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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:07 AM
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SUBJECT: Kerry's Discharge Bombshell
(This was in my Inbox this morning. Freepmail, complete with the usual spelling and grammatical errors. It appears to outline the latest attack strategery. Let's have our firehoses at the ready to counteract the coming bullshit tidalwave...)


All set for the greatest political fireworks show of your life? Showtime is about to begin. Those SwiftVet ads you have been seeing have been just the pre-lims to warm the audience up. The main acts will be much more entertaining. They'll begin with signs appearing at Kerry campaign rallies saying: Ho, ho, ho - Kerry must sign the One-Eight-Oh.

What does that mean, you ask? It is the demand that Kerry sign a DoD (Defense Dept.) Form 180, which authorizes the release to the public of all military records the Pentagon possesses on him. George Bush has released all of his, just like John McCain and Al Gore. Kerry refuses. He's hiding stuff in there that destroys him, is why.

One such record has already been leaked: The official Navy "after-action report" that was the basis of Kerry's being awarded the Silver Star. This is the key quote: "PCF 94 beached in center of ambush in front of small path when Viet Cong sprung up from bunker 10 feet from unit. Man ran with weapon towards hootch. Forward M-60 machine gunner wounded man in leg. Officer-in-charge, LTjg Kerry, jumped ashore and gave pursuit while other units saturated area with fire and beached placing assault parties ashore. Kerry chased VC inland behind hootch and shot him while he fled -- capturing one B-40 rocket launcher with round in chamber."

It is impossibly insulting to anyone in the milittary awarded a medal for bravery in battle that Kerry was given one of the highest honors the military can bestow - the Silver Star - for shooting a single wounded man while he was running away. How did Kerry engineer this? Only the yet-unreleased records will tell. Yet this is small potatoes to what's really in there. For starters, he has AWOL and performance problems that blow similar charges against Bush away. On February 18, 1966, Kerry signed Enlistment and Officer Candidate contracts for five years of active duty and reserves, plus one year of inactive standby reserves. On November 21, 1969, he wrote a letter requesting early release from active Navy duty, lying that "my current regular period of obligated service (will) be completed in December of this year." Obviously, the true completion date was February 17, 1971.

Nonetheless, after only three years and 18 days of active service, on January 3, 1970, Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland. Yet Kerry has refused to release his Performance Records showing that he completed the 48 drills and 17 days of active duty per year required during his 2= years in the Ready Reserves. For some reason, the Democrat Party propagandists posing as journalists in the mainstream media have never asked about them.

On July 1, 1972, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Inactive Status. Over 5= years later - and six years after his enlistment contract expired - Kerry was discharged from the U.S. Navy on February 16, 1978. It's not the phoniness of the medals and the after-action reports Kerry is hiding by refusing to sign Form 180. It's not even his Reserve Duty Performance Records showing he missed as many drills as he's missed votes in the Senate. What he is really scared of is the record of his spending six years fighting an OTH - Other Than Honorable - discharge.

There are five classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. Kerry's public activities in leading the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), including lying under oath, knowingly lying about alleged "atrocities" committed by his fellow soldiers, meeting with North Vietnamese government officials and Viet Cong leaders in Paris - all while still serving as an officer of the US Navy - were in direct violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), qualifying Kerry for a Dishonorable Discharge.

When Kerry appealed, he was offered an OTH - Other Than Honorable - as a compromise. He knew even that would destroy any possible political career, so he continued to stay in the Reserves with further appeals and re-submissions for over five years, until finally, somehow and someway, he cajoled the military into making his discharge Honorable. Then and only then did he leave the Navy.

The full story of how he gamed the system is in those records he won't release. The legal activist group, Judicial Watch <<http://www.judicialwatch.org/> http://www.judicialwatch.org/> , has now filed a formal complaint <http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/kerryawards.htm http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2004/kerryawards.htm> with the Pentagon demanding such release. But this is just the opening salvo.

The 14th Amendment to the Constitution has five sections. Here is Section Three: “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector
of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.”

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. As Kerry took an oath to support the Constitution as a military officer of the United States, and subsequently gave public and verifiable aid and comfort to an enemy engaged in warfare with the United States, he is Constitutionally disqualified to run for President (or be a Senator for that matter). Judicial Watch is thus preparing to file a lawsuit in federal court charging that Kerry's candidacy for President is a violation of the 14th Amendment. Note, however, that last sentence in Section Three: "But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability." It turns out there are many Republican Congressmen and Senators who are closet Kerry-supporters - so much so that they will be offering H.R. and S. Resolutions exempting Kerry from his 14th Amendment disability. They will stand up on the House or Senate floor and give earnest speeches in support of the resolution. How they will keep a straight face, and suppress any sign whatever of malicious glee, I have no idea – but that's one of the skills any politician has.

So sit back and relax, folks. Have another beer (Otto - have another martini...). This is going to be as Ed Sullivan used to say, rrrreallybig, a rrrreallybig show.
(Oh - did I forget to say who leaked that after-action report from Kerry's Pentagon files, and who will be leaking the rest by, say October 15, if Judicial Watch can't pry them loose first? Here's a clue: he's two or three cutouts away from a certain senator from New York who dreams of once again residing in her husband's former home.).
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:09 AM
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1. And bullshit it is
Hasn't this shit already been debunked? They have no new charges, instead they'd rather dredge up a war that happened 30 years ago. Bravo, BushCo.
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:18 AM
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13. Can I change the subj. I've got a Nigerian cashier's check for 23,000,000.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:10 AM
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2. George Bush has released his military records?
Is that just the ones he wants released and only when will work in their favor?

rrreallybig fart!
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:12 AM
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3. two new documents were released last week. Bush has not signed form 180
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:16 AM
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7. * hasn't released med records
if they still exist, that is.
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Tim_in_HK Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:13 AM
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4. Total bullshit.
Just ignore their rantings.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:15 AM
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5. Are you implying that the Clinton's are behind this? eom
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:17 AM
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8. the last sentence implies that,
which makes this scenario the ultimate Freeper wetdream.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:17 AM
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10. I think that last part was still part of the freeper e-mail
Not from the poster above.
It fits: blame the Clintons for "trying" to get Kerry to lose so Hillary can run in 2008. The freepers have been crying that for years.
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Clinton Crusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:16 AM
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6. Sheesh, I was in a COMA and didnt even know it!!!!
* released his military records??? ALL OF IT?? Damn it and I missed it!
:kick:
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:17 AM
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9. George Bush DID NOT SIGN A FORM 180
That's all you need to say to shut these fucking hypocrites up.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:17 AM
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11. "two or three cutouts away"
what does that mean? I don't get it. Do they mean Dick Morris?

"Oh - did I forget to say who leaked that after-action report from Kerry's Pentagon files, and who will be leaking the rest by, say October 15, if Judicial Watch can't pry them loose first? Here's a clue: he's two or three cutouts away from a certain senator from New York who dreams of once again residing in her husband's former home.".

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Memekiller Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:18 AM
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12. THAT's their bombshell?
There's nothing new there. It's all rehashed SBV trash.
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:19 AM
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14. The rightwing NY Sun did a story on this just this morning.
There were threads on both Free Republic and the Swift Lies website last night, hinting that the paper would drop a bombshell this morning. The person dropping the hints first is someone who claimed to work with Kerry once. Most of them were rabid with excitement about it, but others pointed out this probably won't hurt Kerry.

And it won't. The Swift Liars have been carpet-bombing the country with their stupid and dishonest ads, and the jackals on rightwing talk radio have been howling about Kerry being a liar, traitor, etc., for months now. This story isn't going to sway any undecided voters, let alone Kerry supporters.
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MallRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:20 AM
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15. I was mildly worried about this... until I got to the last paragraph.
Oh - did I forget to say who leaked that after-action report from Kerry's Pentagon files, and who will be leaking the rest by, say October 15, if Judicial Watch can't pry them loose first? Here's a clue: he's two or three cutouts away from a certain senator from New York who dreams of once again residing in her husband's former home.


ROTFLMAO!!!

Oh my... this screed almost instilled in me the tiniest little scrap of concern, until they turned it into a "Hillary-hates-Kerry" conspiracy.

Any journalist worth his/her salt is going to laugh at this... and yes, even the corporate whores won't touch this.

-MR
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:20 AM
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16. This election will not be decided on
30 yr old records from the vietnam era. The swiftie smear campaign has run its course, and I sincerely doubt the major media will dive into this latest attack on Kerry's 'Nam era records.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:24 AM
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True. BUT... This is part of the October Surprise package Karl's planning
This is just the first hint of the shark's fin breaking thru the water. This is how "October" begins. It'll get worse.
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:22 AM
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17. Don't we have the freerepulsive equivalent of a BARF ALERT!! ??? N/T
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:22 AM
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18. First they attack Kerry for killing armed Viet Cong, then say he's traitor
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 11:23 AM by wishlist
These RWingers want it both ways- first they imply Kerry was a brutal killer by not showing compassion for a wounded Viet Cong who was running away with a deadly weapon? What was he supposed to do, let an armed enemy combatant go free? Then when Kerry was interested in finding a peaceful solution to the war in order to stop all the killing on both sides, they want to call him a traitor.
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RoyalWickedness Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:24 AM
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19. Blah, blah, blah...
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 11:26 AM by RoyalWickedness
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf

If Shrub can use this line, so can Kerry:

"...was Honorably Discharged"

Done.

Edited to add:

Oh, and P fucking S, little freepers, this is NOT news. The After Action reports are posted for all to read on John Kerry's Web site:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/combat_reports.html
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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:30 AM
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20. "Leaked" After-Action Report
Yeah, "leaked," as in posted on Kerry's website:

http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/SpotReports_February1969.pdf

Last report in document.
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The Revolution Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:31 AM
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21. The fact that people actually buy into this is just insane.
Do people honestly believe that Kerry went to Vietnam in order to create some kind of fake war record so he could use it to run for President 30 years later? It really says a lot about the mindset of those who vote for republicans.

Bush and his administration are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths. They've destroyed our international reputation. They've shifted the tax burden to the middle class. They've stood buy and watched as people lost jobs and health care, and slipped into poverty. And yet the issue is apparently whether or not John Kerry was wounded ENOUGH in Vietnam???

It makes me sick.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:36 AM
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22. Desperation
They are getting desperate. The end is near for the Great leader's Regime and they know it. Like any angry monkey they are starting to throw feces around. Ignore them now and then laugh at them after we win on November 2nd.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:38 AM
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23. Well, that last sentence certainly shows this up for the bullshit it is.
Anyway, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't what Kerry is trying to keep private are his journals and diaries? Signing Form 180 would authorize the military to release these personal items. Bullcrap.

I think these people should be more concerned about why our pResident is avoiding his medical exam ONCE AGAIN! Is he coked up, drinking again, tranqued out on meds? Does he have a debilitating illness that could interfere with his decision-making process (what little there is, anyway.)

Now THAT would be a bombshell.
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