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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 09:53 PM
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The revelation of OBL lie might be this debate's lasting moment.
There it is in black & white, folks. Your prez'dint is a big LIAR.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 09:55 PM
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1. Exactimundo! It needs to get played OVER and OVER and OVER and
OVER until the sheeple GET IT!!!!!
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:01 PM
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2. It certainly should be.
But will the media follow up? Will the Democrats push it until the election? Every Democrat ought to be relating this.
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mike6640 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:06 PM
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3. They have been fairly good
at doing the 'fact check' thing in the past two pres. and vice pres debates. They may mention it, but then allow a RW talking head to spin it away.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:12 PM
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4. I didn't catch that moment... what happened?
??
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:43 PM
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20. Kerry said the prez said he didn't care about bin Laden
Prez says he never said that . . .

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:45 PM
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21. Remember when Bush said he really wasn't concerned about Bin Laden?
Well, Kerry happened to mention that little factoid in the debate.

Bush said that Kerry's comment on that was an exaggeration.

But film/video exists of Bush saying the very thing Kerry said Bush said.

And CNN even played that clip!
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:13 PM
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5. Yep. I've seen this whopper covered on at least four different channels.
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LTRS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:17 PM
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6. I was so thrilled he lied
Never thought I would be happy to see Bushie boy lie, but in this case I certainly am -- his "I'm not concerned about OBL" statement will get play over and over again for days. And what could be more perfect than that? They glossed over it and it never really got legs when he first said it. Now it will.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:17 PM
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7. This is great
It's getting that old dusty video back onto the air.
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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:20 PM
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8. We must make sure it is
There are lies and there are Lies.


This was a LIE
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:22 PM
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10. No, this was a

LIE

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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:21 PM
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9. Instead of explaining away the comment he LIED. Devastating mistake
All over the news now
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:23 PM
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11. I think you could be right
I expect a major tv spot within a day on shrub's Bin Laden lie.
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wabeewoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:23 PM
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12. The immigration one was a whopper too
He denounced exactly what he proposed earlier. Especially the part about not letting people skip to the front of the line. He must think we are all stupid!
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:34 PM
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13. OBL is either dead or terribly disfigured/injured or deathly sick....
I did not get a chance to watch the debate, but I have thought
about this for a long time. I remember when OBL was issuing a
video every month like clock work to Al Jazeera TV station.
He even sent the video where he was gloating about how he
masterminded 911.

Now be honest, what is the last time we have seen ANY video
of Osama which would confirm he is alive? I have not! The
Al Qaeda throws out a grainy voice recording of Osama once
in a while, but the video's are always from Jawahiri.

There is just no way a man with the ego of OBL would stay
silent for 2 years. His video's are known to be tremendous
morale boosters for his mis-guided followers.

So why have'nt we seen his Video's, but keep seeing video's
of his lieutenants? Obviously Al Qaeda does not want the news
of Osama's demise publicized since it would have a terribly
bad demoralizing effect on the Jihadi's.
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Mizmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:37 PM
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16. Consider that the last AQ vid
had the Egyptian doctor (his name escapes me now) talking about "carrying on the fight even if we are killed or captured."

Made me wonder if he was surrounded, or if OBL was dead, or something like that. The tone and the things said were much different than the last vids.

I suspect that an annoucement that OBL is dead may be the October Surprise.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:35 PM
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14. Spin: "He Wasn't Worried Because He Was In A Cave..."
Um....didn't he pull off 9/11 from a fucking CAVE???

Unreal...
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:36 PM
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15. Proof of the lie here, print it and distribute it!
Bush's priorities regarding OBL and the LIE he told in the 3rd debate. Print the flyer at the link below and plaster car windshields tomorrow!


Go to http://somnamblst.tripod.com to download high resolution TIF or PDF file to print.

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Texas_Dem Donating Member (584 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:38 PM
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17. Yes Sir.. BIG liar.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:40 PM
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18. He's either yelling or he's lying
Sometimes, both at the same time.
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:43 PM
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19. on 4 networks, with video
of him saying it. Pretty damning.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:11 PM
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22. I wrote up a brief e-mail with the link to the White House

and three quotes from his "not concerned about Osama" press conference and sent it out to bunches of newspeople.
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Psst_Im_Not_Here Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:17 PM
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23. Absolutely
I've included it in my LTTE's to various media outlets. IMHO, this should be a key talking point in all communications over the next few days. Shout it from the rooftops!
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:18 PM
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24. The rapid response team should have an ad with the lie and the actual
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 11:20 PM by Kahuna
quotes out by tomorrow. They shouldn't leave it to the media.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:22 PM
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25. I'm sure they already do, or Kerry wouldn't have said it
I don't think Kerry says anything without having thought about it. He is careful, deliberate, and is methodically dismantling the chimp.

It's pretty great to watch. Kerry is unflappable. I guess getting shot at in Vietnam made him impervious to stress. Not a bad trait.
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KelleyKramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:23 PM
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26. Bingo! .. Bush is a liar.

Bush cant blame that lie on the generals.

George Bush flat out lied to America tonight.



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bush equals idiot Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:28 PM
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28. I came right out of my chair like a lunatic when he said that.
Even spilled my drink.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:24 PM
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27. shrub is flip-flopper AND a liar!!!
On the same point!!

Hey, that's hard work!!
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:30 PM
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29. "Prez Bush was FOR catching Osama BEFORE he didn't give a crap about it"
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:37 PM
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32. *Snarf*
:7
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:34 PM
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30. No might be about it; definitely the bullseye of the next few days
But it won't be portrayed as a Bush lie as much as a lack of focus on the terrorist who was responsible for 9/11. That is MUCH better for Kerry.

Kerry's argument is Bush improperly shifted the focus on terror by targeting Iraq. Any leader who properly isolated Bin Laden and Al Queda after 9/11 would never have made such a grossly flippant comment about Bin Laden's whereabouts or importance. Especially after the "wanted dead or alive" bullshit bravado in the days after 9/11.

Bush's numbers as a leader and on national security will fall if that clip is portrayed as much as I think it will be.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:36 PM
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31. Bush's OBL Statement as Recorded on His Own Website!
That Bush quip about OBL that Kerry mentioned and Bush denied ever having said is on public record and can be found on the Internets! It's even on Bush's own website Whitehouse.gov!

President Bush Holds Press Conference
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Press Conference by the President
The James S. Brady Briefing Room
March 13, 2002

....
Q Mr. President, in your speeches now you rarely talk or mention Osama bin Laden. Why is that? Also, can you tell the American people if you have any more information, if you know if he is dead or alive?...

THE PRESIDENT: Deep in my heart I know the man is on the run, if he's alive at all. Who knows if he's hiding in some cave or not; we haven't heard from him in a long time...So I don't know where he is.

YOU KNOW, I JUST DON'T SPEND THAT MUCH TIME ON HIM, Kelly, to be honest with you.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
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shrub chipper Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:38 PM
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33. Isn't he saying that OBL is just a "nuisance"?
Where have we heard that before?
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