O'Neil Revelations

[RogueTrooper]

Do you think the former Secretary O'Neil's revelations will help Dean in the run-up to the Iowa caucuses?

Some Quotes...

"From the beginning there was a conviction that Saddam was a bad person and that he needed to go. It was all about finding a way to do it."

"On the 23 months I was there, I never saw anthing I would characterize as evidence of WMD"

[vi5]

1. At what point will it register that the vast majority of voters...

Will NOT be choosing either a candidate or a president based on the Iraq War? I know plenty of people who disagree with the Iraq war, for whom it is one of MANY issues they are taking into consideration. I also know people who completely oppose the Iraq war but who plan on voting for Bush no matter what.

[RogueTrooper]

2. It is less about the war itself

than it is an administration lying about the war.

[vi5]

8. Whatever angle you want to put on it......

The fact is that the general voting populations sees the war (or the administrations handling of it) as one issue among many. There are plenty of people out there who don't like the war and think that the bush admin bungled this one but are perfectly willing to give the benefit of the doubt for any number of other reasons. Ditto dem voters and their particular candidates.

People who are using the war or any sub-issue of the war are already divided into camps. I don't know anyone on the fence about this.

[KittyWampus]

9. Dean's Candidacy Made It All About The RESOLUTION

Who voted for it and who did not.

Those who did were labelled by Dean as Bushlite... to heck with the rest of their Liberal careers.

And yet last night Dean says "It's not who voted for what Resolution". VERY Bush-like.

That is what the PNAC'ers and Neo-Cons do... they put their intentions out there and when attention is drawn to it they dismiss the information as insignificant and you as a crank for pointing it out.

[Sly Kal]

11. It is the lie about the War

That is what matters.

[mmonk]

3. Clark has been saying the same thing

That getting Saddam was always the admin's intent. It will help all who have been saying it. Might hurt those who support the invasion.

[Goldmund]

4. I agree.

n/t

[CMT]

5. but Clark isn't competing in Iowa

I think Dean should hammer away for the next week on this issue.

[Jack_Dawson]

7. Clark - Ahead of the Curve per Usual

But we welcome Bush Bashing anytime.

[CWebster]

6. yes, but people can't have that

They would rather let Bush slide and make the big story about what a big racist Dean is.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. I don't think Dean's racist, just a bad representative for the party

he's got too many "holes in that resume to plug" after all.

[RogueTrooper]

12. I think you have posted that reply on the wrong thread, mate

this thread is about O'Neils comments and how they could affect Dean's postion in Iowa.

[lib 4 all]

13. O'neil is kind of a turd, he doesn't command respect or authority

and no one is taking him very seriously. I can't see this story lasting for more than a few days.

[w13rd0]

15. 19,000 pages of documentation...

...O'Neill can be as much of a turd as he wants to be. He's not the only source for this, and this isn't the first time this has come to light. But people have been handing out 19,000 pages of documentation backing up their claims. If it goes nowhere in the "mass media", we'll know for DAMN certain, as if we didn't already, that the media serves a master, and that master is not the people of the United States, or their interests. What becomes of the enablers? 3,000 people, 500 soldiers, thousands of dead Iraqis...for LIES!

[lib 4 all]

16. that may well all be true

but it looks like sour grapes from someone who was fired in a very public and humiliating way trying to exact revenge. Vindictiveness never goes over well with the public, and that is how people are viewing it right now - those who are even paying attention (football playoffs obscured his 60 Minutes interview by over 3:1).
This may change as the documents become public, but for right now, that's just my take on where it's going.

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[lib 4 all]

18. I'm just trying to say don't get your hopes up

just like the CIA leak. It didn't go anywhere.

If Colin Powell came out and said what O'neill is saying then people would pay attention. But O'neill is a non-entity as far as the public is concerned.

[iowapeacechief]

14. I voted "Other"...

...because I think O'Neil helped all Democrats, those who gave Bush the benefit of the doubt and those who saw through him all along. I think this can help boost the turnout at the Iowa caucuses. That's a plus for all of us.

[RogueTrooper]

19. Kick

[ozone_man]

20. Certainly it will help Dean.

Especially in the Democratic primaries. Democrats are not as blinded by the media as Bush Republicans are. Many will see that O'Neil is telling the truth and that will support Dean's arguments that there was no justification for the war. It will also have a detrimental effect on those that voted for the IWR, since they should have known better that the intelligence was insufficient, no Al-Queda connection, etc..

[Capn Sunshine]

21. Other: it helps EVERYBODY except *