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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:09 PM
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Milbank: "..Kerry is OK as a vessel..."
On an otherwise delightful hour of Countdown, Dana Milbank of the Washington Post made a seriously out of touch comment.

He said that Republicans love Bush like he's a rock star, however, "Democrats just think Kerry is OK as a vessel to defeat Bush who they hate."

Perhaps we should update him on why we support John Kerry.

Dana Milbank
whitehouse@washpost.com

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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:12 PM
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1. Or on why Republicans
are leery of Bush. Scowcroft was hammering him again today. He's not alone.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:12 PM
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2. What an idiot!
Where does he get his news from..the barstool?
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:15 PM
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3. I saw him.
He's still describing the ABB crowd but it's a lot different now. Has he not seen the huge crowds everywhere JK goes?

Milbank definitely needs an update.
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secular_warrior Donating Member (705 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:30 PM
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5. "Groupthink" is the main problem with the national news media
It is not so much that they are intentionally biased as it is that the conservative opinion media controls the conventional wisdom in Washington, and the wannabes like Milbank suck it up and echo it. The national newsmedia gets stuck with this conventional wisdom even when reality has changed.

The conservative journalists are like the "cool kids" on the national newsmedia "playground", and the run-of-the-mill journalists simply echo what the "cool kids" say and think. Most of the national newsmedia are "uncool kids" who have no real opinions of their own.
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Kire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:25 PM
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4. at least he's not a vassal
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 10:29 AM
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19. Nice one....vassaling for GETV as usual.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:31 PM
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6. That statement really pissed me off.
He lives in an alternate universe.

None of my Republican friends are very happy with Bush (and I live in Texas!), but I am thrilled about Kerry.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:32 PM
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7. my email;
Don't presume to speak for me. I'm voting FOR Kerry, not just against bush.

If the US STATE MEDIA had ever done their damned job, the one that is MANDATED in the United States Constitution, we'd NEVER have been in ANY of this mess in the first place; 1100 US troops wouldn't be DEAD. 40,000 US troops wouldn't be sick or wounded. 30,000 Iraqis wouldn't be DEAD; 100,000 wouldn't be maimed.

And the world wouldn't hate our guts.

YOU are as much to blame for all of this as bushCartel are.

So don't you DARE presume to speak for me now.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:44 PM
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9. Great! Thanks, LynnTheDem. n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:33 PM
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8. What is going on with Milbank! Did he just get a contract to be a MSNBC
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 10:34 PM by KoKo01
Contributor "Paid as Media Whore?"

He wrote a nasty column this week and ends up on MSNBC acting like the "usual suspects."

I heard that when Bush was installed he trashed Milbank pretty bad with threats like the rest of the reporters he doesn't like and for awhile he towed the line. But, for the last year he's been really writing some good articles exposing Bush's lies...but all of a sudden he shows up on MSNBC after writing an article I couldn't finish reading....and I figure the Bushies are after him again.

Sad..
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shelley806 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:45 PM
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10. Bravo Lynn; Let's do a poll on media bias
Milbank wrote a similar article about Bush's supposed popularity which I find ghastly. It was posted on DU a few days ago and I read the link.

I don't like Chris Matthews very much lately. I thought he was for Kerry. He always seems to favor Bush, or in the selection of his questions.the way he seems to favor the republican college kids? Anyone else have this impression?

My email to Milbank:

George Bush is a hypocritical liar, and Dick Cheney is a war profiteering criminal. We are in a war that was not provoked, as Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the attack on this country. No weapons of mass destruction were found. We have ruined necessary ties with the UN and other countries. Halliburton is benefiting from this unnecessary war which has resulted in thousands of deaths. The economy is abysmal with outsourcing of American employment. The Health Industry is becoming ruined by the pharmaceutical and insurance industries which only have profits in mind. The media is not covering events as they should be covered because of bias in favor of the current administration. The media's main interest is in maintaining and expanding media conglomerates whose news is filtered from the point of view of stocks and company profits. The environmental standards have declined to the extent that very good and credible scientific studies have largely been ignored by this administration in favor of big business. This current administration favors the wealthy, big business, pharaceuticals, insurance companies, and PAC's at the expense of a vanishing middle class.

I cannot honestly say one good thing about the Bush administration. These are primary reasons for voting against Bush, but after the debates, I was able to witness the clarity, integrity, and intelligence in Kerry that this country so sorely needs. We all had to witness painful and false advertisement against this man for months, much like Bush and Rove did against Ann Richards in the Texas gubernatorial race. After the first debate, I was no longer voting against Bush, but for Kerry. Hopefully, he will be able to restore some of the damage done to this country, reverse some of the damaging policies that Bush has opted for, and bring back necessary unity and faith in our elected officals. Who cares about delusional cheerleaders for Bush.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 09:48 AM
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14. Well said, Shelley806....
Yes, the way Kerry rose to the challenge in the debate, exposed the shoddiness of BushCo's campaign ads.

Welcome to DU! :hi:
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 10:47 PM
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11. My reply to him
"Dear Mr. Milbank,

In reply to your comments about John Kerry's support:

Horsehockey! Sir, you are seriously behind the times. That statement might have flown over the summer. It might have even been true leading up to the end of September. But I can tell you unequivocally that it's not true now.

It might have started with the Temple University speech on September 24th. I think that was the first time I saw the base of supporters get really excited about the things John Kerry was saying.

After the first debate, I went down to Campaign Headquarters and witnessed an explosion of enthusiasm. People were calling, folks were coming in to get signs and bumper stickers, people were coming in to volunteer. It was quite electric.

Several people I know have gone to see "Going Upriver" in the theater. They go in tepid followers, and they come out vowing eternal love for the man. Even the darned Deaniacs are excited. On a related note, I think showing young Kerry in some of those Swift boat ads might have backfired, especially when young John was testifying to atrocities just as the Abu Ghraib atrocity report was coming out. Kerry compares favorably in my eyes to Joseph Darby, his modern counterpart.

I myself used to be a Clark supporter. It took me most of the summer to finish researching John Kerry and decide he was a man I could support. My esteem for the man has only continued to grow. Read "A New War," written in 1997, and see that John Kerry has been thinking about terrorism since before GWB's presidency was a twinkle in Rove's eye.

Reading some of the older profile pieces I've found show me a man who cares deeply, even if he does have to grow on you a while. I'm here to tell you, sir, that he has started to grow on an entire nation. The more I look at him, the more I see a man who is absolutely perfect to be president for this time and place. And I think others are seeing it too, finally.

Just had to let you know how wrong you were tonight. John Kerry is our man. The base is in love, motivated, and working like dogs to get JK elected.

Mark my words sir: LANDSLIDE."

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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 09:59 AM
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15. Beautiful letter, LittleClarkie...
Please (!) think about sending a generic version out to newspapers and other media outlets. Your message is so positive, personal and would really encourage other people to look more deeply at the candidates.

:hi:
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Bongo Prophet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:57 AM
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12. Can you check out this first draft and improve? I's such a wordy guy.
Dana,

I have read many of your articles and have found them on the whole to be professional and well crafted. Therefore it was with some disappointment to see you on Olberman spreading the tired and increasingly outmoded “conventional wisdom” that Kerry supporters are merely ABBers, and lukewarm pro-Kerry at best. I write not to castigate you for this, but to share my thoughts on why this is an evolving situation. Please let me share with you my experience with this phenomenon.

It is true that in the primary period, many were so focused on their personal favorite candidate and did not know many details of john Kerry’s life story and record. It was not until around the time of the Dem convention that ANY biographical coverage was given, and the cable media in particular failed in providing any deep coverage of this, as usual. By then the Swift boat slime patrol was out in force, and the months of Bush/Rove smear money had taken it’s toll. Kerry’s Senatorial drone did not help matters either. Contrast that with the cult-like adulation and messianic attachment that the right showers upon Bush, and it looks like weak support, indeed. They do not get excited as one would for “a rock star” as you said, but something far more worshipful — indeed, for many of Bush’s base see him as literally sent by God and doing His work. Literally. Seriously.
Believe me; as a native Texan familiar with evangelical culture, I recognize the symptoms of Theocratic Nationalism, and it is a bit frightening when rational thought is replaced by fear and hate. We do not need a crusade of oil and blood that will last for generations, as they describe, nor the Apocalyptic End game that so many evangelicals pray for...

BUT, on to the process of discovering the potential of John Kerry.

I have followed Senator Kerry’s career a bit, being a freelance artist working at the computer, with c-span on most of the day. So I was aware of his investigatory roles in BCCI and exposure of Iran/Contra. This made me somewhat of a fan early. I also watched much of the POW hearings and the move toward reconciliation with Vietnam. Again, my admiration grew, and grading on a “politician’s curve” I would rank him up high along with the likes of Wellstone, Henry Gonzalez, etc.

So the Bush smears were of some concern to me, and I felt somewhat frustrated by the fact that his story was not given any airplay leading up to the convention. Around this time, c-span aired an old tape of Kerry vs. O’neill on the Dick Cavett show. I was stunned, as I realized I had first seen Kerry as a teenager of about 13. I remembered how proud I was of soldiers who came back to take on the government that had sent them to kill and die for ideological reasons with dubious justification. All the while using the war for power and profit. I knew he was one of a group of heroes who might save my younger age group from having to suffer through what they had suffered.
This prompted me to read Brinkley’s “Tour of Duty” and by that time I was TOTALLY sold on John Kerry.
As I went through this process and shared with various friends and web forum colleagues, I saw that it was only lack of information that was causing his tepid support. As he was improving his speaking skills, like a ball player early in the season, his base of strong support was slowly learning about a lifetime of amazing achievement and character. I saw “strong military” types admiring his service and support of Veterans, the Dean and Kucinich supporters admiring his anti-war activism, and so on. I saw the same light go off in peoples’ heads, as it did mine, when the magnitude of a life of service revealed to them just what an historical opportunity we had before us with Kerry as president. A Kennedy without the philandering, a Lincoln without the depression. And surely better secret service protection. Someone who has vision, and can fight smart and heal wounds at the same time.

Rest assured, we will never worship Kerry as the right worships their strong macho warlord. After all, democrats are much more prone to argue amongst themselves than fall in step with any leader. This is simultaneously a strength and a weakness. But in John Kerry we have a leader that more and more of us would be willing to stand up to the fiercest attacks by macho, bullying Rovian thugs, to fight for justice when (not if) the right wants to deny the legitimacy of our votes. And then, to stand together and heal the wounds caused by the belligerent attitudes raised with our rush to war in Iraq. Gone will be the crackdown on dissent, the free speech zones, the “watch what you say” clampdown. Instead we will be moving toward an energy independence, an emphasis on new technologies and scientific progress rather than stumbling toward a new dark age, where ideology trumps enquiry.

If it were not for a compliant press sucking up to the current administration, and the assigning of such Bush lackeys as Candy Crowley, Nedra Pickler, Carl Cameron (for god’s sake!) and others to “cover” Kerry on the campaign trail, the growing momentum of the large receptive crowds would be widespread knowledge. Because of this, it will be a closer election than what would have been, and therefore a much more contentious election process that will surely leave deep scars. I pray that reason and justice will prevail. And I hope that you will come down on the side of truth, and put your skills to the task of saving your country from a growing trend toward Empire.

Sincerely,
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 10:14 AM
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16. Hi Calico Janitor!
Thanks for sharing your excellent letter. If you haven't already, I would say to send it without editing. But, your letter is such a wonderful testimonial, it would be great if you spread it around a bit to newpapers and e-mail it to other media pundits and reporters.

I'm even more convinced now that ABB Dems are dwindling!

:thumbsup:
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 09:40 AM
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13. Wow, DUers! What great e-mails!
I received a response to my e-mail this morning that basically said, "Due to the high volume of mail we receive, we can't respond to each one." Hopefully, they are being slammed on his useful pessimism about Kerry.

:dem:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 10:23 AM
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17. He writes or the Washington Post. What do you expect?
Honesty? Dude can only go so far, or else he's fired. He has to cover his ass somehow.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 10:31 AM
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20. Wouldn't it be nice, though...
if his White House pandering could just be limited to his newspaper, instead of him appearing on Countdown as an objective source of news?

I'm guessing that Rove is twisting the screws on these "reporters" to express as much pessimism about Kerry as they can.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 11:07 AM
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23. I'm sure your guess is right
although it's not only Rove, but the senior news editors that are turning the screws.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 10:29 AM
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18. email
dana

this statement shows how out of touch you are with the great majority
of democrats...not only will john kerry beat bush in nov, but most of
us believe that he will go on to be one of the greatest
presidents...period.

i urge you to watch the doc "going up river" and then to actually
study john kerry's life/career and i'm confident that even you will
agree with us.

facts and the truth are a bitch sometimes huh?

good day to you.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 11:06 AM
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22. Thanks, rndmprsn...
after doing research on Kerry, I agree with you that he has the makings of a great president. If Chimpy is "re"-elected, America will have missed out on a great opportunity.:toast:
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 11:03 AM
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21. Someone should send him this letter from John Eisenhower
John Eisenhower:
Why I will vote for John Kerry for President
By JOHN EISENHOWER
Guest Commentary

EDITORS NOTE: This commentary was originally published Sept. 9, 2004.

THE Presidential election to be held this coming Nov. 2 will be one of extraordinary importance to the future of our nation. The outcome will determine whether this country will continue on the same path it has followed for the last 3½ years or whether it will return to a set of core domestic and foreign policy values that have been at the heart of what has made this country great.

Now more than ever, we voters will have to make cool judgments, unencumbered by habits of the past. Experts tell us that we tend to vote as our parents did or as we “always have.” We remained loyal to party labels. We cannot afford that luxury in the election of 2004. There are times when we must break with the past, and I believe this is one of them.

As son of a Republican President, Dwight D. Eisenhower, it is automatically expected by many that I am a Republican. For 50 years, through the election of 2000, I was. With the current administration’s decision to invade Iraq unilaterally, however, I changed my voter registration to independent, and barring some utterly unforeseen development, I intend to vote for the Democratic Presidential candidate, Sen. John Kerry.

The fact is that today’s “Republican” Party is one with which I am totally unfamiliar. To me, the word “Republican” has always been synonymous with the word “responsibility,” which has meant limiting our governmental obligations to those we can afford in human and financial terms. Today’s whopping budget deficit of some $440 billion does not meet that criterion.

Responsibility used to be observed in foreign affairs. That has meant respect for others. America, though recognized as the leader of the community of nations, has always acted as a part of it, not as a maverick separate from that community and at times insulting towards it. Leadership involves setting a direction and building consensus, not viewing other countries as practically devoid of significance. Recent developments indicate that the current Republican Party leadership has confused confident leadership with hubris and arrogance.

In the Middle East crisis of 1991, President George H.W. Bush marshaled world opinion through the United Nations before employing military force to free Kuwait from Saddam Hussein. Through negotiation he arranged for the action to be financed by all the industrialized nations, not just the United States. When Kuwait had been freed, President George H. W. Bush stayed within the United Nations mandate, aware of the dangers of occupying an entire nation.

Today many people are rightly concerned about our precious individual freedoms, our privacy, the basis of our democracy. Of course we must fight terrorism, but have we irresponsibly gone overboard in doing so? I wonder. In 1960, President Eisenhower told the Republican convention, “If ever we put any other value above (our) liberty, and above principle, we shall lose both.” I would appreciate hearing such warnings from the Republican Party of today.

The Republican Party I used to know placed heavy emphasis on fiscal responsibility, which included balancing the budget whenever the state of the economy allowed it to do so. The Eisenhower administration accomplished that difficult task three times during its eight years in office. It did not attain that remarkable achievement by cutting taxes for the rich. Republicans disliked taxes, of course, but the party accepted them as a necessary means of keep the nation’s financial structure sound.

The Republicans used to be deeply concerned for the middle class and small business. Today’s Republican leadership, while not solely accountable for the loss of American jobs, encourages it with its tax code and heads us in the direction of a society of very rich and very poor.

Sen. Kerry, in whom I am willing to place my trust, has demonstrated that he is courageous, sober, competent, and concerned with fighting the dangers associated with the widening socio-economic gap in this country. I will vote for him enthusiastically.

I celebrate, along with other Americans, the diversity of opinion in this country. But let it be based on careful thought. I urge everyone, Republicans and Democrats alike, to avoid voting for a ticket merely because it carries the label of the party of one’s parents or of our own ingrained habit
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 11:14 AM
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24. Thanks, bif. I will pass that along to Milbank...
with a special emphasis on the second to last paragraph.

I had vowed to stop harassing a couple of my Repub friends, but I think I will print that and pass it along to them anyway.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 11:36 AM
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25. Hey Dana You Implying John Kerry Is Carrying Somebodies Water?
Go to hell Millbank, John carries his own water. He isn't a fucking vessel for anything except his own GREATNESS. BTW how's the colon looking these days...you've had your head up your ass for so long you should have the view memorized by now.

Sincerely,

Mary T

FYI I actually sent this email to the farktard.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:59 PM
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26. LOL!
Now tell us how you really feel... :toast:
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:07 PM
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28. Fuck Dana ....This Little Shit Is A Tool
This interview just bit my ass too hard to pass up a kick in the balls for *'s ass licker. Fuck you Dana. Vessel bah!
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:01 PM
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27. More Repub talkietalkie. Smoke & mirrors. Anything but *'s record!
Kerry SHOULD be our President. Of the two, he is clearly the more qualified.
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