So Bush told JK that he wanted to speak with him after the debate? (KOS)

[trumad]

From Kos:

This is exactly what the Kerry blog entry said:

"anyway, I am new tonight... as you may not have seen me before in here.. just a FYI that I am deaf here and can read lips okay..

at the end of debate where Kerry and Bush shook hands.. Bush was asking Kerry, Can I talk to you later tonight? Kerry said sure then Bush said where would you be? I missed what Kerry said.

I wondered what Bush wanted to talk to Kerry about??

... not good. Not. Good. At all.
I watched them talk after, and it seemed like Kerry was surprised... something was off. I was wondering what was said...

When the president asks to talk to you, you don't not meet with him...

Whatever Bush says, whatever it sounds like, I wouldn't trust it worth a damn.

But Kerry's a senator... he knows the game."

If I had to guess, I would say that something is up with Bush's health. With all of the comments on how Bush's face is drooping on one side, and the lack of a physical until after the election, you really have to wonder what is going on.
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/10/14/1194/1032/234#234

[molly]

1. Yes I noticed *s face drooping on the one side

and he wears a back brace.....I think he is an extremely ill man.

[w13rd0]

3. I think he's sufferring...

...from acute dementia as well. He seems to believe his own bullshit.

[lanparty]

20. That could be the source of the "shmrown" ...

Bush was sporting a half-smile, half-smirk all night. I only caught the shot from the LEFT side.

The lack of muscle control on the left side of his face could explain this expression. The prescence of a neuro-stimulator on his back could explain his "hunched-up" posture as well as his leaning over the podium for the entire first debate.

For all we know, Bush could have fractured a vertabrae on his last "mountain bike accident". The man is a serious clutz!!!!!

[Carni]

25. He has the dreaded "My head is up my ass" syndrome

There is no cure...

[Carni]

50. The face drooping could be botox -I noticed it too

It would be ironic after they claimed Kerry had botox treatments...but botox can cause minor temporary paralysis.

I knew someone that had it and they had a similar thing happen.

Did someone mention that bush was drooling, spitting or frothing at the mouth? (or was it a joke? lol)

That can also happen with botox because you can't feel what your mouth is doing.

[molly]

52. Botox - not likely - he's still aging and ugly

look at pictures even a couple of years ago.

[Carni]

59. I need to find some pics from last night and compare them to earlier

It may be my imagination but he didn't look as wrinkled last night!


But I will certainly agree with you... he is still a two bagger!

[molly]

62. I really don't even think 10 bags would help - he's stupid!

[leftynyc]

67. My face/smile looked the exact same way when I had

Bells Palsy.

[soothsayer]

2. Prolly saying "don't squeal about the bulge on my back"

[quaoar]

4. Maybe Bush wants to concede

Or maybe he wants to ask Kerry for a presidential pardon.

[lanparty]

21. Perhaps Bush is a kept man ...

... Bush may very well be a man kept by his handlers at this point. Maybe the guy wants out and he wants to feed Kerry information.

[AP]

5. You know, OF COURSE it's a back brace. He has to wear it because he...

...couldn't stand up straight in the first debate.

That wasn't an affect. It was health-related.

I wonder what his problem is.

It's obviously physical and mental.

[liberal N proud]

13. The women in his life took care of that one

The taught him to stand up straight and not scowel. Most likely after the 1st debate.

[lanparty]

24. I want to review the footage ...

I want to see if there are only mobility problems with his left arm!!!!

[Onlooker]

6. That's awfully intriguing

I sometimes think that Bush is a man who never expected to beat Gore and never really wanted to be President.

[Goldom]

17. There's a really good story about that in a book

I forget the name of the book, but it's a bunch of political short stories, and it is the first in the book. Also the best, I didn't really like the rest of them. It really shows Bush as just a little kid. A bit too de-criminifying maybe, but still accurate.

[AndyTiedye]

40. being elected in a x0 year is statistically more dangerous...

...than going to Vietnam.

[Paradise]

7. hope we'll know soon. n/t

[speedoo]

8. Ummm, if I had to guess...

"If I had to guess, I would say that something is up with Bush's health."

..is just wishful thinking.

If the shrub wanted to talk with Kerry about his own health, he would be essentially conceding the election. No way he does that.

[Options Remain]

39. its Cheney beating him whenever he screws up

n/t

[Itchinjim]

9. How about...

"Hey Big John, after you get elected, me and the boys are gonna be needing us some pardons. Ya think ya might help up out?"

[Goldom]

10. Conspiracies started going in my head

When I saw them talking after the debate last night. I've never believed a bit in any of the stuff about Bush and Kerry being on the same side just cause they were in the same messed up cult, but it was the first thing that crossed my mind then. And please don't trash me, I still don't believe all that crap, I'm just saying it was creepy.

[Rose Siding]

11. Does anyone have it recorded?

Can you even see what they say?

[fishnfla]

65. Read the whole Kos blog entry

they answer your question

[sniffa]

12. oooh, interesting

Let the theories fLy!

[noamnety]

14. options

1. He's too sick to run, and they waited til after the debates to say anything because they couldn't risk Kerry debating Cheney

2. They are pretending bush is sick so Kerry will go easy on him

3. Terror alert - we need to postpone elections!

4. We caught Osama! Just like Teresa said!

5. Whatever it is, I wouldn't trust anything coming out of his mouth.

[AntiCoup2K4]

36. No way...

Even if Bush DID have some sort of a health problem, there's no way they would drop him for Cheney. The man looked like a walking corpse at the GOP convention and not a lot healthier at the VP debate.

[lanparty]

38. Cheney is in WORSE health!!!

And besides, Cheney is pretty unpopular and the Evangilists would NEVER support him due to his gay daughter and lezbo porn writing wife!!!

My guess is that he chastised Kerry for bringing up inconvenient facts. Or he delivered a personal ultimatum not to pursue certain campaign avenues unless he wanted the swifties to go into overtime.

Whatever it was, I bet it was unpleasent.

[Justpat]

15. I admit that I cannot watch Bush for more than a few seconds,

but I forced myself to watch the whole debate last night. It was the
first time I too noticed the droop on the left side of his face. It
looks as if he might have had a mild stroke? I don't know what other
condition could cause that distinct a droopiness on one side.

[Demeter]

18. Bell's Palsy would do It

[Justpat]

28. Right. thanks eom

[SammyWinstonJack]

I watched a repeat of the debate

and it did look like bush* might have had a mild stroke.

[Wat_Tyler]

30. Churchill had a stroke in office during his last term.

[nickinSTL]

27. there is anbther condition

A guy I work with has it.

Don't remember the name...but it affects the nerves in one side of the face, with no other ill effects.

I'm not saying Bush has it, just that a stroke isn't the only cause of slackness on one side of the face.

Edit: Bell's Palsy...courtesy of another poster...

[Wat_Tyler]

16. Any chance this person is just full of shit?

Let's not jump to the tinfoil yet without verification.

[wtmusic]

53. There's always that chance

it's speculation anyway. Take it for what it's worth.

[Wat_Tyler]

55. Looks kosher now, though.

[seemslikeadream]

19. Observation from two 13 year old boys

Watching the debate separately. Why does bush blink so much?

[seemslikeadream]

22. Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides

From Capitol Hill Blue

Bush Leagues
Bush's Erratic Behavior Worries White House Aides
By DOUG THOMPSON
Publisher, Capitol Hill Blue
Jun 4, 2004, 06:15



President George W. Bush’s increasingly erratic behavior and wide mood swings has the halls of the West Wing buzzing lately as aides privately express growing concern over their leader’s state of mind.

In meetings with top aides and administration officials, the President goes from quoting the Bible in one breath to obscene tantrums against the media, Democrats and others that he classifies as “enemies of the state.”

Worried White House aides paint a portrait of a man on the edge, increasingly wary of those who disagree with him and paranoid of a public that no longer trusts his policies in Iraq or at home.

The President's abrupt dismissal of CIA Directory George Tenet Wednesday night is, aides say, an example of how he works.

"Tenet wanted to quit last year but the President got his back up and wouldn't hear of it," says an aide. "That would have been the opportune time to make a change, not in the middle of an election campaign but when the director challenged the President during the meeting Wednesday, the President cut him off by saying 'that's it George. I cannot abide disloyalty. I want your resignation and I want it now."

more
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_4...

lots more
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=602189

[Was_Immer]

34. sending secret messages to the Martians

[txindy]

42. I've had the same reaction from my 12 and 10 yr. old boys

"What is * DOING?!"

"Why does he keep blinking like that?"

"Is he signalling someone in the audience? If he is, they must be ignoring him."

ROFL! :toast:

[skygazer]

23. I did notice that Bush said something to Kerry

They shook hands and then Bush lingered and said something. I wondered at the time what it might be.

I don't have the video so I don't know if they were in a position in which one could read lips. I did find it interesting though. It certainly seemed like a longer statement than the usual after debate platitudes.

Maybe he said, "Did I really say that about bin Laden?"

[Malva Zebrina]

26. Bush's teeth

are yellowed/ stained--could be from some medication.

[Was_Immer]

35. Or Bad BAD hygene

[Carni]

29. I think this is BS

I just tuned into cspan to watch the debate again and the exchnage in question, but highly doubt there is any truth to this at all.

[Was_Immer]

31. IF true its means only one thing. They have information about terror

If thats true then they have some information about something bad.

Look Shrub is a prick, but he's going to share information like that with Kerry. Now im afraid.

[hippiechick]

60. Unless the 'info' he's sharing is a 'set up' ....

n/t

[Ready4Change]

32. It was JUST after Kerry put his hand on Bushes back.

I watched during the opening and closing handshakes. Unlike in the previous debates, Kerry did not pull Bush in an put a hand on his back in the opening handshake. Kerry's hand stayed down at his side, almost awkwardly, as his entire stance was set for at least an elbow grab type handshake.

It was the same for most of the closing hand shake as well. But right at the end, Kerry pulls a little and either puts his hand on Bushes elbow or maybe his back.

Bush IMMEDIATELY reacted, pulling Kerry around in front of himself, putting Kerry inbetween Bush and the crowd, looked at Kerry in the face and said something very intently. I couldn't tell what was being said, though.

[Kerry in 04]

37. I know what Woodys problem is.

He is a fucking idiot.

[Was_Immer]

33. TURN ON CSPAN. Reshowing the debate NOW and its about 5 min

from the end when this supposedly happens! WATCH closely.

[Was_Immer]

41. holy crap its true

I just looked at it. Its true.

[madmax]

44. Yes, it is!

I read lips also. Will we ever know what he wanted to talk to Kerry about??

[Carni]

47. Jesus! It IS true!

I just watched as well and indeed Bush said it--in fact it was hard to miss after I was tipped off.

Damn-what was that all about?

[SammyWinstonJack]

43. Looked like he asked Kerry where he was going to be

:shrug:

[Was_Immer]

45. yes and then I dont know what Kerry said, but Bush said "OK well find you"

"OK, we'll find you. Appreciate it."


OF course I read lips about as good as Kramer did on Seinfeld. So take it at what its worth

[Carni]

48. I also caught the "ok we'll find you"

There is no question that the exchange was as described on KOS

[fishwax]

46. I'll talk to you ELECTION night

Not later tonight. I wouldn't bet my life on it, but it makes more sense.

[Zero Gravitas]

49. Concession phone call

He wants to know where Kerry will be so he can call and concede.

In 92 Bush Sr. knew Clinton was going to win 2-3 weeks before the election and apparently there was some informal groundwork layed for the transition at that time. Bush knows he is going down.

[wtmusic]

56. Oh please

W is 56 points up in electoral votes. Yeah, he and the corporate lobby are just throwing in the towel... :eyes:

[fishwax]

58. I'm not buying that * is up 56 points in electoral votes

b/c I don't think there is any way to accurately and consistently measure that. I enjoy going to www.electoral-vote.com, but I it's a guidepost, it's hardly a sure-fire marker.

But I agree that * ain't throwing in the towel, much as I'd like him to.

[Zero Gravitas]

61. No he isn't up 56 EVs

Just because a site like electoral-vote.com shows that doesn't mean anything. They just take the latest public poll and whoever is up they give the EVs to, it doesn't take into account any trends or any detailed analysis.

Sure my post is wishful thinking about preparing for a transition, but it is much closer than 56EVs right now.

I'd love to see either campaign's internal polling... the higher the turnout the bigger Kerry's win is going to be.

[The Wielding Truth]

66. Most logical. Bush is a bad President, but he has too much ambition

to concede or confide anything to his opponent. He is a slimy little thing. Don't pity him. If it were me who had the problem he wouldn't lose a seconds sleep.Think how he can destroy and yet claim to have found Jesus. If Jesus does speak to him it is to say. Change your ways, help the less fortunate, and make Peace. It's not Jesus he's talking to.His conversation with Kerry is most likely just I'll talk to you after the election. We'll get in touch. Kerry was so warm to Bush at the end Bush felt compelled to act like he cared to meet with John. My take.

[montana500]

51. I read his lips too....

.... and when you say you saw this:


"Bush was asking Kerry, Can I talk to you later tonight?"



I think he said " you run a good campaign".

[DemMother]

54. I wonder if he was telling him about the Green Zone explosions

Would those have happened by then.

[Was_Immer]

57. theyre both campaigning In Nevada today

So Shrub probably just asked Kerry where he would be in Nevada.

[Lerkfish]

63. either that, or (puts on tinfoil hat)

informs Kerry that we are going to nuke Iran. Kerry is/was on the intelligence committee, I think (correct me if wrong on that). It could be that all the other committee members were notified but Kerry was "out of pocket' due to debate preps.

OR

*smoke-filled room, low light*
Bush: come on in, my oppon...er. Senator....
Kerry: what is all this about?
Rove: heheh...what's it all about? let me tell you...
Kerry: why is Karl here? I thought you wanted to talk to me alone
Rove: Why are you talking to the animatronic mannequin? I'm over here.
Kerry: whu-what?
Rove: Let's just say that we are not pleased, not pleased at all with the way your campaign is going...You have very nice daughters, Senator...I would HATE for anything unfortunate to (snaps pencil in half) HAPPEN to them...if you catch my drift.
Kerry: You can't threaten me like this...
Rove: (peels off rubber mask, revealing alien serpent head) RESISTANCE IS FUTILE...ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US.....
Kerry: AIEEEEEE!
Rove shoots a bizarre weapon at Kerry as he flees. a rectangular device clamps onto Kerry's back. Suddenly, Kerry stops, turns around...
Kerry: What is it you desire....master?
Rove: (wrings hands) I need you to withdraw from the race....
Kerry: but that's...that's.....uhnnnnh....."nukular".....Misunderestimate....Al Keeeedaaaa...Saddam......WMDS.....( a small piece of spittle appears on the corner of Kerry's mouth).

wriggling out of the rest of the human suit, Rove leaps on Kerry, sticks a straw in his ear, and starts slurping out his brain....

Rove: you see, (points to Bush gibbering on the floor), This ones' about run out. I need MORE HUMAN BRAINS.....muwahhahahahhhhaaaaa

[Morning Dew]

64. LMAO , that was funny !

eom

[onecitizen]

68. I noticed the exchange too

and commented to my friend about it. Wonder what's up?