I Saw On DU That Karl Rove Said To "Watch The Zogby Poll"

[DemocratSinceBirth]

If this is true and the qualifying word is "if" then fuck Karl Rove, fuck John Zogby and fuck anybody that looks like them...


All I heard on DU is how great Zogby is... I am sure there are some DUers who remember that Rush used to frequently cite the Zogby poll during the Lewinsky brouhaha to demonstrate that Clinton wasn't as popular as the majority of polls suggest...

If Karl Rove didn't say this then I humbly request the mods to delete my post...

Peace

Brian

[Bush was AWOL]

1. Zogby's a Democrat

and I'm pretty sure has already said he supports Kerry.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. If True That Quote Is Disturbing (nt)

I saw it here...

[lancdem]

8. Zogby is personally a Dem

but I recall he did polling in 2000 for the N.Y. Post and kept showing Rick Lazio beating Hillary when no one else did.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. He's The Only Pollster Who Showed Dean Catching Up In New Hampshire..

He said something to the effect of our Sunday tracking shows Kerry and Dean tied...


Miraculously his final pre election NH poll showed Kerry winning big...


Everybody knew that HRC would win NY especially when Gore was carrying it by twenty five percent....


Want more drama .... In the last couple of days of Election 00 he showed Gore with a one percent lead in Cali... He miraculously adjusted it in the final pre election poll...

[lancdem]

16. I didn't realize he had CA that close

I just don't like seeing this story in the front page of yahoo, because it can demoralize Dems.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. He Had Cali Going To Gore By One Point...

I was a subscriber in 00...


The next day he had a correction...


I rememember on MSNBC the clown who is now at FOX taunting Dems that if Gore lost Cali the election is over...


The stuff about Rush, the Al "Bore" comments, the Lazio-Clinton race, the Dean-Kerry race is all true....

Today's polls and Karl Rove's comments make him suspect...

I am in such a foul mood now I could chew wood...

Peace

Brian

[lancdem]

21. Me, too

Karl Rove is a hideous human being.

[Clinton Crusader]

7. the latest poll is disturbing, but I think it's an aborration...

I hope.
:kick:

[Bush was AWOL]

11. Screw the polls

as has been said over and over, if we show up at the polls on election day we win.

I don't believe Kerry is only getting 79% of support among democrats, either.

Another thing, the so called experts (Gergen, Morris, some others on Dobbs last night) are saying that Kerry is the favorite at this point, and team Bush is very concerned.

Dick Morris said last night that Bush will go down without an October surprise.

[lancdem]

17. I'm not particularly reassured by anything Dick Morris says

but Gergen I respect. BTW, I agree with you on the Dem number. That has to be bogus. It may not be 89 percent, but it's still way too low to be credible.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Dick Morris

is evil...

Call me naive but I think David Gergen is a man of honor... He vigorously defended John Kerry's war record in a heated argument with Laura Ingraham on Hardball...

He strikes me as a non-ideolgical public servant...

[ArkDem]

18. You are scaring me because Morris is ALWAYS wrong.

[Bush was AWOL]

23. That may be true

but Morris was calling for a Bush landslide weeks ago, and has now recently changed his tune. I don't trust him, either, but he seems to think Bush is going down.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. He's Wrong Cuz He's Evil Not Stupid...

Whatever he says do the opposite...

[Catfight]

2. Rove is going to be his worst enemy, he is going to turn off the base

with his dirty tricks. I hope when Kerry gets in the puts Rove on the top 10 most wanted list.

[Cats Against Frist]

4. Now why would Karl say that?

Anyone can sign up at this poll, say, as a registered Republican Evangelical male who votes for Kerry.

:hi:

[oldsneakers]

5. How would he know?

Does Zogby have his home phone number? When this election is over I hope they pass a law prohibiting polling during the last 3 months of a presidential election-I'm sick of this crap-good news or bad.

[lancdem]

6. He apparently did say it, on Greta Van Susteren's show

Knowing that, I'm going to cast a suspicious eye toward that poll, at least for the short-term.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Rove Is Evil And Zogby Is Suspect...

He once called Al Gore Al Bore on the Beltway Boys show to ingratiate himself with Barnes and Kondracke...


Before his polls "leaned" Democratic he was a buddy of Rush... Now Rush calls it the Zomby Poll... Maybe he wants to get back in Rush's good graces...

We are in a battle for this country's soul... Nobody is above scrutiny especially a pollster...

[lancdem]

9. Also, keep in mind Karl Rove's at his dirtiest the last weeks

of a close race. See http://talkingpointsmemo.com

The problem is, this poll is on the front page of yahoo, and may discourage Dems who thought Kerry had the momentum.

[DaveinMD]

13. Zogby

has always been for sale. In the Schumer-D'Amato race his polls were way off the final result because Senator pothole bought him off.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. You Nailed It...

Read this thread...

Evidence

The Lazio-Clinton race


The Dean- Kerry race...


The citing of his polls by Rush Limpdick....


His dissing of Gore on the Beltway Boys...

He's a drama queen who uses polls to sell storylines...

[AmerDem]

15. the fix is in and it's being used as a momentum starter

Just like the Gallup poll started during the Swift Liars stunt. I personally watched Rove on FAUX ( he came out of hiding when people started talking openly about him being behind it) during that interview he said "watch Gallup in the next few days" and sure enough Gallup put out a poll showing shrub with about a 5 point lead. shrub's momentum started from there.

Same tricks, different event.

[lancdem]

20. Wow, I didn't know that

So there's a precedent for this poll manipulating.

[AmerDem]

24. very true

I personally watched him say that back then. On the new Zogby quote the only thing I know about it is what I have read here. I have full faith that what fellow DUer heard and discussed here is true!

[merh]

26. Maybe Rove said it to make us suspect?

:shrug:

I don't pay attention the the polls. I know how they are conducted and that their results are predetermined for the most part by their (a) questions and (b)those polled.

Only poll that matters is Nov 2, 2004 & with all the "cell phone babies" and new voters, the numbers will surprise the pollsters. (imho) Why do you think there is a movement to get a cell phone director published?