrub's daddy, we're in deep doo-doo when such a large segment of the population is made up of the brain-dead.

You know, I don't think it's any accident that a cult that's long been notorious for its brainwashing techniques -- the Moonies -- is such an integral part of the GOP propaganda machine.

[Shadow30]

24. Boy could I sing a few bars of that tune....

...almost the exact same thing happened with my aunt,she sends these stupid little email to everyone in my fathers side of the family.The other day she sent me this joke email.It was this thing about an old guy that comes out a store and sees a cop writing a ticket for a car and the old guy tries to talk him out of it,so the cop refuses and the old guy cusses out the cop and the cop writes a shit load of tickets for the car.So the joke is suppose to be the car didn't belong to the old guy and it had a Kerry/Edwards bumper sticker on it.Well its just a dumb thing but I am so sick of these dumb emails from her ,she is such a fool so I hit 'reply all' so everyone in my fathers family could see my response which was simply "Yeah I saw this story all over the internets".She didn't care for that,I am on the outs with most of them just because of that!Expect ironically enough my father himself,he voted for Bush in 2000 but has grown to loath Bush(losing 2 jobs in 2 years, one to outsourcing had alot to do with it)and is voting for Kerry this year.

[City Lights]

33. I hit "Reply All" also.

My aunt reacted similarly after I took apart some crap she sent me penned by rush bimbo. These poor repukes can dish it out but can't take it. They are all just like the inept little chimp they would die for.

On some level my aunt must be ashamed of the chimp because to this day she has never admitted supporting him. Her political ideology is obvious from the emails she sends, but she thinks she's got people fooled because she never admits to supporting either candidate. :eyes:

[Shadow30]

39. Goddamn rush bimbo...

....that guy lies so much its a sickness,to take a line from 'The Larry Sanders show' Rush speaks fluent bullshit.My aunt is the same way she tries to act like she doesn't support anyone but all her emails are clearly from the repug rumor mill and she buys into every single BS right wing rumor out there!A few months ago she actually thought they had let Saddam go and gave him an assload of money!I told my brother if she bought that maybe we could sell her this bridge in New York,I just can't believe how poorly informed these people are,how the just lose it when you burst there bubble.

[monchie]

50. Here's a trick I used to stop the flow of ReTHUG BS emails.

Two ppl were constantly sending me the usual dishonest ReTHUG BS emails -- opinion columns from right-wing sources like the NY Post and Wall Street Journal, rumors that had long since been debunked by Snopes, etc. I'd send them the debunkings or debunk them myself, but nothing seemed to stop the flow. Finally, I let them know that you can set up Outlook so that email from certain ppl can automatically be sent to the trash bin without it even being seen.

The BS email stopped.

[Shadow30]

51. excellent idea....

...and what a relief she sends these damn things 4 and 5 at a time!

[monchie]

40. The ReTHUGs are pulling this crap again???

In 2000, they were sending email that reattributed stupid old Dan Quayle quotes to Gore. So now they're pulling the same crap on Kerry. I guess they figure their base is ignorant and/or stupid.

One of the things that galls me about this nonsense is that I never send pro-Dem or pro-Kerry or anti-Bush email to ppl unless I pretty much know beforehand that the recipient will appreciate it. One exception is a couple of ppl who keep sending me BS ReTHUG propaganda even after I make it very clear what I think of their dishonest garbage. (I know that "BS" and "ReTHUG propaganda" are redundant.)

I rarely if ever hear about ppl sending unwanted pro-Dem, pro-Kerry and/or anti-Bush email forwards to right wingers unless the righties sent their crap first.

[City Lights]

48. The Snopes link I sent her stated that this was recycled

from 2000. I told her I thought it was pathetic that bush supporters resorted to gathering quotes dumb guys said, and copied them into am email claiming smart guys said them in an attempt to make the most incompetent and inept man to ever hold the office of the presidency look smarter. I also pointed out that Kerry supporters don't have to make up lies about the other side because there is plenty of ammo available from things bush actually says and does.

[Carni]

21. If they don't have kids she should dump him

I hate to sound dour but there is no way that marriage is going to work...

[Virginian]

25. I agree.

It sounds like my first marriage. It is going to end sooner or later. May as well move on while the moving is good. Life is too short to waste it on the likes of him. She's better off alone.

[endnote]

22. She should dump the sucker...

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

31. Better off to end it before she winds up getting pregnant.

That would really complicate the situation. If they don't share the same values, then they will not be able to raise children together.

[Blue_Roses]

32. No fear of getting pregnant

she's had a hysterectomy.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

36. That's unfortunate for you sister.

It sounds like she's had some difficult times in her life. I hope she's able to resolve this problem with her husband soon in one way or another (reconciliation or divorce).

[endnote]

52. i hope she convinces him that he's wrong

[bunkerbuster1]

28. Tell your sister to tape the next sermon

If her hillbilly minister is, in fact, advocating on behalf of Bush (or ANY political party, for that matter) and is caught doing it, the church can and should lose its tax-exempt status.

I suspect that said hillbilly is probably devious enough to cloak his comments in the veneer of nonpartisanship, but it's worth a shot.

That's ring her asshole husband's bell RIGHT good.

[Nashyra]

37. I will not visit with my husbands golf friends if * wins

But it is making me lose respect for my husband. He hates the * but yet he will not take a stand with his golf buddies. He will just laugh them off and agrees with them when they play golf, yet comes home and rants and rages about the *, gas prices and what the price of oil is doing to the airline industry. I've had it. I told him to put his money where his mouth is, if he can support his stupid selfish friends he deserves to be with them, but don't come home and let his rage out on me. It is tiresome to listen to someone who complaims and does nothing to try to change the situation. I don't know if my marriage will make it after this election, but that is because some behavior has become crytal clear and I don't like it.

[seabeyond]

42. my husband had to decide

he voted bush 2000. i gave an i told you so, but went to you republicans often. he watches it all and i tried not to do to much but would get mad, and then say sorry, but this is it, the way i feel and have enough with bush repugs and all around me telling me to shut up, not gonna here

a good year ago, maybe more,.........he decided kerry. helped a lot, wink

his friends i ask if he speaks up. that is something about the person to. i do respect and know he is non cofrontational, i respect that, but i have found he does it his way

and may i say thank you universe,........for this not creating conflict in marriage

[samtob]

49. I disagree

Sorry to have to disagree, following this guidline, the church where Kerry, Sharpton, and Jackson appeared this past weekend would also lose their tax status. There are plenty of churches out there that are supporting Kerry, if we have to penalize the * supporting churches, the Kerry supporters will be penalized as well.

[bunkerbuster1]

56. Doesn't really work that way.

You can invite a guest speaker that happens to be a politician, who gives a partisan speech, as part of a Sunday service. both sides do that.

But when a church officially backs a candidate or a party, that's when they stop being a "religious" institition.

Yes, people do play fast and loose here, but if there's a chance to nail those reichloon SOBs I say go for it.

[zulchzulu]

35. It's probably a good thing

If people who support the Chimpministration think that they can choose the Republican party over their own loved ones, then perhaps the eventuality of them coming to loggerheads is merely being accelerated.

Cheney chose the GOP over his own lesbian daughter many times. It's a trait that is passed on.

As for Bush being a Christian, he is not. He is a heathen. He is a war criminal. His legacy of using execution and war as a means of power is nothing more than evil.

Bush is an AA Christian. After doing too much cocaine and booze, he went the other way. He uses his faux spirituality like his previous (and possibly present) addictions.

The Pope was against the war. Bush promoted and lied about it. The Pope is against the death penalty. Bush made a career on being a merchant of death while governor of Texas and is personally responsible for tens of thousands of dead innocent humans.

How anyone could consider Bush a Christian is utterly clueless.

[mvd]

38. Sorry to hear that, but..

I'm not surprised. The thing is, they started the division by calling us "unpatriotic," "traitors," "with the terrorists," etc. all because we were looking out for our country. I'd like things to be friendly between the Repukes and Dems, but it's hard when the Repukes have such a mob mentality.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. She should report that church to the IRS

[ArkDem]

44. Bush is personally responsible for every political and religious

disagreement in this country. If only people would open their eyes.