Pat Buchanan: "He used the cold hard word 'lesbian'

[polmaven]

which is really an offensive word."

There is the crux of this whole thing. The republicans are using Mary Cheney to strengthen the base. Nothing more.

If they were nearly as outraged as they claim to be about invading Mary's privacy, they would be refusing to talk about it. They would want to let it drop.

No...Nay...Methinks they do protest too much!

[blueblitzkrieg]

1. Wha....?

What's offensive about the word 'lesbian'? I'm either really out of the loop, or Buchanan is a fucking idiot!

[Wickerman]

8. ya think?

"or Buchanan is a fucking idiot!"

:hi:

[tridim]

10. It's only offensive to homophobes

like Pat Buchanan and The Dick's family.

[progressivebydesign]

48. Exactly. Someone here that gets it. THAT'S why they freaked..

..because they knew the conservative christian base are basically homophobes, and it would freak them out to hear the word. Of course we have no problem with the word, and most americans don't have a problem with it.. but Bush's base, the church people he's trying to recruit, have a problem with it.. to them it's like a swear word. Stupid as hell, but it's true.

[Downtown Hound]

2. The real thing that offended him

was that he got turned on when he said it.

[LynnTheDem]

6. *snort*

*gasp*

ROTFL!!!

[Technowitch]

3. Of course they're 'protesting too much'

It's obvious the Repugs think homosexuality is shameful -- hence mentioning that someone has an out and public gay person in a family is the height of shame.

But seriously -- what they're trying to do serves a more important political purpose. They're trying to rally their homophobic base.

[LynnTheDem]

4. "OFFENSIVE"?????

Maybe to HIM it is, and to other HOMOPHOBES.

[Zuni]

5. At least he didn't call her a bull dyke

A lesbian is the term most people use.

[LynnTheDem]

11. *SNORT*

"bull dyke", OMG!!! Can you just SEE the headlines he he said THAT???!!!

ROTFL!!!

[no name no slogan]

7. If only Kerry had said "she wears comfortable shoes"....

...then this whole "outing" thing would have been avoided?!?!?! :wtf:

[Chiyo-chichi]

53. ...or...."I think if you asked Mary Cheney, who 'plays for the other team'

would that've been better?

[goclark]

9. What about the C Word?

They don't care a wit about the "C" word - the "C"onstitution!

They are willing to amend the hell out of it for their stupid base.

[KittyWampus]

12. STOP WASTING OUR TIME W/ THIS SHIT. Rove Testified Today

and DU'ers are STILL allowing GOP shiney objects to distract them.

Screwed up priorities here are sickening.

Rove testified to a grand jury.
A troop division in Iraq mutinied.
International polls show Bush is hated.

[krkaufman]

16. No reason all the issues can't be discussed... and the media blasted.

I can imagine there were DUers a few months back saying that the ridiculous accusations of the Swift Boats group would be laughed away. ALL issues need to be addressed -- though, granted, one way to get the media back on focus is to blast them with emails on the real issues.

[KittyWampus]

23. Discussed Ad Naseum. This Counterproductive SHIT Is A Sad Display

but then, when you're a tool of the GOP... one can't have TOO MANY threads on this topic... now can we?

[LynnTheDem]

26. READ MY LIPS.

I've been typing up the names of the recent DEAD US TROOPS.

I'm VERY HAPPY to have had this thread to get some lighter moments in.

THANK YOU FOR FUCKING THAT UP FOR ME, I APPRECIATE IT.

[sangh0]

37. So it's about YOU, YOU , YOU

I'm VERY HAPPY to have had this thread to get some lighter moments in.

Is that all you got? "It makes ME happy"???

[krkaufman]

34. If one is interested in discussing other things....

... perhaps one should simply discuss other things.

Look for the "Post" link under any of the forum pages. For example: Post

[LynnTheDem]

19. So DON'T READ IT. LIGHT DIVERSION is always welcome at times

when the goddamn world is falling apart, ta very much.

[PerfectSage]

43. Rove testifies at Plame Grand Jury

Just be grateful DU'ers don't vote for GOP shiny objects.

I'm Canadian and I think Bush is the most worthless, incompetent, stupidest, phoniest good for nothing POS ever to be president of the United States!!!!


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1015CIAleak15-ON.html

[complain jane]

13. Compared it to abortion

Buchanan said saying Mary Cheney was a lesbian in the debate was akin to saying someone's family member had had an abortion.

Prick.

Thanks, though, Pat, for announcing on national television that the only thing the Cheneys are pissed off over is that Kerry outed them as homophobes to the left and as parents of a lesbian to the ultra-cons who live under rocks.

[LynnTheDem]

22. Being a LESBIAN = being an ABORTION???

Does Pat KNOW what "lesbian" even MEANS???

LOL!

[aden_nak]

14. Lesbian is a bad word now?

Actually, "lesbian" is the term for homosexuals that is NOT derived from a slang or slur word, as is the word "gay". The problem here is that the Reactionary Right has turned "lesbian" into a code word for anti-family and anti-Christian. Rush is especially guilty of this. It's that whole "Feminism breaks up families" bullshit. It's part of the rhetoric. In a memorable letter, Pat Robertson once explained that lesbians kill children and practice witchcraft.

They have turned "lesbians" into this evil cult of pseudo-satanic psychopaths in their own minds, so when that word was reflected back onto one of their own, in a comlpetely innocent context, it was their own "out of the mainstream" definition that got them so enraged.

[Richardson08]

42. Lesbian is a bad word?What planet does this guy live on?

If she was called a "dyke" or a "fag",then that's 1000% wrong but she was not called that.It's people like Pat Buchanan who have issues with gay people

[polmaven]

50. Actually, he thinks homosexuality itself

is offensive. He also pointed out that the "left" is simply trying to show that Dick Cheney is not a good conservative because he has a homosexual daughter.

[sangh0]

15. You people are morans

Rove testified to the Plame grand jury today

bush* lied about saying he didn't think about OBL that much

Kerry won all three debates

So let's talk about what Rove, Buchanon, and the cable news pundits want us to talk about.

[omnithrope]

21. We're "morans", yet you spell the word incorrectly?

It's "moron".

[Hell Hath No Fury]

29. Nope...

it's "morans" here on DU.

An homage to a particularly stoopid Bush supporter.

[omnithrope]

31. The guy with the sign?

I know that one all too well.
I stand corrected. =)

[LynnTheDem]

25. We KNOW all this thanks!

But SOME of us can actually talk about several issues, not all of them life & death, at the same time.

[sangh0]

32. And what good does that do?

Why aren't you talking about issues of life and death? There's an election coming.

[glitch]

17. He must be confusing the word "lesbian" with the word "liberal"

Poor old Pat "Past It" Buchanan.

[LynnTheDem]

27. But if he's doing that...

is he saying being LIBERAL = BEING AN ABORTION????!!!

Now THAT'S offensive!

rotfl!!!

[Jacobin]

18. Bingo. Pat is a fucking Homophobe

[omnithrope]

20. Is this an actual quote? Link?

nt

[ksoze]

24. Pat's confused...He thinks he has a brother named Bay

[LynnTheDem]

28. ROTFLMAO!!!

I think I've managed to snort my entire can of soda on this one thread.

No need to pluck any nosehairs for some time...

:D

[Hello_Kitty]

30. They owe an apology to residents of Lesbos Island for that

At least I think some people live there, don't they?:shrug:

[Stephanie]

33. That's exactly the issue. Kerry used the correct word.

I don't know many women who refer to themselves as gay. Men use gay, and it's used in a generic sense for both sexes, but when speaking about homosexual women, the women themselves invariably use the word lesbian rather than gay. That's why we refer to these issues as GLBT (Gay Lesbian Bi Transgender). There's a distinction. Kerry was correct.

[PretzelWarrior]

35. Buchanan also said bush won 3rd debate and he's holocaust denier

so who the F*CK cares what BUchanan says?

[scottxyz]

36. As opposed to the warm, soft curvaceous word ´lesbian´

How horrible! It´s almost as bad as calling someone ´African-American´ or ´Jewish´!

[shelley806]

38. Buchanan also lied about K/E marriage issue

The lying was the worse than the lesbian word issue. What substitute for a word? Lesbian is as factual as it gets in Mary Cheney's case. I didn't see the entire dialogue, but I did hear/see Buch. lying, saying that the Kerry's platform is to make marriage between homosexuals an issue, and thwart the "sanctified" marriage between hetero's. I personally don't give a hoot about this gay issue. It's just diversion away from the more important issues, like several of you have pointed put. But when we are lied to by a "paragon" of religion...the hypocrisy makes me ill.

[goodboy]

39. better than "selfish hedonist" nt

[demokatgurrl]

40. Funny, I just heard Buchanan use that cold hard word

in a radio interview with Terry Gross the other night.

Talking about how parents' hearts must break when their daughter announces that she is a LESBIAN.

[davidjhorrell]

41. Buchanan's an idiot

[GumboYaYa]

44. My wife and I have had more fun with the lesbian comments the

past few days than should be allowed. It is just so funny how all the tight-ass Reppubs think the word "lesbian" is some kind of dirty word. Every time we hear it mentioned at the top of our voices we look at each other and say "LESBIAN DAUGHTER." It is the running joke at the Yaya house now.

[yellowcanine]

45. Isn't lesbian the preferred word for those who are lesbians? I was always

under the impression that the preferred terminology was gays for males and lesbians for females. And that "homosexuals" and its variants are mostly used by homophobes and others who just don't know better. Am I wrong?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

46. Buchanan is running out of material

Wrinkling one's forehead and wearing a seriously constipated look as one peers into the camera only goes so far. Buchanan is really stretching to try to come up with somethin, ANYTHING to say to try to save the sorry Chimp's ass. I'll bet Buchanan looked especially constipated and exceptionally wrinkled his forehead when he came up with that gem of wisdom that "Lesbian" is a "cold hard word".

[progressivebydesign]

47. It's not offensive US. BUT you have to get into the mind of a rightwinger

You all forget that it's offensive to the Republicans! Sorry.. but it is. They have learned to say "gay" without a wince. They can talk about their friend's "gay" son or daughter. Or someone that works for them is "gay". But the REPUBLICANS cannot handle the word, LESBIAN. That's the crux of it. It's not about what WE think about it.. it's an answer as to WHY the Cheney's freaked out. They KNEW that their base would freak over the word LESBIAN. It's too hot of a word for those prudes.

That has been the point. I don't understand why people keep filling up these threads as though they're shocked that anyone would find that word offensive. We're talking about the conservative Christian base that Bush/Cheney are counting on. The word lesbian shakes them up.

Is it wrong for them to feel that way? Yes. Is it reality? Yes. (my best Rumsfeld, there).

[polmaven]

51. EEEEWWWWW!!!

you have to get into the mind of a rightwinger

Do I really HAVE to????? I'd feel so.....DIRTY!!!! Yuuuck!

[yardwork]

49. Pat Buchanan is giving tips on cultural sensitivity now?

Wonders never cease.

[suegeo]

52. I swear to God, the media is driving me nuts.

What are you suppose to call a gay female, if not lesbian?

Jesus, I go to work and tune out of the "news cycle" for a few hours, only to return and discover the fake outrage of the rightwing nuts about John Kerry answering a debate question about homosexuality...

Meanwhile, we hit the debt ceiling, Rove testifies under oath, people from Chechnya (sp?) are sneaking across the border, etc. etc.

I know that gay rights are important, but sometimes I just wanna scream about how DUMB ASS our media in this country is. For Christs' sake, Dick Cheney THANKED Edwards for his kind words re: his gay daughter not more than a week or two ago. And now the phoney outrage because Kerry answers a debate question put to him by the Bush Crime Family's golf caddy?!?!?

CAN ANY OF THE OVERPAID, HAIR SPRAYED WHORES MENTION THE FACT THAT DICK CHENEY SAID "THANKS" FOR THE KIND WORDS RE: HIS KID NOT TOO LONG AGO?!?!

God I hate these so-called journalists. They are truly worse than useless.

ARGHHGHH!~

[Warren DeMontague]

58. And Cheney Brought it up himself at a Rally in Michigan.

And they weren't outraged when Alan Keyes not only mentioned the fact that she's a Lesbian, but also called her a "selfish hedonist" and a "sinner" as well...

This is such a non-issue it's just, just.. astounding that they're going to talk about it all day.

It's like if Bush farted and they had a weeklong investigation into it.

[geniph]

54. "Lesbian" is offensive?

only to people who find civil rights "obscene."

Personally, I consider Pat Buchanan offensive and obscene in the extreme.

[Schup]

55. It boils their blood

because when Kerry says "lesbian" the hear "practicing lesbian."

Way too much for them to ponder.

[Warren DeMontague]

56. This is

WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE
FACING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TODAY!

At least, until we can get the definitive evidence out there that John Kerry singlehandedly prevented the US from "winning" in Vietnam.

[IIgnoreNobody]

57. Pat Buchanan will never again be able think of Cheney without visualizing

lesbian sex.

[DURHAM D]

59. What do you think Buchanan calls his own sister ?

Just very independent ?

Has a mind of her own ?

Gay ?

Just different ?

Dyke ?

Lesbian ?