Republicans FURIOUS With Kerry Bringing Up CHENEY'S GAY DAUGHTER

[Placebo]

Lynne Cheney is calling Kerry a "bad man, bad man" for bringing it up, and some BUSH/CHENEY lackie just came on talking about how Kerry shouldn't have brought up the daughter of the VP.

Saying that it is VERY INAPPROPRIATE to do such a thing. Chris Matthews and his so-called "panel" on MSNBC call what Kerry said "jolting" "I wouldn't have said it." they are saying.

[Kimber Scott]

1. She's gay. They need to get over it.

nt

[osaMABUSh]

2. As John Stewart said "your LESBIAN daughter!!!"

to paraphrase JE in the Cheney debate

[LiberalFighter]

3. Who brought up Cheney's daughter in 2000??

[Kipepeo]

4. That's because they view it as something bad

something inherently immoral, bad, awful, thou shalt not speak of it....etc.

Shows their own prejudices.

[Kipepeo]

19. In addition they're pissed because

a lot of fundies don't KNOW Cheney's daughter is gay. Seriously. And they know how fundies view it. They know the prejudices because they COURT the prejudices.

[Jack from Charlotte]

38. I agree. Don't think it being mentioned in 2 debates is a mistake or

coincidence. That was to inform the wing-nuts out there the need to check into The Cheney family. They must be sinful if they have a Gay daughter.

[Kipepeo]

60. True, and it's also an indication

that the Cheney's (and Bush's) try to HIDE it. they don't want their base to know because they are ASHAMED. Why else would Cheney bring his whole fuckin' family on stage at the RNC EXCEPT MARY?

Hell, the Repukes didn't even want her there at all. They had Alan Keyes there calling her a "selfish hedonist." Of course...this was until the story broke that his daughter is gay also.

[mindfulNJ]

5. Why?

Is she NOT a lesbian? Are they ashamed of her?...hmmmm

[zoeb]

6. Come on give them something to talk about....

They even accused Edwards of outing her in the VP debate...But I do see this as one of their talking points.

[Kipepeo]

77. Outing her?!?

Please. They are so reaching. She has been out for a good long time. Has even workd for gay and lesbian organizations (until her daddy's campaign). And she came to the RNC with her partner.

Not to mention the fact that her PARENTS (yes, the gross Lynne and Dick) have talked about her when explaining their position.

The only thing is...they don't want it known on such a national scale. Because then some of the fundies might find out...The fundies they count on for the gay-hate vote.

www.dearmary.com

[Devil Dog Dem]

7. Ha ha!

Too bad, so sad.

[opiate69]

8. Cheney you, Lynne...

Your scumbag husband is a "bad, bad man" for reasons too numerous to count.

[gcomeau]

9. The VP brought it up first himself.

Cheney went public. Kerry wasn't outing the girl. Kerry didn't say anything negative about her.

They've got NOTHING.

[bloom]

67. That seems like the best response.

The Freepers/Fundies must have missed it.

[RetroLounge]

10. Tough Shit

Their family values are (not) showing...

RL

[lanparty]

11. They're right!!!!

He should have mentioned Lynn's Lesbian love novel "Sisters"!!!!!

[Lefta Dissenter]

12. why are they trying to hide her?

aren't they proud of her? I mean, SHE has come out and said that she's gay... why can't they say it outloud and embrace her? :shrug: (assholes)

[grannylib]

44. Cheney himself has mentioned it in his little "town meetings"....it's not

a secret.
They are just furious because their Naked Emperor has, once again, shown up in public without a stitch.

[Maiden England]

13. let them go cry me a fucking river

[ant]

14. I have to admit

I don't think it was "bad" that he brought her up, but I did sort of roll my eyes when he did. It seemed inappropriate and political, like he was forcing her into the answer when she wasn't really relevant.

[Placebo]

22. That's the Republican's line.

not calling you a freeper or anything, it's just that is THEIR reasoning as well

[Dickie Flatt]

23. Agreed [n/t]

[sonicx]

37. it is relevant

Bush and co hate gays so much that they'd discriminate against their own kids.

[Kipepeo]

62. It only seems inappropriate if we are of the mindset that it's

something to be ashamed of.

[Edwardsgroupie]

15. Edwards did the same thing

I think they did it to demonstrate to the religious right watching that conservatives have gay children, too. This was absolutely done with a purpose.

[Sparkly]

16. I guess they didn't lock the door to her closet. n/t

[mchill]

17. Repubs don't like it because they are still ashamed of

anybody who is gay...very telling. Hell, they talked about their relationships with their wives and daughters..that's personal too.

[juliagoolia]

75. we need to swarm the media on this one

IT IS PERSONAL.. to everyone that is GAY..not just the CHENEY family and they are trying to pass a constitutional amendment about something that is PERSONAL to more people than they Cheney family!

[wanpete]

18. Awhhh..

too bad, so sad....get over it.:scared:

[Renew Deal]

20. She is in the campaign.

[Texas_Dem]

21. What is wrong with being a lesbian? Lynne should be proud.

[sundog]

24. too fucking bad... you mess with the bull, you're gonna get the horns

posted by a queer american.

[Placebo]

30. Just like BUSH...

"I'M GOING TO BE REAL POSITIVE, WHILE I KEEP MY FOOT ON JOHN KERRY'S THROAT"

[sundog]

52. I their minds we should all just...

stay in the closet -- to bring it up in a bad bad thing... it's still a don't ask don't tell thing... It's OK to be gay as long as you don't say it :wtf:

JK is just exposing their hypocrisy -- good for him... I have no issue with it whatsoever

[sonicx]

25. yes, Cheney should be embarrassed for not raising a straight kid

what's wrong with him? :eyes:

[sofa king]

26. Shit, I would have brought up Bill O'Reilly's vibrator.

But I guess that's why I'm not running for President... yet.

[Swamp Rat]

27. HAHAHAHA!!!

They cannot stand the truth!

[4_Legs_Good]

28. I don't like the way they frame it either. They should ask

"This is a very personal question that we call can ask. I know the Vice President can ask it. If my son or daughter was gay, would I want him or her to have the right to marry the person he/she loves? Or do I think we should amend the Constitution to prevent them from doing so?"

david

[Kipepeo]

29. Like Alan Keyes and his daughter

he is more than happy to run on a platform of gay-hate and to call Mary Cheney a "selfish hedonist" but when the papers start asking him about his OUT lesbian daughter he's like: "No comment. It's MY personal life."

Shit. Then maybe you shouldn't be advocating laws that mess with people's personal lives.

[Endangered Specie]

31. Thats because its their dirty little secret...

sorta like that family member you never want to talk about.

[TheDonkey]

32. Lynne Cheney is a "sad woman, sad woman" to not speak out against this

trash they are doing to gays and lesbians across the country.

Kerry could have showed a picture with her crudely photo-shopped onto the convention floor expressing himself.

[My Pet Goat]

33. Are they ashamed of it ??

[theHandpuppet]

34. This is the only answer necessary:

http://dearmary.com/

[JI7]

35. Republicans brought it up with the Constitutional Amendment proposal

[meganmonkey]

36. God forbid we all have a GLB friend, relative co-worker

This shouldn't be so damn shocking anymore. Get over it!!!
I truly believe that in 15 more years this would never be a campaign controversy again. Sort of like bong hits.

[Thrill]

39. Is she ashamed or something?

lol

[bloom]

40. If they didn't see it as an insult

it wouldn't be a problem.

[RunningFromCongress]

41. When he brought it up I said "ehhh, bad move"

What I think he was honestly trying to do is get a figure BOTH sides are aware of in terms of the "ask her if she made a choice" but it came off as an attack

[Placebo]

45. Why do you think it came off as an attack?

just curious :)

[sonicx]

54. should mary be ashamed of being gay?

should we stuff her in a closet and never mention her?

[ladybugg33]

42. Are they furious because she is gay or because Kerry brought it up?

I thought it was a low point for Kerry but then, he deserves to make some trashy slams after the lies told on him. At least he is still telling the truth.

[meganmonkey]

61. not a trashy slam

they talked about their families a few times. to bring them up in relation to specific issues is not trashy. it's simply putting things into the perspective a normal person should when weighing issues. like, oh, it has an effect on my daughter/neighbor/coworker. hmmm...

[sonicx]

64. WHAT is trashing about being gay?

[spooky3]

43. Repugs. do not like facts. Facts bad.

[TexasBushwhacker]

46. Edwards brought her up too

and said that he respected the Cheney's for accepting and loving their daughter and Cheney said he appreciated his comment.

I agree, Lynn Cheney needs to get over it and Kerry nailed the gay marriage issue. We don't have any other federal laws regarding marriage. Why can't the states handle it just as the always have?

[madmax]

47. She's gay, she's out, get over it... n/t

[Jade Fox]

48. I can't stand Lynne Cheney. Anything that makes her mad is good.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

49. Boo hoo hoo

Oh wait. I mean ha ha ha.

[The Backlash Cometh]

50. That reminds me of the old days when everyone would whisper

the word, "cancer." It just wasn't polite to say it out loud. But that was well over 25 years ago. I find it shocking that the Cheney's would have trouble with their daughter's sexual orientation at this day in our evolution.

[tarheel_voter]

51. It is startling most republicans dont admit to knowing gay people

That fairy tale has been shattered forever. Kerry inoculated himself tonight by mentioning the name of someone who is gay and who "outed" herself long ago.

Forget this issue folks. Its gone for them!!!

[MAlibdem]

53. I thought it was a cheap shot.

[sonicx]

56. why, is being gay bad?

[2Design]

55. it is a natural state of being - and was treated as such by kerry

kerry is hetro and that is ok to talk about - so cheney daughter is gay and that should be ok to talk about -

[SemiCharmedQuark]

57. Under Bush she will CONSTITUTIONALLY be second class

THAT is what Lynn Cheney should be upset about.

[evilqueen]

58. Sounds like a good theme to harp on, if you ask me.

Homosexuality has been a natural part of humankind since... well, since humans. Obviously, the Cheneys have a problem accepting that, but it's a reality they need to face. There is nothing to be ashamed of, nothing to hide. People don't choose homosexuality... come on, if it was a choice, what sane person would CHOOSE to become part of a group that is continually beat up (even murdered), discriminated against, and socially outcast by religious fanatics and other narrow-minded people?

As for gay marriage... marriage is defined by the people who are in love, not by the state, not by a specific religion, and not by a community. No one has a right to interfere with that. IMHO, it doesn't matter if it's same sex or opposite sex... love is love. None of us have a right to tell someone they can never experience the love of another human being, can never form a lifetime commitment to each other, can never plan for a happy future where their partner is financially secure and has the same rights of visitation and other legal rights that married couples enjoy today. Marriage is not something anyone should define for anyone else.

[Zorra]

59. She's lesbian. Big deal. Republicans hide from truth. It's why so many

of them are perverts.

[librechik]

63. when yer stuck in the closet

the panties tend to get in a wad!

[shugah]

65. where is lynne saying this?

matthews and his panel and all that spin stuff is certainly expected. but if the mom of the "GAY DAUGHTER" (cue daily show echo ;-) ) is really calling kerry bad, bad, i'd like to see it.

are lynne and the troll under the bridge bogie man actually going with the "John Edwards outed our poor gay daughter" thing?

[Bombtrack]

66. People here are party-fucking-minded. If there was any way to deliver it

well, Kerry didn't do it. It was dumb and has been the low point, I think, of Kerry's performance in this debate, which I think he won clearly, and it was in the VP debate, which was barely an Edwards win.

And by low point I'm talking strictly of the performance of our guys and what sticks with people and what the GOP can use against us and what we hurt them with. Not the ethics. Although one has something to do wit the other

[fishwax]

68. I wish he'd handled that better

I think he was going for empathy, and attempting to be complimentary towards it as Edwards tried in complimenting dick, but it came off poorly. (I just want to make sure that everyone knows my opponent's running mate has a gay daughter.)

But it doesn't matter. It was one mild error in an otherwise outstanding performance. The reason the freeps are pissed is because (a) they are ashamed of the fact, and they know that many others with the same backwards kind of mind will see it similarly; and (b) because there isn't anything positive they can say about their candidates performance (gee, kind of like the last four years).

[Virginian]

69. The way to have handled it better would have

required clairvoyance. If Kerry had known that there was going to be a question put to Bush about "Do you think homosexuality is a choice?"
At that point Kerry could have rhetorically asked if Mary Cheney, the Vice President's daughter, chose to be gay.

Hmmm, Did I choose to be straight?

[fishwax]

72. Or to ask * when he chose to be straight

which is what matthews suggested ...

But I think the better way to have handled would be to answer the question without bringing cheney's daughter into it. If Kerry hadn't mentioned it, the mediawhores wouldn't have that point to dig their teeth into against Kerry. This could become one of the big stories of the debate, and overshadow some of the good work that Kerry did.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

70. Uh meanwhile

those poor saps out there who AREN'T bush's base and who DON'T have jobs and are trying to pawn their wedding ring to buy fucking groceries and those poor saps out there who have LOST A LOVED ONE IN IRAQ really don't give a shit about whether anyone brought up ANYONE'S daughter.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

71. Meanwhile, in the real world....

those poor saps out there who AREN'T bush's base and who DON'T have jobs and are trying to pawn their wedding ring to buy fucking groceries and those poor saps out there who have LOST A LOVED ONE IN IRAQ really don't give a shit about whether anyone brought up ANYONE'S daughter.

[Kipepeo]

73. Oh God

They're STILL talking about this.

Scarborough is trying to say that Vanessa Kerry's very eloquent answer to Chris Matthews about this proves that mentioning Cheney's daughter was wrong????

What?

[you forgot Poland]

74. too bad, SO SAD

[Neshanic]

76. She's ours to trot out! Not yours! We will use her lesbianism for us only.

What a freaking crock of shit. Buchanan and gang are out if their fucking minds. They want Kerry to apologize.

He better not. His response was right on.

[juliagoolia]

79. we can't let them get away with this

its personal to more people than the cheney family..

[BootinUp]

78. This just exposes the hypocrisy of their policy. Kerry did right!

Ron Reagan on MSNBC, admits that he thinks it might have been a bad move, but goes on to state how the republicans trash gays, and they really have no standing to get outraged.

I think most Americans know that CHeney himself has talked about her, also she was talked about in the VP debate, she IS part of the discussion this election.

Its OK. :)

[seabeyond]

80. husband and i watched seperately and both of us said

that didnt feel good for kerry to say, i dont think he needed to do it. and it sounded to me like kerry was a bit uncomfortable saying it. if i were kerry being the man he is address first thing and say, i see the hypocrisy in what the bush wants to do with a daughter of vice president being in this group

[Nicholas_J]

81. Clever response

Either Bush says gays Are born gay, or he says that they are not an the way they are raised makes them gay.

Does not look good for Cheney among evangelicals if the way he raised his child made them "CHOOSE" to be gay. Evangelical do not beleive that being gay is something you are born with. They firmly beleive that it is a choice and if you choose to be gay, Jesus can help you be straight.

Kerry has done something that inserts doubt into the monds of his evengelical base about the VP.

[Southern Patriot]

82. Please. Lynn Cheney's self-portrayal as an "indignant mother"

just makes me want to puke.l

Lynn Cheney is every bit as much of a Repub attack dog as her hubby.

She runs a reactionary RW foundation and makes speeches espousing reactionary causes.

Her "outrage" is such a transparent political tactic that it fails the laugh test. Lynn Cheney's bona fides on moral rectitude are certainly suspect since she wrote a potboiler novel set in the Wild West of the 1850s which included some pretty hot lesbian love scenes.

Hmmm, like Mom, like daughter? Hadn't really considered that before...

I think that Kerry shouldn't have mentioned the Cheney daughter's sexual orientation. Hell, if he wanted to get tough he could have taken Bush to the mat numerous times over policy issues, screwing the middle class and working people, favoring the wealthy, destroying the environment yet misleading with lovely-titled rape and pillage "environmental" laws... the list is virtually endless.

[evilqueen]

83. LOL

Hmmm, like Mom, like daughter? Hadn't really considered that before...

I had. Don't know if it's true or not, but someday maybe we'll find out.

[missouri dem]

84. It was not an accident that Edwards and Kerry both brought up Cheney's

daughter. They are turning the wedge issue back on the r's. Rove has placed all of his chips on their base and have given up on the undecideds. I did not think that this was a smart strategy and now Kerry is hitting them right in the base with a killer punch. Game, set and match.