Becareful about Freepers with polls tonight

[AnIndependentTexan]

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Do not vote in any of the online polls tonight
Kerry Spot ^ | Jim Geraghty


Posted on 10/13/2004 12:14:04 PM PDT by vmivol00


SPIN THOSE POLLS! SPIN THOSE POLLS! <10/13 02:50 PM>

UPI reports on the efforts to spin online polls and mass-mailed letters to the editor.

President George W. Bush and Sen. John F. Kerry will walk across the stage Wednesday night and greet each other at the beginning of the third and final presidential debate. Already, across the country, e-mail messages are arriving in newsroom inboxes declaring a winner. A new form of spam is emerging this fall, called debate-spin spam, experts told UPI's The Web. The veracity of the e-mail messages being sent as letters to the editor is coming into question, as are the timing and content of many of the messages, because a significant percentage is being generated by bots, or intelligent software agents.

Which reminds me, it's time for the Pajamahadeen to continue our jujitsu operations. We had some success recently, but I think it's time to set our sights higher.

As usual, the instant online polls of news organizations, that the DNC is steering its members to here, will be less valuable and useful if the result is so stunningly skewed that no one believes it. So a poll that shows Kerry won 99 percent to 1 percent is less useful to the DNC than one that shows Kerry won 70 percent to 30 percent....
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Lets let the polls show ridiculous numbers that Kerry won 99% to 1%. People will see through this completely.

1 posted on 10/13/2004 12:14:04 PM PDT by vmivol00
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I agree.



2 posted on 10/13/2004 12:14:56 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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I'm so disheartened that Kerry won the 3rd debate by 98%.



3 posted on 10/13/2004 12:15:41 PM PDT by Question Liberal Authority

[apnu]

1. once again... freepers live in la-la land...

Source your bullshit guys... seriously.

UPI reports that? Really? Sounds made up to me.

Freepers are dummies.

[yardwork]

8. UPI is owned by Rev Moon

[AnIndependentTexan]

2. Freepers are spreading rumors and lies already

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244058/posts

Debate Questions Leaked, CBS Denies Internet Rumors
Scrapple Face ^ | 10/13/04 | Scott Ott


Posted on 10/13/2004 12:13:40 PM PDT by pookie18


Questions allegedly drafted by CBS reporter Bob Schieffer for tonight's final presidential debate of 2004 were accidentally emailed to Mr. Schieffer's "buddy list" then forwarded to a blogger who leaked them to the public.

CBS immediately disavowed the questions and refused to launch an internal investigation to discover the cause of the leak. Nevertheless, internet rumors persist that the following questions on domestic policy are among those Mr. Schieffer plans to ask President George Bush and John Forbes Kerry, who is also a U.S. Senator.

To Kerry: Sen. Kerry, if an American earns more than $200,000 per year, and has $35,000 more than he needs to pay his bills: What should he do with the extra money? Choose the alternative which is best for America: a) Spend it on a new Chrysler Crossfire. b) Hire a new employee for his business. c) Invest it in a stock mutual fund. d) Send it to the Internal Revenue Service so President Kerry can use it to help people whose lives were ruined by the Bush administration.

To Bush: Mr. President, of all the mistakes you have made in the White House, which one made you look most stupid and unfit to be president?

To Kerry: Since your healthcare plan (available at JohnKerry.com) is not a federal government takeover of one-seventh of the U.S. economy, what hope can you really offer to save us from this horrendous crisis?

To Bush: After you leave the White House in January 2005, do you think you'll return to your privileged life of leisure or will you team up with former vice president Cheney to make confiscatory profits in the oil industry?

To Kerry: Given your failure, during two decades in the senate, to introduce legislation to provide healthcare for all Americans, tell us about your most heroic moment in combat in Vietnam?

To Bush: With your administration's track record of demanding accountability from public schools, does it ever embarrass you or the First Lady that you look so much like a chimpanzee?

To Kerry: As president, what will you do to ensure that Americans don't squander their opportunity to retire in luxury on Social Security?

To Bush: Mr. President, what's that thing on your back, under your jacket?

To Kerry: Sen. Kerry, since you're a child of privilege who attended private schools and married a wealthy heiress, does it shock you that President Bush lacks your sense of compassion for hard-working middle Americans?

To Bush: What's your favorite feature of Sen. Kerry's plan?
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Meet Bob Schieffer, CBS’s Dan Rather Echo
MRC ^ | 10/13/04 | Tim Graham and Rich Noyes


Posted on 10/13/2004 12:09:25 PM PDT by ZGuy


Rathergate or No Rathergate, CBS’s Face the Nation Host Has Given Brickbats for Bush, Kudos for Kerry.

Conservatives have complained that CBS’s Bob Schieffer should not be rewarded with a moderator’s post after CBS tried to crumble the Bush campaign with forged military documents. They could suggest that Schieffer has failed the test of objectivity all by himself.

Kerry’s Deft. “This is the best speech I have ever heard John Kerry make. I listened to a lot of speeches back there in the primary. This was the best. This was a very deft critique of policy.” — Schieffer during CBS’s live coverage of the Democratic Convention, July 29, 2004. He found Bush’s convention speech “too long.”

Liberalism Is Not an Issue. “He said, you know, ‘Let's talk about the issues.' Well, we all know that one of the first things they're going to do is not talk about the issues. They're going to define John Kerry, and they're going to try to paint him as a left-wing liberal who's out of touch with the rest of the country.” — Schieffer on The Early Show, March 3, 2004.

Iraq = Vietnam. “No matter how bad the news from Vietnam was, official after official came on Face the Nation to say progress was being made, the press just wasn't reporting it. From the day the war turned bad in Iraq, you could take the words that were said back then and put them into the mouths of today's administration spokesmen and never notice the difference.” — Schieffer on Face the Nation, November 16, 2003.

We’re Losing. “The President said this week that we are winning and that this violence just shows that the other side is getting desperate. But if this is winning, you have to ask the question: How much of this ‘winning' can we stand?” — Schieffer to Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) on Face the Nation, November 2, 2003.

SDI? DOA. “I'll lay my cards on the table: I think anti-ballistic missile defense systems are a bad idea and this is something I've thought for 20 years.” — Schieffer on Imus in the Morning, July 17, 2001.

What Liberal Media? “People are just stunned. It's such a wacky charge, and a weird way to go about it....I don't know what Bernie was driving at. It just sounds bizarre.”— Schieffer on CBS reporter Bernard Goldberg's eye-catching Wall Street Journal editorial charging a liberal bias at CBS, February 15, 1996 Washington Post.

Could He Go This Soft on Daddy? “All of us wonder what is it like to be out there when you hear these attacks on your dad? How do you handle that?” — Schieffer to John Kerry's daughters, Alexandra and Vanessa, on the August 22, 2004 Face the Nation.

Gibson as Role Model. ABC’s Charles Gibson chose citizen questions on Friday that resulted in a balanced, informative debate. Let’s hope Schieffer can do the same.
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Most fellow Republicans I know are skipping the debate tonight because of each moderator thus far. Bob will be no different. I too will opt to read about it tomorrow on freerepublic.



2 posted on 10/13/2004 12:14:52 PM PDT by sarasota
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Bob Schieffer is a shill for the Democrat Party. No more, no less. He may be more polite than Rather, but Schieffer is just as biased.



4 posted on 10/13/2004 12:16:53 PM PDT by elbucko
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I'm not watching it either, hugh hewitt is live blogging and he does a great job, he breaks down the questions with each answer and grades them, so I think I'll leave the food network on and just surf the net



5 posted on 10/13/2004 12:19:29 PM PDT by hipaatwo
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[AnIndependentTexan]

3. More of their lies[BTW is it just me or do these people sound defeated?]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244032/posts

Is Anyone Else Here Concerned About The Liberal Moderator (Schieffer) of Tonights Debate?


Posted on 10/13/2004 11:49:14 AM PDT by jmstein7


Lat night on Hannity and Colmes, Bob Schieffer was a guest. When asked about bias, he more or less said that he didn't think that it was possible to be objective, but that he thought he could be "fair."

Statements like that are nothing short of alarming.

I know that the President is well armed with the fact, and well rested. However, when you have a hostile, liberal moderator in effect "testifying" via his questions, it can directly affect the public perception of the debate.

Recall the first debate -- the moderator's questions were so biased that the President was forced to play defense for almost 90 minutes while Kerry was enabled in his attacks.

Comments?

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Very concerned. But there's really nothing that can be done about it. I question the wisdom of the RNC for allowing the debates to be set up this way.

What WERE they thinking?



4 posted on 10/13/2004 11:52:41 AM PDT by EggsAckley
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have decided not to watch, sKerry could use profanity every other word, lie, distort, and other wise make an ass of himself. The MSM spin will out spin the truth and make sKerry smell like roses.

What's the point, I have known since 9/11 who I was going to vote for. Why torture myself further.

6 posted on 10/13/2004 11:53:14 AM PDT by RepTazman
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It doesn't matter WHO the moderator is! A skilled debator who is in tune with his knowledge and numbers and speaks well should be able to ride over a putz like Bob Shi#-for-brains. Unfortunately, the President does not have such skills.



8 posted on 10/13/2004 11:54:16 AM PDT by albie
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What I remember about the 2000 election most was the approach to Al Gore. The media had some very negative coverage of him, they felt he'd lost the debates, etc. This time there is nothing in Pres. Bush's favor from any of them, and we can include Fox News way at the top in that direction.

The moderator for the V.P. debate and Charlie Gibson were OK for the most part. Only Lehrer was blatant. We can hope for something similar to the 2 moderators who were in favor of Kerry but tried to have it somewhat balanced. But his comments to Hannity are not encouraging, you're right about that. Let's all pray full-time about this debate.



10 posted on 10/13/2004 11:54:24 AM PDT by BonnieJ
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Schieffer is a real has been. Just like Rather both should have retired years ago.
That said, Ole Bob will surely want to add something to his liberal resume for his legacy.


13 posted on 10/13/2004 11:55:11 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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I don't trust him to be fair. I saw how he acted after the first debate and he was angry and complaining about President Bush not answering the questions and he thought that the moderator should have pressed him to answer... I didn't see him complain about Kerry!



14 posted on 10/13/2004 11:55:34 AM PDT by ruoflaw
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A good player doesn't blame the table. Bush has had to put up with liberals his whole life.

Bush ought to have some pat answers for the questions he knows he is going to be asked. Almost everywhere on TV, a "debate" consists of a liberal host and a liberal guest (or 2) beating up on a lone conservative. Bush should be able to hold his own.



15 posted on 10/13/2004 11:55:43 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority
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Email to me:
Bob Schieffer Obsessed: STOP BUSH


Bob Schieffer Obsesses Over How Iraq
is Now “Guerrilla War”
More than a few journalists in recent days have raised the charge that the U.S. is now involved in a “guerrilla war” in Iraq, a term meant to invoke fears of another Vietnam-like quagmire. But no one has been obsessed with the idea as Bob Schieffer, who raised it repeatedly on Sunday's Face the Nation. Schieffer opened the June 29 broadcast with the theme: “Today on Face the Nation, has Iraq become a guerrilla war?”

Schieffer proceeded to propose the notion to Senators John McCain and Chris Dodd. To McCain: “What many people are wondering is have we moved from one phase of this war into another phase? Rather than being over, are we now into a guerrilla war, do you think?” To Dodd: “Do you believe this is an organized resistance? Have we now gotten ourselves into a guerrilla war?”

Schieffer launched the Sunday show: “Today on Face the Nation, has Iraq become a guerrilla war? Dozens of attacks on American troops have been reported in just the last week, and since May 1st, at least 63 Americans have died in Iraq. Are more troops needed now, and why can't Saddam Hussein be found? And did the U.S. administration plan for this? These are the questions for Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, and Chris Dodd, Democrat from Connecticut.”

Schieffer's first question to McCain, appearing via satellite from Phoenix, Arizona: “Senator McCain, since May 1st, 63 Americans have now died -- and I believe some 23 of those have been killed in combat -- in Iraq. I say that, since May 1st, because that was the day that the President declared combat operations over in Iraq. What many people are wondering is have we moved from one phase of this war into another phase? Rather than being over, are we now into a guerrilla war, do you think?”
McCain: “I think we're in a phase of the reconstruction of Iraq, the installation of the principles and functions of a democratic society, which is incredibly difficult. I think all of us who saw this basically as two phases: one, a military operation which was decisive, which we're all proud of, and a very, very difficult, long and perhaps expensive in American blood and treasure operation, worth it, but very long and difficult....”

Schieffer's first question to Dodd, who was in studio: “Senator Dodd, you've just heard Senator McCain. Do you believe this is an organized resistance? Have we now gotten ourselves into a guerrilla war?”
Dodd: “Well, I think John's choice of words was the right one. It's certainly, I wouldn't call it an insurgency yet. The irony might be here that the opposition is better organized for the reconstruction phase than we were, in a sense...”

Bob Schieffer Obsessed: STOP BUSH



20 posted on 10/13/2004 11:56:53 AM PDT by BellStar
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You and me both. I can't stand watching the "debates" since they seem to be so very biased.

Again, I know who I'm voting for - I don't care to see the dems try to make a fool out of the Commander in Chief with idiotic logic and stupid accusations AGAIN (just like they do every minute of every other day)...



21 posted on 10/13/2004 11:56:59 AM PDT by Traci

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[MoonRiver]

4. If only they could give AWOL a brain transplant,

the freepers' plan for a Christian fundamentalist world take-over would be a real possibility. :eyes:

[AnIndependentTexan]

5. The way they plan to spin the polls[Note inform media about 16 and 27]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1244005/posts

I have said this before. Instead of Freeping the polls like the DU does, we should be going to DU and following their links to DU the polls. Make them so out of whack that it is obvious that the Dims are artificially influencing the polls.

Just my 2 Aussie Dollars worth.

12 posted on 10/13/2004 11:35:35 AM PDT by LunaticSVT
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An overwhelming vote for Kerry will force the issue of this democratic dirty trick out into the open. Even the media will be forced to admit to games being played if the votes come down with Kerry at 90% or more.



14 posted on 10/13/2004 11:37:51 AM PDT by cripplecreek
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We should ALL vote that Kerry WON the debate BEFORE the debate even starts. LOL
Make them look stupid!



15 posted on 10/13/2004 11:37:57 AM PDT by GottaLuvAkitas1
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Alright coders I know your out there. Its time for you to write some bots and distribute to the FR army.

If the leftist a--holes are gonna play this game lets get in the game with overwhelming firepower.

16 posted on 10/13/2004 11:42:27 AM PDT by myself6
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An overwhelming vote for Kerry will force the issue of this democratic dirty trick out into the open. Even the media will be forced to admit to games being played if the votes come down with Kerry at 90% or more.



AGREED! Lets all do this and do this big time! I have written emails to all of the MSM online polling that their polls are being rigged and plugged by DNC but to no avail...last time I voted on CNN polling they had 12,000 votes Kerry won the 2nd election and 521 for Bush...so obvious what is going on...let's all vote Kerry and unveil more of their dirty tricks!!!



17 posted on 10/13/2004 11:43:21 AM PDT by IndianPrincessOK
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Yeah. If they are using bots to overwhelm these online polls with Kerry crap, then the only way to really fight that is to have Freeper bots do the same thing. At this point I wouldn't even worry about the online polls. Let them show Kerry winning 100%...that should show that the polls are worthless.



19 posted on 10/13/2004 11:44:19 AM PDT by LadyJMayo
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Whatever....


If the enemy is going to deploy a weapon we should deploy the same weapon in greater numbers. If for nothing else than to expose these on-line polls as a sham.

20 posted on 10/13/2004 11:46:55 AM PDT by myself6
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Agree with you. In fact, think it's a great idea to actually paste the DNC letter from McAwful and mail those to the local papers and just write that we're doing as the DNC asked us to do!

Look at all of the newspapers that received letters and emails before the debate had begun saying that Kerry won?

Going to send it to my local Liberal rag and the SFChronic.



21 posted on 10/13/2004 11:50:24 AM PDT by BlessedByLiberty
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I agree, we know and they know that online polls are meaningless,but in this instance they are choosing to give them weight and spin them as evidence of Kerry's "win",and the MSM is in on the act.Remember Prissy Matthews using MSNBC's online poll as "proof" that the public thought that Kerry won. If they're going to point to these polls,as they did last time,we need to be able to point at them also.We have GOT to start beating them at these games,meaningless and irrelevant as they may factually be,because by ignoring them,we're allowing them to make the rules as they go and giving them the game by default.



25 posted on 10/13/2004 12:11:10 PM PDT by mrsmel
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VOTE FOR KERRY in all these silly online polls.




26 posted on 10/13/2004 12:11:27 PM PDT by AFPhys
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I am going to write the newspapers now and tell them the DNC told me to tell them Kerry won. What a wonderful idea. I'm lucky I know how to turn on the computer and would have no idea how to make a BOT but I can e-mail all the newspaper columnists and let them know Terry McAwful said that Kerry won.



27 posted on 10/13/2004 12:12:08 PM PDT by Merry
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Thank you, I think we need to ask others to do the same. We should add the NYSlimes Washington Post, etc., to our mailings. Well worth the stamps! :)

28 posted on 10/13/2004 12:14:56 PM PDT by BlessedByLiberty
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[Arkana]

6. News flash, freaks...

it'll only show that your numbers are so damn small that you couldn't possibly outnumber those nasty, nasty liberals and thus have given up on even trying.

[humanbeing]

9. DU has numerical superiority! (and also mental superiority)

If they try to tilt the polls to kerry, we'll just balance it to bush to make it look more like it really should :D

This whole thing is just about appearances to the MSM-reading public, anyway, right? So we'll just balance out whatever they try to do. Idiot freepers, you can't win against a majority THIS time!

I'm so excited for the debate. WAY better than sports!

[LuminousX]

10. MSM?

What's that?

[LuminousX]

11. please, oh, please

let the Freepers follow through on this threat because you know half of them are frustrated with Bush and secretly want him removed so a true conservative Republican can have a chance in 2008 but they can't actually say that without being torn apart by the Bush Pod People.

If the polls skew is dramatic than I know my thesis is correct.

[cindyw]

12. 99 to 1? Are they suggesting that without the votes of freepers, only 1%

of other people would vote for Bush in a poll? Some of those polls have 10's of thousands of votes. I know there are not 200,000 votes coming from DU.

[BUSHOUT]

13. Some are planning on voting for Kerry.......n/t