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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:16 AM
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I'm afraid we will NOT be safer under Kerry
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 10:18 AM by Atman
Hey, hear me out...BushCo has the means and the end. Add 'em up and you've got the justification. This is big big money to them. They invested billions into the corporate takeover of America. I'm fearful that if John Kerry hands Bush (and the GOP by extension) a humiliating defeat on November 2, all bets are off as to what "they" will do. Many here believe BushCo was tied to 9/11, and there is certainly more evidence to suggest this than there is to support Bush's WMD claims. So if you can accept that possibility, what makes you think they won't try to wake us up again, just to "prove" to America that Kerry is weak and they were the ones to protect us?

Kerry MUST win. But in BushCo's mind, they MUST NOT lose. It makes for a scary, anything-goes scenerio in Post-Bush world. You think Cheney's an angry old cuss now, wait until after he loses his access to the secret underground location!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:17 AM
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1. The difference is that the terrorists will be
homegrown and die-hard members of the Republican party.

Can you say Civil War - the sequel?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:21 AM
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2. or another RW " Kennedy-style" assasination could happen.
Though the best theory I can find is the Cubans were furious over the aborted Bay of Pigs fiasco.

I don't doubt they would try nearly anything to regain power.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:05 AM
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19. There is no doubt in my mind that they would do anything that
they thought the could get away with. I mean ANYTHING. We are dealing with a band of ruthless and totally unscrupulous thugs. Please America, open your eye and at least attempt to head them off on Nov. 2. if it isn't too late.
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irancontra Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:25 AM
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4. don't be too sure it hasn't been homegrown all along...
oklahoma city, anthrax attacks to dems, flight 587 over long island?
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:27 AM
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6. Anthrax attacks weren't right-wing?
I believe they were domestic right-wing nuts. The only anthrax letters went to Democratic leaders and so-called "liberal" members of the press.

I think most would at least agree the anthrax attacks were domestic.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:18 AM
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21. isnt it interesting that NO one has been charged for this yet?
You'd think the anthrax attacks would have been " case closed" by now.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:39 AM
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14. back issues of DU show that I am one who likes to point out
that the only US soil terrorist attacks under Clinton (after WTC1) have been carried out by home-growns - mainly McVeigh and whomever hit the Atlanta Olympic park.

Yes, anthrax, the sniper attacks, etc. Even the Unabomber was some "American" holed up in the woods with an old manual typewriter.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:25 AM
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3. Bush* admin LIHOP...
Kerry admin wouldn't.
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irancontra Donating Member (689 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:27 AM
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7. agreed ^^ ... follow the money.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:54 AM
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17. Stupid, I know, but what's LIHOP? n/t
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:25 AM
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5. I'm not sure what you're saying...
Are you afraid of Bush if he loses or Kerry if he wins?

As for your past paragraph, that scenario scares the living hell out of me, too. My friend just told me she isn't even enthusiastic to vote because she says she knows Bush will cheat because he'll have to - if the election were fair, of course Kerry would win. We remember how hopping mad the Repukes were in 2000 - you think they're gonna just go quietly into the dark? Their Bush-Christ lose his grip on power?

If Bush wins (or even if Kerry wins), I seriously have a gut feeling there will be MAJOR, major civil unrest in this country.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:31 AM
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12. Your friend is correct, I fear.
Bushco is not gonna graciously hand over power. They have shown that already.

We had best be prepared for all sorts of unimaginable stunts in the coming weeks. We had best be prepared to stand our ground as we go to vote. There are thugs and criminals who have spent much time and effort on subverting the US Constitution and they are in it for the $$. They will not go quietly.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:27 AM
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8. All bets are off BEFORE Nov 2. The junta is capable of anything
Do not ever doubt that. All over the country, stories of voter registration problems, people hearing family members flat out say they are working the election so they can 'lose palm pilots' containing vote count from precincts of mostly ethnic minority voters, wrong date for election printed on California Spanish language sample ballots, GOP office holders flat out saying they have to suppress the vote in some areas.

There is nothing the neocons will not resort to doing. They do not love America or Americans. They subvert the laws when ever & where ever they want to get every advantage.

WTC? Let's see.... who benefited from that attack on America? Same groups who withheld important news from the American people. Same group who kept playing the lies of bushco that pumped so many up for war. Follow the money. There is nothing they will not do. Money is the only thing that matters. There are no nations, there is no humanity, there is only money to these 'people'.

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:27 AM
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9. Once you come to the conclusion that 9-11
was a MIHOP event, then you will understand why we haven't have another 'big' event since. Cheney is right, if Kerry gets elected it will be more likely that we will be attacked again. How does he know? Because he will be the one staging the attack.

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:35 AM
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13. From another thread, the Onion
says this outright. The truth reported in the cloak of satire.

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4041&n=0&pg=1

"Cheney Vows To Attack U.S. If Kerry Elected"

GREENSBORO, NC—In an announcement that has alarmed voters across the nation, Vice President Dick Cheney said Monday that he will personally attack the U.S. if Sen. John Kerry wins the next election.

"If the wrong man is elected in November, the nation will come under a devastating armed attack of an unimaginable magnitude, one planned and executed by none other than myself," Cheney said, speaking at a rally in Greensboro, NC. "When they go to the polls, Americans must weigh this fact and decide if our nation can ignore such a grave threat."

Added Cheney: "It would be a tragedy to suffer another attack on American soil, let alone one perpetrated by an enemy as well-organized and well-equipped as I am. My colleagues and I urge voters to keep their safety in mind when they go to the polls."

Although Cheney would not comment on the details of his proposed attack on a John Kerry-led U.S., national-security experts said he possesses both the capabilities and the motivation to pose a serious threat.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:36 AM
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23. My thoughts exactly
When first I heard Cheney spout his claim that if Kerry is elected there will be another attack, my immediate thought was that he should know because he'd be the one behind it. These guys really need to be put in jail.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:51 AM
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24. Why are you buying into Cheney's fear mongering?
There already is something of an "insurgency" within the CIA. If they try a stunt like this, it will end the Republican party once and for all.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:30 AM
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10. * woke a lot of people up - if L/MIHOP, it was allowed by trusting
bureaucrats.
I doubt anyone will rely solely on the chain of command to handle defense again.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:31 AM
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11. These guys would do that
The thing I am MOST worried about is we have the months of November, December, and most of January for Bush to do something we will all regret. Who knows what he could do in 2-3 months time.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:46 AM
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15. Scary. He can't cancel the election, so how about canceling the
results of the election - claim fraud was so rampant that new elections will have to be held in, say, six months. A lot can happen in six months.

Far fetched, but I wouldn't put it past them.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:56 AM
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18. Now I am more depressed then ever
:-(
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:50 AM
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16. this is what we have created, and we will have to suffer
repercussions, and it may be terribly painful. there isnt a choice on that but do the best to stop whatever from happening. for me that is being aware of friggin everything that is going on. it has been massive work, beyond a regular work week in keeping up with this administration in all the crap they are doing. and this is only what we get here and there

who knows, but i am sure going to work hard at recognizing it as it comes
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:08 AM
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20. The underlying cause of all of this is the incredible gullibility
of the American voters. What is wrong with their brains. Can half of an entire population become mentally ill in some was so as to not be able to recognize what is in their best interests?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:19 AM
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22. You do make me think! shrub does have ties to Osam's family
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