"THE VIEW"

[helpisontheway]

The ladies on the view just had a VERY heated conversation about the comment that Kerry made. Meredith was totally pissed and was saying how much that offended her as a mother. Her whole tone kinda changed. Of course that hack Elizabeth was saying how it was so rude and agreeing to all the talking points. Star and Joy tried to take up for Kerry but then Meredith started to get somewhat agitated. Then they just kinda ended it abruptly. I'm kinda worried if other moms like Meredith reacted the same way. Before today I though all of them except that hack Elizabeth were supporting Kerry.

[spooky3]

1. Meredith has never impressed me as being very rational.

She may be bright but seems to let emotion overtake logic at times, and is almost as obnoxious with the "doting mom" stuff as Kathie Lee was. I'm glad Star and Joy are there to offset her when she does this. Elizabeth is hopeless.

[candy331]

12. Why would a mom get angry at what their child is, say if their child

was a murderer, would not the mom be hurt/sad, why angry? And if mom was angry would it not be appropriate to be angry at the conduct of the child rather than ones who bring up the conduct of the child. A mom in denial is an angry mom, a mom enlightened is an understanding mom. I'm afraid Cheney's have blown their opportunity here to be enlightened and showed their true feelings, hiding behind anger towards Kerry. Seems to me an enlightened mom would have said thank you very much Mr Kerry for your positive comment, for the good of her family's welfare and moved on.

[Texas_Dem]

2. No worries. Chill out. Get to work.

[XanaDUer]

3. I saw that

I usually don't watch THe View.

Well, let Meredith get pissed. She actually defended kerry on somthing the other day. Anyone who votes based on stuff like that is nuts, imo.

I think loss of one's healthcare, etc., will sway more female voters than what Meredith whatever says.

[Longhorn]

4. Meredith is a Republican who used to love telling Monica Lewinsky

jokes -- the nastier the better. I don't watch that show any more but the first time I ever wrote to a TV show was to write that show to complain about her!

[mzmolly]

5. Why is it offensive to talk about Mary Cheney ? I don't get the outrage ?

:shrug:

[b06jgm]

31. General consensus: Don't attack someone that can't fend for themselves*

nm

[mzmolly]

39. Sorry, I missed the *attack* part.

:hi:

[Lorien]

6. I have to admit, when I heard Kerry make that

comment, I winced. I thought it was an incredibly stupid move, because it gives them just a tiny bit of ammo to scream "unfair"!!! We know what the media is like; one tiny blunder by a democrat, and they'll use it against them for all it's worth. Regardless of the fact that Mary Cheney is a paid political employee, I fear most moms will feel the same way as Meredith (a libertarian, she says). The best we can do is force them to move onto another topic (writing letters to the editor will help accomplish that).

[Snivi Yllom]

8. I cringed also

The comments on the View I predict are indicative of women all across America. It's a problem.

[KittyWampus]

11. Bullshit! Alan Keyes Calls Mary A Selfish Hedonist & A Sinner

where was the outrage then?

There are a lot of suckers on DU. It's disgusting.

[Snivi Yllom]

15. it's not about DU

It's about the 2 consecutive news cycles that the media whores have pushed the story. It's doing damage. Choosing to ignore it is one option but not the option I recommend.

[SeanQ]

23. We're suckers?!?!

When Kerry made that comment in the debate I also thought it was a poor choice of words. Not because the point was wrong, or was incorrect in some ethical way. Just that his delivery was poor, so the comment stuck out like a sore thumb. I was worried right away the media would latch onto it to avoid B* OBL gaff.

This incident on the View is excactly why Kerry needs to get in front of it and do a bit of damage control. Not to appologize for accepting homosexuals, but for upsetting Mary's mother. It's not to hard to frame an appology such that he can unequivically extend regrets to Lynn without appologizing the point. If he is sincere and concerned in appologizing for causing upset he had no reason to expect, he could also add a few sentences to _further_ eleborate his point. Maybe get a minute or two of free press and deflate this issue a bit.

We DO NOT WANT this to be the main talking point for the next three weeks.

[MsTryska]

19. I agree....

that it's a problem and these other threads on what's going on in the media re-inforce it.

which is why i suggested the apology. you said it was too late fo rhtat tho. Why do you think it is?

you think they'll spin it as scrambling to get more votes. (they prolly would) but i think if he speaks fromt he heart (sorta like he did about religion) whilst not giving an inch, it will soothe the ruffled moms.

[rockymountaindem]

20. "Indicative of women all across America"?

What??? These women are super-rich tv personalities who live in the media world and never have to worry about anything. That's like saying Kathy Lee Gifford is your average woman... what are you talking about?

[Snivi Yllom]

26. I meant the response, not their status as well paid talking heads

that is all

[rockymountaindem]

35. Don't you think that their status influences their response?

[Snivi Yllom]

37. of course, thats why they are media whores

they have exceptional influence,

but my gut tells me, the response is not confinded to media whores.

[krkaufman]

29. Agreed. But only because they're being told what to think & feel.

No sane view of the issue is being presented, nor is the realistic motivation for the Cheney's "outrage" being discussed: it is all about diverting attention away from Bush's miserable debate performances and the innumerable lies he spewed.

Without an honest media, we will continue to be f----d.

[Snivi Yllom]

34. 10 second clips

it all comes down to 10 second clips

[unfrigginreal]

14. That is the concern, the moms that is, because the GOP

is playing this as a character assasination on Kerry. This sentence from the article about Zogby's poll this morning tells the tale:

The new tracking poll found Bush pulling into a tie with Kerry among Catholics and women voters, and moving slightly ahead with young voters. Kerry still holds a solid lead among seniors.

There's no way that Bush should be tied with Kerry on womens vote and he wasn't in Zogby's poll prior to today.

[lancdem]

27. He shouldn't be tied, I agree

if this is causing damage, the Kerry people would presumably act quickly to kill it.

[LibDemAlways]

7. Meredith is a multi-millionaire

masquerading as a soccer mom. It's the role she plays on the show. Who cares what she says? When push comes to shove she'll be with the chimp all the way.

[HootieMcBoob]

17. because she is a multimillionaire masquerading as a soccer mom...

what she says influences all the real soccer moms. it doesn't help to just ignore the shit people! it's just like the swift boat assholes. so many people said "who cares what they think?" and look what happened. we need to fight this shit tooth and motherfucking nail! mary cheney worked for the republican party to try to bring gays and lesbians into the party for god's sake! she worked for coors as the head of their gay and lesbian outreach program - she got them to sponsor the freaking mr. leather contest! we need to express our outrage at their outrage and make the fucking republican ass-licking media do their god damn job for once in their worthless stinking piece of shit lives. i am so pissed off about their work for the republican party that i could fucking explode! if anything has ever ever proved to the world that they are all controlled by the right-wing of this country this incident should set the record straight for good. god damn it i hate them with a passion that is big and real and likely to kill me from a stroke. :grr:

[ScreamingMeemie]

9. Mom here. Pretty moderate most times, and I am not offended by her comment

at all. My daughter is my daughter. Nothing about her as a person would ever shame me. I embrace her for the miracle she is.

[davidjhorrell]

10. Increasingly

I'm suspecting it was a bad move. Most Americans see having a gay child as a matter of shame, and so interpreted Kerry's comment as a nasty personal attack. * and friends are preying on popular bigotry.

Can't really see how it'll damage the fundie vote either. Most will just say "so what? Bush is a man of God, and Cheney can't help it if his daughter's hardened her heart and decided to go to Hell."

[siliconefreak]

13. Don't worry about it

The View's "hot topics" segment means almost nothing. They could just as easily start talking about Michael Jackson tomorrow and never mention the lesbian issue again.

If the Repugs think this issue is the one that's going to take Kerry down, I'll have to use Kerry's line on them: "Is that all you've got?!"

[GoldenOldie]

16. Bush is talking amendment to the Consitution

This is a big deal and should be discussed and debated. Homosexuality is real, it's here to stay. There are a lotta Alan Keyes out there and a lotta George W. Bush's and Dick Cheney's who will exploit them for their own politcal gain.

The homosexuals have mothers, fathers, brothers sisters, aunts, uncles, etc., who love them for who they are and understand what an important issue this is.

This should be openly discussed and debated and if the Leaders of our Nation are unable to use their own families such as in "family values" specifically if it relates to an issue than they are just plain gutless and should not even hold office.

The President and Vice President have no trouble in sending our military into an unplanned, unequipped war and then denying them benefits when they return maimed for life both mentally and physically yet they feign outrage and injustice when they or their children who continue to maintain a priveleged lifestyle are publically exposed for personal actions.

Gimme a break.

[DesEtoiles]

18. Is she outraged over 1,200 dead American soldiers too?

[Bush was AWOL]

21. QUIT TALKING ABOUT MARY CHENEY

We need to get off of the defensive and go on offense. Let the Kerry campaign handle this.

[Clinton Crusader]

22. I posted somewhere MY mother is pissed as a hornet and she HATES

smirk! I was shocked! She was screaming like a loon on the phone, Kerry shouldnt have said that, on and on and on, *I* dont get it cause I dont have a daughter, etc. BIG mistake, it was endless! I had to finally scream back dont you see the CHENEYS are using their own daughter as a political wedge?? He didnt say she was a child molester or serial killer! CHRISSAKES!
:kick:

[BlueNomad]

24. Well I am going to weigh in here...

My father is 70 and a Democrat, yet rather conservative on a host of social issues. He has never switched parties because he does not trust the Republicans though he did vote for Ronald Reagan in his first term--as a I recall backlash aganst the hostage situation and the inflation, gas situation. I worked on the Carter campaign and he never told me he voted for Reagan that time; my brother just spilled the beans last weekend--lol...Having said this, he just shocked me this morning by saying---that gay thing is nuts. It'll blow over. We already know she's a lesbian and the Cheneys are just acting all offended because Kerry's got 'em on the ropes. Wasn't Bush up by like 7 points and now it's neck and neck...No I think it's a trick (for sympathy)but I'm not feeling bad for Dick Cheney. Please."

That made me feel better. My husband had the same response. Hohum. I hope they're right. Personally I didn't get it except desperation on their parts. All that faux--look at me..I've been wounded by this very badddd man...

PS: I think it would help the Cheneys if they were more likeable--which they really are not.... if it plays to Bush's base fine--so be it--they're not voting for Kerry anyway..

[redowl]

25. I agree- typical repub diversionary tactic

and LOOK- it works- everybody jumps into the fray and then forgets what the real issues are.

hope Kerry ignores it.


and the women on "the View"- saw enough a few times to know it ain't worth watching.

[krkaufman]

32. Ignore it?!? Dear dog, NO!

Kerry's campaign ignored the Swift Boat issue for weeks -- and look at the damage that allowed.

Kerry needs to find a way to mute this issue, either directly or by refocusing the media's attention.

[krkaufman]

33. Your relatives are brighter than the average undecided, obviously.

As for the Cheney's outrage... it would seem more authentic if they were a bit more outraged by Bush's push to strip their daughter of her civil rights.

[mvd]

28. Meredith seems like a goofball anymore

Also, she often times just wants to take the opposite side of Star and Joy. And of course, I'm not surprised about Elisabeth. Though Elisabeth was pretty good when Edwards was on. She seemed a little impressed by him. I wish they had hired Erin Hershey Presley. Erin has mixed views according to a statement she made, and it would be interesting to hear a perspective from someone who hasn't been very political. Erin is also prettier.

[featherman]

30. Reluctantly, I agree that this is damaging...how much I do not know

but in my own household my wife (a strong Kerry supporter otherwise and Bush hater) is very angry and disappointed with him and considered using Mary's name completely out of bounds.
It may have tipped my mother-in-law over to Bush judging from her reaction.
Not good, folks. And don't reply about the whore media, and Cheneys' hypocrisy, or how Mary was already a public, outed gay or any of that. I know all that.
I'm just telling you this was damaging and is overwhelming whatever good might have come out of that debate.

[Born_A_Truman]

36. When Dick & Lynne Cheney (or Mary)

come out and blast what Alan Keyes and their RW base have said about gays and lesbians, then I'll believe they were really reacting as 'hurt' parents.

[bloom]

38. If Kerry says anything -

because of the so-called flap going on - he should mention Keyes and his "Mary Cheney is a selfish-hedonist" comment, perhaps Robertson and his blaming everything on gays, etc. and say THEY are ones with a problem with it - THEY are the ones who have made a huge deal out of it . He, himself supports Mary Cheney - unlike these OTHER people, etc. To flat out apologize would be stupid, IMO.

As a mom - I do rather hate hearing about Meredith being ridiculous - because she does seem likable and usually sensible. I don't watch the View much - I don't know how much influence she has... :shrug: