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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:09 PM
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The Media loves the "Dem's Fighting" --- Are we at DU Blind ?
There is a "ton of content" and debate that can be shared about a candidates position vs the train wreck president in office.

The media does not want this shared with the public. Hence, what is news:

* democratic fights - headline
* Dean's anger- headline
* Sharpton attacking - headline
* Paul O'Neill - ignored


Here at DU ...we continue the media's work on this thread instead of educating a new person everyday as to the real person we are trying to replace and hopefully your candidate wins.

Rove and the GOP probably have plenty of DU posters encouraging this behavior.

After all...this is what the mdeia will be like all next year. Ignoring the facts like Paul O'Neill brings and encouraging the dis-ruptors, on DU and elsewhere.

If you are scoring...each time we fight...it helps them gain another sheeple/pawn for the dicatator.

Use your anger to bring another voter into the party, enlighten them, share some truths or positions.

It might work.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:10 PM
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1. Yup. (n/t)
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:14 PM
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2. Perhaps
Maybe if some of the dwarfs that are still only getting single digits would bow out and let the party thrive, perhaps the focus wouldn't be so much on Dems fighting each other and the serious candidates can get to what should be the order of the day, which is handing President Bush his ass.
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1floridademocrat Donating Member (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:15 PM
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3. Kinda funny..
I just posted this at Dkos..

Kinda long.. but..

The Blog-O-Sphere.. Our Greatest Strength, Our Greatest Weakness

These days, the media is full of references to the “blogs” and how they interconnect with the 2004 Presidential election. The main reason being is the rise of the Dean campaigns use of the Internet as both an organizing tool, and a fundraising machine. While John McCain started this last time, Dean has taken it to a new height, and changed the face of how Democratic campaigns run themselves.

I don’t say that lightly, and I said Democratic campaigns for a reason. Republicans don’t seem to have the same connection to the Internet that Democrats do. Whether it’s the rather free flowing way the Internet works that turns them off, or simply they don’t see the need, the Republican party has not embraced the new Internet medium with nearly the same fervor that the Democrats have. To be sure there ARE Republican groups out there, the most notorious being the Free Republic, who have earned themselves the nickname of “Freepers” for there tactics, and long standing arguments with Democratic bastions such as “Democratic Underground” and “DailyKos”

Why does the Blog system work? Its simple, it allows people who while normally might be political in a small local group to become a vocal entity in an ever changing conversation. You can connect with those who may feel exactly the way you do while you may not have anyone local, you have the blogs. This strength in organizing, and discourse can’t be overstated, it’s an amazing thing that hopefully will continue to grow and foster another strong base in the Democratic Party.

However, this medium DOES have its problems, and those problems are becoming more and more evident. There are 2 main issues with blogs, and these 2 problems have the potential to do a lot of harm. What are these problems?

Simply put it boils down to “Internet Anonymity” and pride. The anonymity problem is not a new one, since discussion boards began, there has always been the fact that people, when they are basically anonymous will say things more openly, but also will say things on purpose to make people mad, because there is no repercussions for their actions.
In a political year like 2004, this problem has gotten a fair amount worse with the now near constant fight between the “Deaniacs” and the “Anybody But Dean” crowd. These groups share a common goal, and all in all they share common beliefs, and probably would generally like each other in a face-to-face meeting.

However, with the anonymous factor, these 2 groups spend more time and energy blasting each other than doing much else. And members of both groups ignore their common goals and hopes and fall into the “I won’t vote for your guy” idea, simply because of anger, frustration, and in the case of the extreme few, hate.

The other main problem is Pride. I use this because all in all, the people who participate in these online discussions tend to be well-educated, smart people. They aren’t dumb, and they know it. Unfortunately one of the main side effects of being smart and knowing it is the sense that everyone who doesn’t agree with you is less smart. And this pride causes a lot of friction between supporters of various candidates. There is an underlying “You can’t believe that, you must be an idiot” if some other poster disagrees with someone from another camp.

True, these are generalizations, but spend some time reading the big Democratic boards where you get multiple posters from various camps, and it stares right out at you.

Now, the last question is, how will this all play out in the end? Will the different groups really bury the hatchet, and move on together after the primary season is over? Or will this divide really hamper our party in 2004? It’s a big question, one that in truth we have never had to answer in quite this way. While there has always been rancor between groups, the fact is there has never been this much open connection between opposing camps. Will people forget there harsh words and anger? Or will, those same groups continue to fight each other, for the only reason of pride and hurt feelings. One hopes that they will come together, and realize that the Internet is a tool, not a goal. That political discussion is a great way of discussing ideas, not spouting opinions as facts. And, finally, that there are real possible ramifications in losing your eye on the prize.

We are Democrats
We are united.
We will win in 2004.



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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:15 PM
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4. that music you hear ....
is the media whores pimping the infighting...:(
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:15 PM
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5. Meadow muffins.
Name ONE person who did not vote for George last time who IS voting for him next time. ONE.

If you can't, don't bother me with your panicked generalities.

We are engaged in a vigorous and, yes, venomous debate. We're Democrats. We don't march in lockstep and we don't do our business in secret.

If that confuses and upsets the media, too damn bad.

We're fighting to save a nation.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:16 PM
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7. Thank you
IT sure is disheartening to see the politics of fear used within our own party. The big scary mean monster is going to get us! Get in line, quick!

:eyes:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:20 PM
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9. agree
after the convention it's going to be a full court press vs. the Republicans.

All this infighting will be ancient history.
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PatrioticOhioLiberal Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:56 PM
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12. Slinging shit
is a business now?

Who'd a thunk it?

LOL
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:15 PM
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6. Not ALL of us..only the ones who spew this dribble....
And the vast majority of these..with a few major exceptions who should be ashamed of themselves (and you KNOW who you are)...seem to be relative newcomers who present themselves as supporters of anti-Dean candidates (usually Clark).

I do not trust these people, and suspect that a significant proportion of them are disruptors.

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PatrioticOhioLiberal Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 01:05 PM
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14. Does this mean
newcomers should move to the back of the bus, set down & shut up?

"Welcome newbies...please remember to march in lockstep or be accused of nefarious plot against the democratic party."

:wow:
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edzontar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:51 PM
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15. No-
But some may not be "Real" Democrats.

Beyond the obvious sisruptor element, there is a faction here which appear, to me, to be solely Clark supporters, with little or no commitment to the party in the broader sense.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:19 PM
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8. The media pimped Dean's attacks on the other Democrats since last February
They highlighted it every chance they could to hurt the Dem party.

NOW people are bothered that Dean is getting some reciprocation?

NOW people are bothered that the seeds of discord planted by Dean a year ago are sprouting?

Some of us noted that the discord flamed by Dean against Democrats was making the media happy. We also knew it would NOT be good for the Democratic party in the long run.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:27 PM
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10. Give me a break. This process is making us stronger than ever
Edited on Mon Jan-12-04 12:28 PM by info being
Have you heard the messaging coming out of these guys lately? Competition is good. The media is getting nervous, that's all.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:30 PM
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11. It makes us stronger, see this 1992 article about Clinton
>>Ominous Polls:
A look at the Gallup polls over the past few months show why Democrats are becoming increasingly nervous about putting Clinton at the head of their ticket.
In a head-to-head match up on March 20, Bush led by only 52-43 percent and Clinton was indeed within striking range. But as the weekly disclosures took their toll during the ensuing primaries, Clinton's margin fell to 54-38 percent on March 29 and then fell further to 54-34 by the beginning of April.
Edit ...
"The negatives are forming on Bill Clinton like a political stalactite, drop by drop," said veteran Democratic consultant David Sawyer. "Each drip leaves a residue that builds on his negative image."
Edit ...
Quayle campaign committee, "We're following the Napoleonic maxim: Never interfere with the enemy when they are in the process of destroying themselves."<<
http://www.worldandi.com/public/1992/june/cr6.cfm


Hee hee, remember Quayle?
"If you have no enemies, it is a sign fortune has forgot you."
- Thomas Fuller (1608 - 1661)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 12:59 PM
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13. hehe
Great post!

Thanks! :D
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 04:56 PM
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16. I completely agree
I'm so sick of the attacks on each other.

What's the difference between democrats and cannibals? Cannibals eat only their enemies.
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