The Whole Earpiece Thingy...

[Steely_Dan]

No one at the DU has explained why Bush would have the pack on his back and NOT under his arm pit where it could not be detected...

I must be honest...I simply can't imagine that the Bush people would be so stupid not to hide it better. I would love to think that Bush and company have done this...but, it just seems too stupid to have it in such an obvious place...even for the Bush people.

-P

[Syncronaut Seven]

1. Perhaps the device wasn't waterproof?

Being from the pits of hell, his sweat may be corrosive too.

[benburch]

2. They DO hide it better!

The inductive earpiece does not require a huge pack like that.

So, if this is a real thing and not and artifact of bad tailoring, it must be something else.

[ParanoidPat]

34. Actually it's not HUGE.....

.....the receiver measures 1 1/16" x 2 1/2" x 3 1/4" (27 mm x 57 mm x 83mm) :)


Synthesized Personal Receiver

About the size of the object under furious George's jacket. :evilgrin:

We use them on stage every once in a while for actors that have trouble remembering their lines. In many cases we 'hide' the unit between an actors shoulder blades. Works fine as long as they don't lean forward or slouch.

The only real problem with using the Inductive Neck Loop is that when used close to a dynamic microphone, the coil in the mic can 'couple' to the loop and pick up the actors lines being fed to them!


Neck-loop Transductor


Universal Fit Ear Canal Inductor

[umass1993]

43. you got it.

It just makes too much sense. Amazing. Truly amazing.

[LiberalEsto]

3. It's too big

to fit under his armpit.

Also, he sweats so hard during the debates that the thingy would short out.

[TimeToGo]

4. But then . . .?

I am very willing to believe that this has a benign explanation.

But then, what is it?

[CrispyQ]

5. I agree. And even if it was a transmitting device . . .

It's not like it made a difference. The man can barely walk, let alone walk & chew gum. He sure can't listen to one voice & speak at the same time.

[Blue_Roses]

6. UNDER HIS FUCKING ARM PIT?

You obviously didn't see the one Barbara Walters had tucked in her skirt. The fucking thing is too big to go under the arm pit but would fit just perfect taped and strapped to one's back--ESPECIALLY with a suit jacket on. Bush knows he's been busted on this one, but he says--so what 'cause thinks he's above the law and he

[TimeToGo]

19. Again . . .

Again, what is it if it isn't an earpiece? What I think is very odd is that no one can explain it. As I said above, I am willing to believe it is nothing sinister -- just tell me what it is.

What reasons would they have for not answering:

1. Badges, we don't need no badges. That is, we don't have to answer anything we don't want to.

2. They don't know -- that is, it is some wierd costume malfunction -- an optical illusion. So they can't explain it.

3. It is embarassing to them -- that is, some kind of earpiece because, for instance, he is hard of hearing and they don't want to admit it. (though I don't know of a hearing aid that big).

4. Anything else?

[RafterMan]

7. Nobody at DU has explained to me

why people here waste time trying to debunk this thing while it goes full steam ahead in the MSM.

I just don't understand it.

[Eric J in MN]

8. Because Democrats would like to know the truth

-does Bush or doesn't Bush wear an earpiece-and we're not satisfied with unexamned rumors.

[RafterMan]

9. You can't wait three weeks?

[Steely_Dan]

12. I hear ya, but...

I understand what you are saying...However, I am not one to think that the news media is any more reliable than anything else. They are going to latch on to to this regardless...cause it's juicy news.

I simply think that this is so incredibly stupid that it belies belief. I just hate to see DUers run with something that "appears" to have holes in it.

Believe me...I would love nothing better than to have it proved that Bush and company are so corrupt and "stupid" as to try and get away with something like this... I want to believe it...

-P

[seabeyond]

15. show me the holes

i see a square on a mans back and no one has given me the answer

so where are the wholes.

a square. what is it???????????

no room for holes from what i see

[On the Road]

10. Nobody Can Explain It Because Nobody Knows

All we know for sure is that there was a box there and what appears to be a wire.

I can't believe that the Bush people wouldn't hide it better, unless it's some kind of ploy. But that doesn't change the fact that it's there.

[NinetySix]

11. Being on his back WOULD have made it invisible

if only the TV media had followed the rules (32 pages of 'em!) that were agreed upon prior to the debates. One rule stated that there could be no shots of the candidates taken from behind. Wonder why? In any case, as I understand it, it was FoxNews that broke this particular rule (the Fox feed was used by C-SPAN), just as the other networks made their decisions to break the split-screen rule. I'm sure that Bush and his people expected the rules to be followed by the networks they had spent so much time, effort, and resources cowing; but I'm damn sure that they didn't expect FOX to break the rule that would expose the little man behind the curtain (or inside the box: see below).






The most famous automaton of all -the automatic Turkish chessplayer, or "Psycho"- was actually a clever fraud. In 1769, the Baron Wolfgang Von Kempelen (who served as counselor on mechanics to the Empress Maria Theresa) was watching a performance at a party which made use of magnetic toys. The Baron bragged that he could build a much more thought-provoking diversion. The Empress told him he should go ahead and build one. The Baron worked on his invention for the next six months before presenting it in court. It was an automaton chess player dressed in traditional Turkish costume.

This incredible "thinking machine" fooled all the greatest minds of Europe. Learned men and courtiers came from far-and-wide to see it.

The Turk was seated behind a cabinet full of mechanical gears. The front of the cabinet opened-up to reveal the inner workings. When the machine was wound-up, the android came to life. It would turn its head from side-to-side, pick up chess pieces with slow, jerking movements, and move them to another position on the board. In this way, the android was able to play a game of chess against a real human opponent.

The courtiers were delighted, and the Baron von Kempelen became famous.

In reality, the chessplayer's gears were all fake; they were merely meant for show. A small person or child hid within the cabinet beneath the Turk. The cabinet was divided into four or five separate compartments. As the Baron opened the doors on the front of the machine to "prove" to the audience that there wasn't a person inside, the child would twist and contort to hide himself in a different part of the box (one of which was actually a drawer underneath the main compartment!) When the chessplayer was wound-up, the person inside the box would crawl up into the body of the Turk, and move the head and arms just like a puppet. The "machine" would magically spring-to-life, and begin to play a game of chess.

http://www.angelfire.com/punk2/walktheplank/automatons.html

[Steely_Dan]

13. But What About...

What about Kerry...the stage crew, the producers, etc. etc. I mean the Bush people must have known that even if it weren't televised from the back, it would have been exposed to everyone else. This simply doesn't make sense.

-P

[oldtime dfl_er]

14. they were FOX

the stage crew, the producers, etc were FOX people. You think they're going to say anything? The only person up there who might have said something was Kerry, and that just wouldn't have worked.

[seabeyond]

16. what if they put it on and bush stood up straight

and they say, see no one can see

then he hunched on stage. oh shit

who knows. but there is a square on his back

[NinetySix]

17. I doubt Kerry was focusing on that aspect of the debate.

I imagine he was far more interested in parrying and turning Bush's low blows, while at the same time desperately trying to educate the American People about their interests, since they seem unable or unwilling to educate themselves. And I'd say he scored pretty well in that regard. Besides, if you were kicking some dude's ass, would you be concerned whether he was cheating?

[kemche]

18. Better Transmission...

Here's my take on this whole ear piece thing. First I don't think Bushco are this stupid to pull off anything like this.

Anyways, if they did put it on the back on not on the belt of anyother place the reson would be the back probably would provide better transmission and reception (sp).

No matter what it was it didn't help Bush at all.

KG

[hippiegranny]

20. if there is something to it,

and there certainly could be, my guess is that when furious george stood up straight, the jacket lines fell in such a way that the box didn't show. But for some reason they forgot to take into account that when he hunkers and sprawls all over the podium, his arms will pull the jacket taut and the device will show. A very sloppy mistake.

[Susang]

21. It was under his arm in the second debate

I saw it quite clearly, as did the people I was watching the debate with. It was visible whenever he lifted his arm and hunched over, which seems to be a physical habit of his.

I would guess that the reason it was on his back in the first debate was that there were not supposed to be cameras behind him and that specific angle was not supposed to be shot or aired. Unfortunately for him, FOX news, which provided the video feed, disregarded his campaign's specific instructions for camera placement.

Perhaps you might want to do some more reading on the subject? His campaign has already stated that he was not wearing body armour, a bulletproof vest or a body mike. Since I've seen it twice and it's clearly not a fold or wrinkle in the fabric, what do you think it is?

[Steely_Dan]

22. I Don't Know...

I have done some research on this...And I wish I knew what it was.

For all I know it could very well be a receiver, etc. I just thought it odd that the Bush people would take such an incredible risk...knowing what could result if they were caught.

As far as the cameras go...Of course the Bush people knew that there was a camera behind them...The ones that shoot the moderator. I assume from what you are saying that the Bush people believed that "no shots" would be taken from the rear of the candidates.

But more to the point...

I agree that the real question is "What is that bulge in the back of his jacket?" I'm not convinced that it is a receiver. I wish it were...and lacking any other explanation, I can see where many of us would believe it to be just that...a receiver.

-Paige

[hippiegranny]

23. getting caught

>I just thought it odd that the Bush people would take such an incredible risk...knowing what could result if they were caught. <

I doubt they ever expected to get caught. They are so used to saying black is white and up is down and having the media dutifully report it, that I think they think they're untouchable. Or maybe they DO want to get caught for some reason. Most serial criminals do.

[Susang]

44. Actually,

Fox News was the only network to shoot the candidates from behind. As has been stated before in this thread, there were pages and pages of conditions, most coming from Bush & co., regarding the conditions of the debate. I would guess that the Bush camp would have never expected to be defied by the press, after all, why would they start challenging him now, particularly Fox News?

Some of his own advisors have even said that the campaign has been guilty of relaxing their standards of vigilance when dealing with the press, since Bush has been so used to them treating him with kid gloves. It might be hard for someone like you or I to understand the kind of hubris that these people possess, but I assure you, it's there and in force. After all, they continually get away with murder on a daily basis, don't they? They lie to the press and they print it verbatim with virtually no criticism. Why wouldn't they think they could do this and not get caught?

[Enrico]

24. I agree - but why don't they explain what it WAS

If they have nothing to hide, than why not tell us what it actually was on his back... I think it could be that he was wearing a bullet proof jacket maybe...

[Steely_Dan]

26. Excellent Point

I mean sometimes the logic is right in front of us...

A simple explanation of what it is shouldn't be too difficult for the Bush people to handle.

-P

[Papa]

25. I thought of 2 things it might be that I have not seen mentioned.

Maybe it was some sort of device to remind him to stand up straight and not hunch over the podium....

Or some kind of cooling device to keep Bush cool and not sweat. Maybe they were hoping that the high temp they asked for would make Kerry sweat and bush would look cool as a cucumber.

[MADem]

27. I mentioned that possibility

...in one of the twenty other threads on this subject.

[Papa]

28. then you can understand how i missed it. :-)

[MADem]

29. Yep!

Pity there wasn't some way to consolidate all of them!!:silly:

[Mizmoon]

30. What about a dibetic device of some kind

Don't they have large blood sugar control devices now? Maybe it's related to a health condition of some kind. I know, I know ... it's a huge stretch but I'm trying to think of something he'd need that they would want to hide.

[Catfight]

31. Maybe it was a pace maker and he didn't know he had it on

backward? Everything he does is wrong, why not that too?

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

32. Although I'm always willing to be suspicious of such things

I've said it before and I'll say it again-- all they need is a cell phone with a wireless (Bluetooth) in-the-ear receiver. Invisible in his pocket and hard to listen in on if encrypted (besides, cell scanners are illegal).

There's just no NEED for a backpack-sized James Bond device. I still say "the bulge" is simply body armour.

[ParanoidPat]

35. The problem with the cell phone strategy is well documented......

.....there were numerous accounts that noted that cell phones and pagers were being jammed during the debates.

IFB units work in several frequency bands that are well below the cell phone and pager frequencies. :)

The unit pictured above works in the 76-88 MHz range. :evilgrin:

[Sivafae]

33. yeah, I'm not a believer either

That it was receiver device thingy. My thoughts were along the lines of "a good tailor was needed to really obfuscate that device." Until someone here in this thread brought up the fact that he was hunching over. NO amount of tailoring is really gonna hide something like that because of body posture. There are a lot more questions about that in my mind, but you never know. and it would be nice if they could try to explain it away, because it is really sad to think that that was the best he could do if he did have the help.

[sonicx]

36. I don't think Bush cheated BUT

i don't mind it if the media keeps this alive.

[ParanoidPat]

37. In that case, I think I'll kick this again to expose.......

.......The Hunchback of Coral Gables! :evilgrin:

:kick:

[humanbeing]

39. ok, Rovian conspiracy foil-hat time...

...and I'm no taking this idea too seriously, but what if Rove:

gets Bush to wear something that could be visible, knowing that Bush will hunch.

gets FOX (whom the administration has close ties to) to tell their camerament to go behind them and take those shots.

then, fuels rumours that Bush is wired, Bush is wired, liberals rant and rave...

...and then, the coup de grace, reveal it as something harmless, like, say, a health monitor for Bush, and make us all out to be whining conspiracy nuts.

[hiphopnation]

38. check out democrats.com right now.

www.democrats.com

[TimeToGo]

40. Second picture

I don't know -- the second picture does kind of seem like a hump in the fabric. But not the first.

[ParanoidPat]

41. I love this post from page three of the replys.....

.....:evilgrin:

From IsBushWired.com at
12:50 PM ...

Ok, just got off the phone with, out of respect for what he told me, and audio engineer at a major media outlet.

He said he was on site setting up for one of the debates. At these on sites they are required to scan the area for RF interference. He said his specrum analyzer picked up several RF bands that were not in the Secret Service safety frequencies. He said, upon him asking questions of his supervisors about these frequencies, he was approached by 'officials' telling him to 'go blind immediately' and to forget what he saw and to keep his eyes and ears out of those bands.

All of those RFs are encoded, including the ones used by the networks. He indicated that there may be people, engineers, that may have 'accidentally' left their SAs on and maybe recorded some of the stuff.

Now this is *highly* illegal (thank you FCC) but there may be proof out there.

We need an engineer with 1000 to 1500' location access to record the RF at the next debate. Do NOT try to decrypt the signal. If one recording comes out- perhaps the other folks that are apparently out there with evidence of unusual broadcasts at the first two debates may come forward too.

2:37 PM ...

I've posted a serious way to answer your questions. Place your calls to various news agencies- ask them how they do remote setup- you'll find they sweep the area with something called a spectrum analyzer. They definitely did it at both debates. I spoke with one engineer that was present at one of the debates and he has indicated something was up outside the normally used RF that the SS use... he said that he was approached by security to turn off the machine and to ignore what he found.

He indicated to me that there may be others who did not ignore those frequencies and have full spectrum recordings of the RF at the debate which indicate there is a whole suspicious band range in use.

How about this, call a local affiliate station in AZ and ask their engineers to make full spectrum recordings of the debates. Ask them to record all IFB frequencies.

Let's see what we find.

They also have a good picture of Bush* wearing the "ear thingy" posted. :)

[orpupilofnature57]

42. Can't do a lobe job through an ear piece