Heyy LAAADDYYY!!! got 3 kids and $5/hour job? go to college

[PretzelWarrior]

dummy. or make sure your kids learn to add and subtract so they can go to community college and support you with their welding or medical office assistant certificate.

That's Bush's world.

[Skittles]

1. he is so freaking out of touch

not surprising

[AlbertoMo83]

2. "Compassionate Conservative"

MY A$$!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[MADem]

3. And just what will the guy with a four year tech degree

...whose job has gone to India learn at a community college? Pottery lessons? Weewee is a DUNCE, he thinks our nation consists of wealthy lords and serfs. He doesn't understand the middle class squeeze. He thinks by refusing to admit it exists will make it go away.

[shraby]

4. Not only that, what is he and his family

going to live on while he goes to college?

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

8. Not trying to make a case for Bush's side here but..

My husband intends to go back to school next year, if he gets into this special program for prosthetics like he wants. He's got a lot of ins already, so it seems like a real possibility. We've both got Computer Engineering degrees, but weren't able to get any thing better than public school teacher with them. If he goes back to school, we (my husband, my son, and I) are going to live off of loans, and live like poor people for a year. We've done it before. We both come from really lower middle class families, so we're used to it. I'm just saying it can be done, but it is very hard.

Going back to college isn't the answer for a lot of people though. It depends on whether there is a need for people in the field you want to go into and if you can manage to somehow afford the tuition. I can certainly understand why someone, especially older people who are closer to retirement age, would not want to go back to school. It is a financial risk, for sure. It has to be something you really want to do, in order for the risk to be worth it.

[SeanQ]

10. But also think about B* sounded to someone who just

graduated college, but still can't find a job after a year or more. Go back to school? MORE loans?!?!

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

17. Yeah well.. that's pretty much our situation.

We are fairly recent grads. We both graduated in Dec. 2001. My husband has also done an alternative certification program since then, and he has become professionally certified for teaching two different subjects. He is currently taking Human Anatomy and Physiology on Saturdays at a community college and working full time as a teacher.

I think Bush sounded like an ass for sure. It is unreasonable to think that everyone can do this, because not everyone can. I just wanted to point out that someone can go back to school if they really, really want to, even if they don't have very much money. You have to be very resourceful and work your ass off. This is what my husband and I have done all our lives. We are not going to give up, no matter how many road blocks Bush and his buddies try to put up.

[sandnsea]

11. Well good luck

Have you checked out how the grant/loan thing works these days? The grants don't even cover tuition anymore, when they used to cover tuition and books and college fees as well. My son's Stafford loan was $2400 and will cover the books, etc. We also took out a $6,000 PLUS loan, I think that was the max, to cover his dorm. He wants to be a teacher. I seriously question whether taking out loans to become a teacher is very wise at all, but that's what he wants. Maybe with the three of you, $18,000 in loans will be enough. I could care less about material things, but I haven't made do on $18,000 since the 80's and it wasn't easy to do then.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

18. Stafford loan levels depend on what year of school you are in.

Yes, We have checked this out. My husband is not going to become a teacher. He already is one. He is going to take out loans to become a prosthetist.

It is a speciality certificate program, much like a masters degree, but faster and the skills taught are very job specific. They start of doing an intership immediately upon entering the program, while at the same time taking classes. This internship is not paid, however. The second year they do a residency program, which is paid. After that he can get a job, take some crazy tests, and become a certified prosthetist.

[PretzelWarrior]

14. I've gone back to school after plant shut down in 2001.

it doesn't MATTER. Yes, I have some skills...improved my employability. But I'm competing for jobs with guys that have masters degrees in the field because THEY can't find good work.

It's a big mess. The fact is...Bush's education riff is a canard to distract from the horrible jobs mess that he is intentionally creating for the benefit of his owner class buddies.

[George W. Dunce]

23. I think the point of the post is

It shouldn't have to be this way.

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

28. I don't think it should either.

I understand the point of the original poster. However, I don't think we've reached the point where we are all doomed to serfdom. I think a lot of people are being overly pessimistic here.

I don't particularly like that we (my husband and I) worked our asses of for a BS in computer engineering and have not been able to get any computer programming/engineering/technology type jobs. When we graduated college I was pregnant with my son. It took my husband and I a whole month just to get jobs out of college. Our first jobs out of college were part customer service positions at Blockbuster. We made $6.25 an hour with no benefits. That was incredibly depressing for us, but we got over it and moved on. Yes, the economy sucks, but we still have to do the best that we can to survive. I'm not going to think for a minute that we are unable to achieve our dreams in life because of our asshole president. We have to do our best to adapt to the situation and try to make things better for the future. If you have enough determination, you still can achieve your goals. Being pessimistic about it isn't going to make anyone's situation any better.

[VaYallaDawg]

22. Shraby you and madem have it right on the head!

If you've worked in a textile mill for 20 years, been raising a family on $40K and your job goes to Sri Lanka, how are you going to feed them, get them to the doctor, pay their tuition, plus yours to go to a community college? And when you finish 2 yrs there, what the heck have you got if you're 40 years old??

[guitar man]

5. that's how they want it

lords and serfs, peasants and beggars. Feudalism at it's worst. Time for the peasants to revolt! :grr:

[Bluebear]

6. COMMUNITY college. "Real" schools are only for his 'base'

Nothing wrong with CC's but he specifies it, as if to imply anyone making minimum wage could surely not get into a 4-yr school.

[MADem]

7. And that ANYONE out of work

...is a poor schmuck with a GED or a high school diploma. The nitwit does not understand that there are people with Master's Degrees who cannot find work because they are TOO qualified. He's a DUNCE, a DUNCE, A DUNCE!!!!

[shanti]

13. and an aa degree

isn't worth jack in the workplace....really.

[George W. Dunce]

27. Wrong

When I first entered the IT field all I had were some certifications, Cisco CCNA and CompTIA A+,appling for jobs I was told no over and over again. I continued to drive a truck and save. I took the savings and went to A Community College and by manipulating the programs there I was able to come away with two ADs, one in Computer Networking Engineering ( I don't know they made it up) and one in IT security. I then was able to get a job in the field and have since had employers pay for more certifications, CIW security, Networks+ and a few MCPs.

If I can find an employer willing to help I can go to school, again, at night and trade my two ADs in for a BS(computer science) from UMass. While having and AD from a CC is not going to make you rich it will HELP.

My wife and I are self made people, she qualified for student loans for books and that was about it. We did not come from well off families and college out of high school was not an option for either of us. My wife is a really smart woman who spent all four of her High School years in the national Who's Who's of high school students. She was a offered a partial scholarship out of high school, unfortunately her father had a heart attack during that summer and her mom and dad just could not afford to pick up the rest.

[shanti]

29. and?

how many of these IT jobs are going overseas?? i have an AA+ (unfortunately had to drop out of college in my senior year) and it hasn't done anything for me and there are lots like me.

[George W. Dunce]

30. And

Read the post I had my CCNA and A+ and could not get anything other then NO. I got my two ADs and then I got a job fairly quickly. It is the combination of a degree and certification that will get an IT job.
To state it is worth "JACK" in the real world is bullshit plain and simple. IT is a never ending learning process you have to continue to get more certs and further you knowledge.

Networking jobs going over seas? What are they doing shipping off the entire network to India and then reassembling it finding the problem and then dis-assembling it and sending it back? Out sourcing in IT is not as bad as in manufacturing.

[endnote]

9. Most likely, they'll spend their savings to go to a noname college

learn nothing and still have no job. And no savings...

[TexasSissy]

12. Is that you, Jerry?

[PretzelWarrior]

15. that's the point. He's the dumb Jerry Lewis guy.

oh well.

[ArkDem]

16. In bush's america your income determines how big your family

can be. Sounds more like China.

[Vincardog]

19. The point is there are no JOBS to train for. I have a BS what good would

another AA degree do me? There are no jobs. That is the problem. The parasitic Corporations are acting against OUR interests aided by the Fascist right. We have to end the Corporate Welfare that rewards companies for working against the interests of American Workers. The fallacy that the companies only function is maximize share price is the problem. When corporations refuse to face their civic and social responsibilities we are in trouble. Welcome to Bush world.

[ArkDem]

24. I've been trying to fill 2 senior systems analyst jobs for almost a

year. Are you in that category? 5 years experience minimum.

[Peter1x9]

26. That's nice but do you have any entry level IT positions?

No IT company seems to anymore. How do you guys plan to fill those experienced positions in the future?

[Peter1x9]

25. I have a B.S. and am unemployed

Retraining isn't even worth the cost of going to college anymore. All the other people retraining for jobs that can't be sent overseas will flood the labor markets in those positions and drive everyone's wages down. No matter which field you are in, your wages will be going down. Right now people are flocking to the medical field in huge numbers. It's only a matter of time before medical wages plummet because of the large supply of additional workers.
Oh by the way, do a web search on the terms "medical tourism India" and read about the people that are travelling over there for surgeries. Even American doctors are no longer safe.

[Warren DeMontague]

20. And as for those "Maternity Group Homes"...

Didn't they used to be called simply "Convents"?

[ScreamingMeemie]

21. As the mother of a teenaged daughter I just cannot see how any

self respecting woman could vote for a man that thinks shipping young girls off like cattle is a good idea. :puke:

[AngryLizard]

31. My best friend called me after he said that

She was driving and listening to the debate on NPR and I was driving and listening to the debate on NPR, and her first words to me were "He lost. Right there is where Bush lost the election." I mean, what the F was he talking about? And to who? You've been laid off from your chemical engineering job or your manufacturing job, and you have no income and a family to support, and you're going to go back to college for a couple of years so you can get retrained for something that's going to be obsolete by the time you get out? And pay to support your family how? Does your partner have to get a couple of minimum wage jobs so you can get retrained for your stable job o'the future? What are these miracle well-paying forever stable jobs. 'Cause, seriously, let me start my retraining now!

BTW, just saw a brilliant Kerry ad featuring Bush going, "uh, I can't think of any mistakes I made" while headlines about no WMD flash by. More, please!

[expatriate]

32. He also doesn't consider the obstacle of age.

Sadly, once a person reaches a certain age, it is very difficult for them to start out in a new field or profession, training and education aside. I'd love to watch Bush tell a bunch of fifty-somethings who have had their jobs disappear under his administration that they just need to head on down to the local community college and get an Associate Degree in something, and then go out and pound the pavements and get a job in a diminishing job market. They'd be even older by the time they finished the college course! There aren't many employers who want to take one someone who is within ten years of retirement when they can get someone younger who will be paying into the retirement program for much longer before it's their turn to get the gold watch.

[SammyWinstonJack]

33. How does anyone with or without kids to support

go to college on $5/hr and still manage to survive financially? Not unless they live at home with their parents, that is.I'd like to see the bush twins survive on $5/hr. :eyes: Bush* is so out of touch. But that isn't a big surprise.