Any Union Member who votes for Bush.......

[louis c]

is a scab.

I'm the president of my local and its business agent.

The Bush Administration and their friends in Congress have voted down increases in the minimum wage, unemployment benefits, and the Dept. of Labor has rolled back time and half rules for overtime.

Bush and his allies have supported "right to work" initiatives in many states, and have put legal obstacles in the way of unionizing other localities, including his friends at Wal-Mart.

OSHA has been left impudent under Bush, putting workers at safety and health risk.

This administration has placed judges and other arbitrators in place that make it even more difficult to enforce workers' rights through the federal government.

There is no difference between a Union Worker who crosses a picket line, takes management's side in a dispute with his fellow workers, or one who is supporting Bush.

The name for you is the same. Scab.

[disgruntled_goat]

1. agreed

except i'd prefer something more derogatory than 'scab', if available.

[Arkana]

13. How about "cyst?"

[Zhade]

31. "Pustule" works, too.

Scabbing is un-American.

[dogtag]

2. I saw a piece last night about a laid off union steelworker

and his sick wife who had no health insurance, but they were both voting for Bush! They live in Ohio and are terrified that the 'terraistas' were coming for them. Some people truly are a big waste of oxygen.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

3. Got a "friend" who's union.

Been union for nearly 10 years now.
And he votes straight repug. Every damn election.
Even goes to the union meetings and gets in people's face when they say things about his idol (Bush*).
For a brief, shining momeent last February, he told me he was seriously thinking of voting Democratic this year. Turns out he was just trying to fuck with me, trying to see what I'd say.

He's a scab.
Hell, I'll go as far as to say he's a traitor to his union, and should quit.
The reason he stays there? He LOVES the benefits; thinks they're excellent. But he simply does not understand the reason's WHY he has those benefits. He seriously thinks that it's becuase of the benevolence of the company. (Here's the funny part: he's a bus driver for the city.)

I pity him. I really do. But I don't think I can be friends with him anymore, either.




The Cold Civil War is here.

[missouri dem]

4. I was in Iowa a month ago and saw a bumper sticker that said:

Union member for Bush. It made me sick. How could that creep get away with that?

[RoyalWickedness]

10. There's one of those on a truck

right around the corner from my house. Every time I see it I get a VERY strong urge to whip out a Sharpie and write "TRAITOR" over it...

[Kathy in Cambridge]

5. Agreed, Louis. I saw a Bush Cheney sticker on an undercover cop car

a few months back in Cambridge, and I wanted to ask if he thought his union would exist if Bush had his way. According to a friend of mine who is a Cambridge police officer, the department has received very little 'Homeland Security' money, despite the existence of a nuclear reactor at MIT and Cambridge's proximity to the harbor where natural gas tankers doc.

[nosmokes]

6. iatse member here

and i equate it to shitting in the kitchen.

but that holds true for any working person.

and the NYC firefighters may be some brave and heroic people, and i admire them for that, but they don't have the backbone of a daisy when it comes to union solidarity.

[Love Bug]

7. I agree with you

I've never been a member of a union, but I realize if it weren't for unions we would all be working 6 days a week with little or no benefits. My grandfather lost his job with Ford (this is when old Henry was still in charge) for ATTENDING a union meeting. Yes, I understand there has been corruption over the years, but the American worker is still much better off with unions.

The American worker has suffered much under Boosh and I don't understand why anyone making less than $200,000/year would support him.

[China_cat]

9. union web manager here

[newyawker99]

17. Hi China_cat!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. There are quite a few union members who have been voting GOP recently

Here in PA, the GOP has used social issues like abortion and gun control to get a significant portion of the union vote. Western PA has a lot of union members and retirees, but these guys tend to be conservative on social issues.

And then there are the moderate GOP politicians. These guys vote moderately enough so that they are on the same page with the unions some of the time. Phil English (Congressman who has Tom Ridge's old seat) often get a few unions to endorse him, and Arlen Specter has actually been endorsed by the state AFL-CIO.

[IrateCitizen]

15. In Specter's case, it's completely understandable

Despite the (R) next to his name, Arlen Specter has consistently been a pro-union Senator. He's one of the last of a dying breed -- the moderate-to-liberal Republican.

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. But many more conservative GOPers are still getting a lot of support

from union voters. Rick Santorum and Melissa Hart are two prime examples.

[cheshire]

11. My husband is a union man who sees idiots too often. In CA it's the worst

kind to traitor ever. I Know not all are scabs but I think they just screw themselves. I just don't want them to screw with us. Hubby can't even get them to be open minded. They are scared the bombs are coming just for them I guess. I can't fiqure them out.

[louis c]

19. Ya, it Makes Me Sick

I have members who want me to produce better wages and benefits, yet they are for Bush.

"Get me what I want, I won't make it any easier for you, and, by the way, f**k everyone else."

[seabeyond]

12. or anyone with children, grandchildren, nieces or nephews,

friends with children or just an over all love for children. anyone woman, senior, minority, someone making under 200k, christian, jew, moslum, atheist, anyone who breathes the air is a scad of they vote for bush.

[goddess40]

14. They should have to turn over all the extras the union has got for them

Subtract their pay from minimum wage, remove any type of insurance, Vacation, sick leave, days off- besides Sunday. If they say what they'd be giving up that might wake them up - no some people are too stupid.

[debatepro]

16. as we say in texas

get a rope

[HootieMcBoob]

18. not to piss in the punchbowl but

OSHA has been left impudent under Bush, putting workers at safety and health risk.

I think you mean impotent :smoke:

[louis c]

24. Thanks for the correction

Can't win them all.

[genius]

20. EXACTLY

[GalleryGod]

21. Is out of his Mether Feckin' Mind!

The Frontline Special last night both enraged:grr: and scared me when it came to Dumbo and the also Nutty Mrs. Dumbo:puke:

[Hubert Flottz]

22. 30 year member of AFL CIO Building Trades Union and scab is

the right word for them! Unpatriotic Scabs! Every job, every factory, that is shipped out of America in a time of war, weakens our national security!

First they came after the Steel Workers, but I was not a member of USWA, so I didn't speak out! Then they came after the mine workers, but I was not a member of the UMWA, so I didn't speak out! Then they came after the communications workers and the garment workers, but I was neither, so I didn't speak out! Then they came after my overtime, hospitalization, safety on the job, right to collective bargaining, right to strike, pension, social security, savings account, house, car, wife, kids, beer, dogs, guns, and my even my damned Big Screen TV, but there was no one left to speak out for me!

History repeats it's self and if we don't watch out, America will be like it was when the Coal Barons ruled the country! Like it was before the unions were formed! Reagan started the union busting and it still goes on today! Bush is far worse than Reagan! Four more years of this misery will be the end of decent jobs in America for the middle class!

We may not have another chance to stop the bleeding of jobs and the steady decline of the American standard of living, if we lose in November! The worker's rights we ALL enjoy today were paid for with American worker's blood! It's a shame to see what little value some Americans place on the great deeds and the great sacrifices, of the founders and builders of America's great labor movement! The unions have played a huge part in the total greatness of America! Without the unions there would be no middle class! Just the "Masters" and the dirt poor again, like in the 1880s!

“First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.”

Welcome to DU brother Louis C!

[louis c]

25. You use the German analogy

I tell my members who are with Bush that they are like a Jewish voter in Germany in 1931 with a bumper sticker on his car that read "Jews for Hitler".

Bush and his cronies are out to destroy us the same way Hitler and his henchmen were out to exterminate Jews during the Third Reich.

Hitler won an election by coming in second, too.

[Cats Against Frist]

26. The GOP's lack of support for unions unmasks their dirty heads

They hate the government, right? While the laws do bestow collective bargaining rights on unions -- if everyone were on board, unions wouldn't even need to be granted a "right" to bargain, they'd just be able to, because no one would lower themselves to being a dirty, scummy scab.

Unions are the perfect example of the "personal responsibility" that the GOP is always hawking. A non-governmental group of citizens, standing together to fight for what's right.

Of course, in THIS world it doesn't work, because the GOP, in the interest of corporate profit, along with its other brainwashing, magical thinking and re-education programs, has once again convinced their gullible constituency to stand against their best interest.

Unions rock. And ANYONE who votes for the Chimp is stupid, not just union members. :)

[driver8]

27. Iatse member / newbie

I have been lurking here for a couple of weeks and thought it was time I joined in the discussions. These forums are amazing -- I am learning so much from all of you.

Anyhow, I am a union member who despises Dubya and this administration. I overheard some guys at work last week saying that they were voting for Bush. I stopped dead in my tracks and said, "you guys have got to be fucking kidding me. Why in the hell would anyone in a union vote for Bush? He would bust these unions in a heartbeat if he could." One of the guys replied, "Well...Kerry is a pussy, bleeding heart liberal." I said, "You guys like the health plan we have? The overtime? If Bush had his way, that would all be history. You guys need to get your heads out of your asses and find out what's going on...you guys don't have a clue."

These guys are "new" guys and have not been in the union a year yet. There is one guy in this group that seems to be the "ring leader" and he kind of influences the other guys. I wish people would see through the Bush smoke screen and see what is really going on.

Anyhow, glad to be here!!

[louis c]

28. You hit the nail right on the head

When he says Kerry is a liberal, remind him of this.

Kerry has a 96% Liberal voting Record, and 92% pro-labor.

The assholes on the other side lump in all pro-worker votes as "Liberal", like the right to organize, increase of minimum wage, extended unemployment benefits, Health Insurance, time and a half for overtime, extended family leave, and health and safety standards. Ask your co-workers which one of these "Liberal" ideas they're against so we can try to take it out of our contract next time.

I then call them stupid f**king morons that have been brainwashed by drug addicts like Bush and Rush into voting against their own interests, I always finish with, "You make me sick".

They are left with their mouths open, but no words come out. No one in my Union ever,ever says a kind word about Bush in front of me anymore. I humiliate them in front of all the members. Gee, it's great being the Business Agent.

[ZombieNixon]

33. Welcome to DU, driver8!

:hi:

[goddess40]

29. correctional officers in WI vote republican

They are afraid that the Dems will take their hunting guns away from them. This lie is force feed to them by the NRA. The can vote for Bush and when he destroys the environment and they have nothing left to hunt they'll have no one to blame but themselves.

[harpo]

30. Toledo plant workers...

There are TONS of them up there...they are all in unions...go UNIONS!!!

[senseandsensibility]

32. Yes, I agree

brother. I have participated and organized a strike. It was a great experience in some ways, and we won! My school had 100& of its staff go out, but at some schools a tiny number actually crossed the line. The thing that gets me angry to this day is that these scabs benefitted from their co-workers sacrifice and bravery. They got the pay raise WE earned, and the working condition improvements. But they still think striking was wrong!!:mad: I wonder if any of them would be willing to return their raises then? Any union member who votes for * is just as guilty.

[louis c]

34. Keep up the good fight

and God Bless America.

"A true patriot supports his country all the time, but his government only when it deserves it"....Mark Twain