So why was it ok for John Edwards to mention Mary Cheney but not JK?

[WI_DEM]

John Edwards mentioned Mary being a lesbian in the VP debate and Cheney even thanked him for his kind remarks--I didn't hear Lynn Cheney calling John Edwards a bad man.

Why doesn't the media point this out. The GOP--and the Cheney's are using this to get sympathy as if JK said something horrible about their daughter.

They not Kerry are the ones trying to make political points on this.

[cthrumatrix]

1. it's called shifting the debate "debacle"....AWOL got swept

[shaolinmonkey]

2. Why is it okay for Alan Keyes to call her a "selfish hedonist"?

He's in the same goddam party. This is totally ridiculous. We're supposed to feel sorry for Lynn and "Go Fuck Yourself" Cheney? Ha!

[GRLMGC]

23. because

they're Republicans first and parents second.

[AP]

3. They didn't realize how much it hurt the fundie vote until it was too...

...late to spin it when Edwards said it.

[msturgis524]

4. Because Cheney thanked Edwards

His handlers told him to try to be nice. If he hadn't thanked Edwards, they would have done this run up then.

[no_hypocrisy]

First rule of republican campaigning: there are no rules.

Logic is the last tool they'll use. Fallacy is the way they win arguments.

[Cats Against Frist]

18. Damn straight

I've pointed out, numerous times, how the entire GOP campaign is based on the 1. false dilemma, 2. slippery-slope and 3. ad hominem fallacies. You can boil almost every one of their talking points down to one of these three logical fallacies.

[cali]

5. We really

need to move on. Enough. Already.

[tuvor]

6. 'Cause Kerry did such a fine job, that's all they can find?

[underpants]

7. Why did JK talking about Vietnam open it up to discussion by the right...

but Cheney talking about his daughter being gay didn't do the same for Kerry?

Some thing or at least you would think.

CNN last night said that the Bush Cheney campaign was livid about what Kerry AND Edwards did-they then showed part of Edwards remarks at the VP debate but didn't show Cheney thanking him for his kind words and saying that was all he had to say. Geesh I guess that went down the memory hole too.

Of course NO ONE is mentioning what the question Schieffer asked Bush actually was "Do you think that homosexuality is a choice?" Period-as straight forward as you get. Bush of course never answered the question.

[KurtNYC]

8. Mary Cheney sells GOP products to the GLBT community

Here she speaks for RW beer brewer Coors in 1998:

But, says Mary Cheney, Coors gay and lesbian corporate relations manager, besmirching the company's name by bringing up Castle Rock funding is unfair, especially since the foundation divested itself of all its Coors stock more than a year ago. The upshot, says Cheney, is that "Castle Rock receives no money from Coors Brewing Company. There isn't an affiliation."

http://members.macconnect.com/users/c/coorsboycott/Documents/Village%20Voice/Village%20Voice%2011-3-98.html

So it was no secret. In fact, she was making a career out of being gay.

[chiburb]

9. Because Cheney didn't do as poorly in the debate as...

Bush did against Kerry. So many lies and flubs by Shrub, that all Rove can do is DISTRACT what's left of the free press with this bullshit.
And I'll go one better:
I suspect that the vast majority, even if very comfortable with "live and let live", are uncomfortable with even hearing the word lesbian. If so, it's cheap anti-Kerry material...

(I don't agree, just giving an opinion since you asked.)

[Lisaben2619]

10. It was ok for Mary to be totally out

when she was trying to convince the LGBT community to end the Coors boycott.

[LynnTheDem]

11. couple reasons

1. The debate Q for cheney/Edwards asked EXPLICITLY about cheney's FAMILY EXPERIENCE with gays.

2. bush fcked up BIG TIME; it was the first time many of the 40 million watching ever knew bush had said he wasn't concerned about the man responsible for the deaths of nearly 3000 people on Sept 11, 2001, and now they not only know THAT, they also know bush LIED about having ever said it, so they have to decide whether bush was LYING or DEMENTED or SENILE.

HUGE HUGE HUGE mistake by bush. The ONLY thing he has now is his "strong leader on terra which means 911 which means Osama bin Laden"...and bush said he DIDN'T CARE about OBL.

And IF the media bothered to spend equal time on THAT as they're doing on the fake outrage over Mary, bush would lose this election by a landslide.

So the media whores for bush by focusing on their fake outrage over Mary.

[WI_DEM]

12. I agree, why hasn't Kerry been jumping on this in his speeches

since the debate. It was another Bush whopper.

[underpants]

13. Off topic-do you think it is an accident that Candy Crowley covers Kerry?

I watched her report from the Kerry campaign on three CNN shows last night and the first image you get is of her dour frowning face. She is located outside with no noise while the Bush reports always start with him jumping on stage to loud raucous crowds.

Seriously she makes the whole Kerry campaign seem like a goth funeral.

[popstalin]

14. Did Edwards refer to her as a lesbian

Or just call her "gay?"

Big difference in some people's eyes the two words. Gay doesn't seem as bad as lesbian in some minds.

[KurtNYC]

15. Shades of gray but I actually think

lesbianism is more accepted than gay men. Howard Stern made it a part of his show. And on the flip side when they want to slam gay marriage they generally show two men kissing.

But to be more clear, I'm not saying either gender has it easy.

[yellowcanine]

16. Never mind Edwards, Dick Chaney brought it up in 2000 in the context

of a political campaign. Not only that, he had zero to say when Keyes did a homophobic number on Mary. So why the sudden "father anger"? Seems mighty selective to me. Because Kerry used the "L" word? That happens to be the preferred term by lesbians themselves.

[MallRat]

17. Katie Couric laid into Mary Matalin with this very question on "Today."

This mock indigation and bullshit is going to die with this news cycle. No one really understands why, all of a sudden, THIS mentioning of Mary Cheney was so offensive while all the previous ones were OK.

-MR

[emulatorloo]

20. Can you summarize? I would have loved to have seen that. . .EOM

[MallRat]

21. Matalin's response wasn't special. It was Katie's question that was good.

It was the very first question in the interview, right out of the box.

Something like (I'm paraphrasing): During a stump speech, the Vice-President brought up the fact that his daughter was a lesbian back on August 25th. And both the Vice-President and Senator Edwards discussed it at the Vice-Presidential debate last week, with Dick Cheney going so far as to thank Senator Edwards for his kind comments. So why are these comments by Senator Kerry any different?

That pretty much set the tone for the entire interview. Matalin pretty much ignored the question and expressed that she was shocked... just SHOCKED at Senator Kerry's behavior. :eyes:

I'm not sure I can take much more of this without puking.

Wait. Too late.

:puke:

[emulatorloo]

22. Well, at least we don't have to be married to Mary Matalin. . .

;-)

----- thanks for the summary. . .

[noonwitch]

19. Because Bush hadn't lost 3 consecutive debates at that point

Also, Cheney responded as graciously as it is possible for him to Edwards' comments.

[WI_DEM]

24. no doubt