Nader whines about being shunned by celebrities.

[Cascadian]

Nader visited my town recently and bemoans the fact that previous celebrity backers have abandoned him and his faultering campaign.

read on....


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/194638_nader11.html

I am still beyond belief that Nader is doing this. I also cannot believe that people are actually supporting him. They are thinking more with their gut and not their brain obviously.

I voted for Nader in '96, almost voted for him in '00, but this year is too critical. Has anybody here on DU confronted a Nader supporter in this election? Have you tried to persuade them from joining in support for Kerry?

I think this just proves that Nader should just pack it up and go home.


John

[nonconformist]

1. I'm crying for him, really

*tear*

Maybe he can find some of his Republican friends to lean on.

[evilqueen]

15. I think he should ask them for much more money, few million...

After all, ads are expensive.

[aquart]

2. I can't believe he expected nothing to change.

Is this another one who should be examined for early Alzheimer's?

[Swamp Rat]

3. You can fool me once...

[Guava Jelly]

4. Nader is just pissed that the bush/nader/cheney ticket is

is getting thier asses served to them

[KharmaTrain]

5. Ralph Might Not Have Been Bad..

I know I'm asking for it here, but just on the entertainment value, I think Nader would have made one of the debates more fun to watch. If there was a debate I'd let him run amok, it'd be the second debate.

Whatever his reasons for running, and I tend to take the fact that Michael Moore, Bill Mahrer and others haven't kicked the shit out of him since they think he sincerly thinks he helps Kerry by being in the race.

Using that model, this would have been Ralph's time to prove or be unmasked as a fraud. It would have been fun to see Ralph fluster Bunnypants along with Kerry (and I'm sure he would have...anyone who doesn't say how much they love the boyking would have) and to have two fluent voices that would make the boy look even dumber.

This is written in hindsight knowing Kerry closed the sale tonight. Maybe someone can come up with a Sim version of the debates where you can include Ralph. Think of all the fun as Dumbya's hour glass got smaller and smaller.

[nonconformist]

6. The problem with that is he wouldn't have only went after Bush

He would have went after Kerry as well. Plus, the people that need to be convinced that Bush is a lying incompetent fucktard most likely look at Nader as a joke and wouldn't listen to him. Meanwhile, the people that know this and and agree with Kerry might be swayed by Nader on things like the war.

This was not the election to mess around with. And before anyone jumps all over me, NO I'm not saying that it's Nader's fault Bush is in the White House... what I'm saying is that Nader had a chance to stand up and help us get rid of Bush and all the horrible, unprecedented things he's done to this country over the last few years and he instead decided to have an ego trip.

[KharmaTrain]

10. I Don't Know If He'd Be Totally Gunning At Kerry

Again let me say, this is purely for amusement purposes...there's no way I would have supported Nader's participation in any debate and believe unless a candidate polls above 15% he shouldn't.

On several occasions, Nader said that he was more against Bunnypants than Kerry...again his words, not mine. Yes, I know all about the GOOP funding him all over the place and his response was that if they wanted to throw their money away by thinking they were really buying him they were wrong. Again...just presenting the perspective on why I'm answering this thing.

I resisted the Nader "raiders" in 2000...and there's no denying he had an influence on the election, but I still submit it was more Gore losing the election than anything else.

Last spring Nader was on Crossfire several times and came out with a lot of arguments that would have helped Kerry...outsourcing, environment, the war and personal integrity...and yes, I believe Ralph thinks that, but has a conveluted view that by running he has some sort of say in how this thing is determined. I think he's deranged...just like Harold Stassen was for years in the GOOP.

No messing around with this election...especially after all the hours and money I've spent. Nader's affect is negligible as far as I can see...nowhere near where he was in 2000, and there's no Pitchfork Pat on the ballot either. It's a clear choice on Nov. 2 and the deal was sealed last night.

Cheers!

[nonconformist]

13. I'd like to believe that, but his whole mantra is that the parties

are the same. I don't trust him. I'm not sure what his motives are.

I hear you though, on entertainment value alone it would have been pretty cool to see Bush get thumped on by him. The thought of say Dean and Clark going at him alongside Kerry makes me feel orgasmic.

[evilqueen]

16. ego trip... exactly

Bottom line: We can't afford you, Ralph!

[arewenotdemo]

7. Believe me, Nader would have had ONE target

and it wouldn't have been Bush.

[CreekDog]

8. Don't Waste My Time With a 2% and 20-state candidate

Honestly, he has no shot. Everyone knows who he is and he just gets more unpopular. There's no point in having him in the debate. Between the Democrats that despise him (many former supporters too) and the Republicans that find him absolutely unacceptable, you have over 60 percent of the electorate that will always pull the lever against him and of the other 40 percent, only 1-2% are interested.

It's time to get over him.

We thought he was a good guy, but all that we know about him now shows that he is not. Not only that, he would have been a disastrous president...he has many of the same personality traits as W, that is, vengeful, uncooperative, tendency to moralize, refusal to change mind no matter what the facts are.

Liberal as I am, if I won't vote for Nader under any circumstances, then he just can't win.

[LittleClarkie]

9. Add hypocracy

For taking tainted Repub and Swiftee money. That last one still gets me. I swear he's delusional.

I'll try to remember him as the advocate he used to be and not the nutjob he's become.

[lefty_WOHM]

17. Isn't one of his talking points

that both the Reps & the Dems take money from big business, so they must be in their pockets? Basically, he says that of course a politician is going to be beholden to whoever gives them money. Well, he's taking money from the Reps, so what does that say?

[union_maid]

11. I have not found a Nader supporter to confront

The only place I've come across any was here on DU. I stopped reading those threads some time ago, because it just got old. The ones I argued with in 2000 are no longer Nader supporters and I respect their desire to forget that episode if they're not going to repeat it.

[sbj405]

12. Ralph needs to get a clue and maybe some professional help

I think he's lost it. I think most of 2000 his supporters have gotten the message. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if the people voting for him this year are Repub that don't like *, but can't bring themselves to vote for a Dem.

[drumwolf]

14. I'm convinced Nader won't be a factor this time around

Nader's not going to "steal" votes from Kerry this year the way he stole votes from Gore in 2000. I'm convinced that anyone who would consider voting for Kerry will do so, and most people who will vote for Nader would have never voted for Kerry under any circumstances.