Two Gaffes last night--Bush's is the more serious--but ignored

[WI_DEM]

Two gaffes last night. Kerry (and Edwards before him) should not have brought up Mary Cheney. I know, Cheney himself has spoken about her--but he is her father. People don't really like other people talking about members of their family publically especially if they really don't know them. Unfortunately that can resonate with people, imo. Don't believe me--look at all the threads on Mary Cheney on DU and it threatens to become a major talking point in the post-debate spin. We can speak about this issue without bringing up Mary Cheney or anybody else. (ABC focus group came down hard on Kerry's mention of this--this focus group I just heard on GMA of ten people said 5 went to Bush and 1 to Kerry).

The biggest gaffe, and unfortunately the one not getting a great deal of attention is Bush's Bin-laden gaffe. Kerry correctly quoted Bush when Bush said he really wasn't concerned about Bin-Laden. Bush kind of giggled and said he doubted he said that, and it was an "exaggeration"--It wasn't, yet the press (naturally)doesn't pick up on it--hopefully the democrats will. This should be pounded as yet another Bush lie.

Yet, what is developing to be the post debate spin? Kerry not being nice because he publically mentioned Dick Cheney's daughter. A personal note--I watched debate with six friends and of course we all thought Kerry did great, but when he did mention Cheney's daughter most of them started shaking their heads and saying "don't go there". Unscientific, but thought I would add.

[still_one]

1. They are the ones who started this

They wanted to make an ammendment to the constitution to ban gay marriages

screw them

They are responsible for 1086 dead Americans in Iraq for a war that diverted us away from terrorism

[WI_DEM]

8. I agree they started it

but many people didn't like Kerry talking about Cheney's daughter. I watched the debate with six friends all Kerry supporters and when he brought her up most of them--including a gay friend said, "he shouldn't go there."

[ScreamingMeemie]

2. I heard them pick up on Bush's lie this morning on CBS, when I was

taking my daughter to school. They played the March press conference where Bush said he was not concerned about Bin Laden.

As for Mary Cheney, I'm okay with Kerry/Edwards bringing it up. She is campaigning with them. It shows the obvious rift in ideology between Mr Bush and his running mate. Kerry handled it eloquently, and I have no problem with it. :hi:

[WI_DEM]

9. I'm glad to hear it

[Jawja]

3. I agree that

Kerry should not have brought up Mary Cheney and I grimmaced when he did it.

The biggest gaff of the debate was, as you say, Laughing Boy's denial of his statement about bin Laden.

[roseBudd]

4. Focus on OBL gaffe with this flyer, print and distribute!

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[Mr_Spock]

5. People mentioning Cheney's daughter are DESPERATE to find anything for *

I'm not falling for that foolishness - it was a minor point and people need to get over the truth. It was just a fact and he stated it. Promoting it as a gaffe is assinine.

[LizW]

6. The Bin Laden gaffe is exactly the reason we're hearing about

Mary Cheney.

The people aren't amateurs. Attack, attack, attack, is all they know. The squealing about Mary Cheney is calculated to keep the press off Bush's Bin Laden lie (and other lies). And it is working, assisted by the lap-dog press.

Lynne Cheney is using her daughter in the nastiest, lowest way to further Dick's ambitions.

[soothsayer]

7. If that's all they got---great! It still will appall his base to think

about that sinful daughter of Cheney's (they'll end up thinking about her doing shrubbie's daughters, of course)

[SemiCharmedQuark]

10. What's wrong with being gay?

The only people that have a problem with Kerry's comment are the Repugs that hate gays. Kerry may as well have said "Mary Cheney has red hair". Gay is not bad!

[Birthmark]

11. You are wrong.

What will resonate with people is the fact that Bush says people are unemployed because they aren't educated. This shows that he is wildly out of touch with what outsourcing is going on, and it's a bit of an insult.

[Ruffhowse]

12. I think it's hilarious and so ironic that BushCo is being forced to stand

up for the honor and rights of a LESBIAN of all things. It must have their religious right base pulling their hair out in frustrated rage. But they have nothing else left to spin with. Shrub performed so poorly, they can't claim victory or even a tie. This is all they have. How pathetic.

[nodictators]

13. Bush's bin Laden "gaffe" was an outrageous LIE, censored by media

Kerry had correctly quoted Bush re not being concerned about capturing or killing bin Laden. Bush revoked his previous solemn promise to the American People.

Last night in their final debate, Bush "rebutted" Kerry's true statement with a Big LIE.

The insanely pro-Bush national "News" media, including both TV and the AP, seems to have refused to even mention Bush's lie in the debate.

So, the millions of people that didn't see the debate and the millions of others that did see it but weren't paying attention will not be made aware of Bush's Big Lie.

[fugop]

14. It'll get play

I bet the Dems are getting ready some sort of ad using it as we speak. That being said, I'm glad the Mary Cheney thing is all they've got. When I saw the subject line of the thread, I got nervous that Kerry made some factual error. The right is just slamming on that comment because they're so homophobic and see calling someone gay as a slur. (Frankly, that's what I'd say in response, if I were responding. Kerry just stated a fact. End of story.)

[Renew Deal]

15. I agree that it was not good

But I don't think it was that bad. She is a public figure and a member of the campaign. I think the pukes are bringing it up because they have nothing else to talk about.

[robbedvoter]

16. "Lesbian" is no more an insult than "Liberal". In my book at least.

[seaglass]

17. So - there were 35 threads on DU within an hour of the Drudge

rumor that Kerry had an affair - I wouldn't use number of threads as a yardstick - some people just don't like adding to an existing thread - they like their own opinions to be the topic of discussion:eyes:

If in your heart you think it was bad to mention Mary Cheney, then fine, that's your opinion. I wouldn't base my opinion on how others feel about it - I don't think it was a gaffe.

Was it also bad to mention that he admires Laura?

I actually came out of the debate thinking how Kerry showed kindness to Bush, by praising the job he did after 9/11 and the speech he gave to Congress and by expressing his admiration for Laura.

Bush could not make ONE positive comment about Kerry or his family.

[RetroLounge]

18. Bullshit it was a gaffe

Mary Cheney want to work for her Daddy to bring in GAY VOTES then we have just as much right to talk about her.

It points out the hypocricy of the right, their lack of family values, and the frightening way they want to shove their own family back into the closet.

She's GAY and she's OUT, so it isn't even an issue.

RL

[michigandem2]

19. I think the bush gaffe is getting play

about 20 minutes after the debate they played the clip of him saying he wasn't concerned with Bin Laden..

gosh didn't it look like he really had to concentrate to say the word "exagerations"?

as for Mary Cheney..I shook my head...I agree...its hypocritical to discriminate against gay and lesbian people--but have a VP with a lesbian daughter...saying it might be a choice to be that way...
Kerry did well...but mentioning her by name MIGHT turn people off..but I think in the long run...people won't remember this comment as a deciding factor to vote for Bush...GOSH if we pounced on all the not so smart ways to talk about things..BUSH would be toast...and will be toast..."too many obgyn's can't share their love with women"