China to Turn over Bin Laden?? Is THIS Rove's "Electoral Bomb"

[seventhson]

This confirms Gordon Thomas, a journalist with contacts in the most important intelligence services. The terrorist had reached an agreement with China, which now negotiates its surrender with Bush. It is his greatest electoral trick.



http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7077.htm


and

http://www.el-mundo.es/cronica/2004/469/1097487207.html

Bin Laden is in China



NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN




Bin Laden is in China


Translated from El Mundo

Gordon Thomas

10/13/04 "El Mundo" -- During the home stretch of the Northamerican elections, Osama bin Laden could prove to be the ace in the sleeve of president Bush. As we speak, Washington is negotiating a highly secretive agreement with Beijing, the Chinese capital, for the eviction of bin Laden from his sanctuary in the turbulent Muslim provinces of China, in the Northwest of the Great Wall nation. More than five million people, many of them fanatic followers of Osama, live in that region, which can be called one of the most volatile regions of Earth. Thousands of them work for the mafias who specialize in the trafficking of humans and drugs to the West. Last summer, Bin Laden sealed an agreement with the authorities in Beijing, in which he was granted asylum in return for his guarantees that the guerilla war of the Muslim Chinese against the Chinese nation would end.

Over the years, tens of thousands of troops of the Popular Liberation Armee had been sent to the region with the intent to squash the insurgents.Since the arrival of the Saudi Osama Bin Laden, the region has been relatively quiet, and the Muslims who live there are allowed to continue their trafficking of humans and drugs. However, Bin Laden could now see himself trapped in his refuge, if an extraordinary agreement between Beijing and Washington would come to pass, in which China would hand over to the United States the most wanted terrorist in the world. The capture of Bin Laden would virtually guarantee the reelection of George Bush Jr., as it would confirm to the millions of undecided voters of the U.S. that the war against terrorism was judstified after Bin Laden had authorized the attacks of 9/11 against New York and Washington.

"A new administration Bush would present China as its great new ally in the war against terrorism. China would enjoy in Washington the status of a most favored nation with all of its facets. Contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars would be approved by fast track. The history of human rights violations in China would be ignored," confirmed last week a high-level representative of the Pentagon. He added that only a small number of "members of very high rank" in the Bush administration knew about the plan to "seize Bin Laden in exchange for a special relationship with China." With almost certainty, among them would be the vice-president, Dick Cheney, and the defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

Agreeing to speak under anonymity, the functionary offered details of the plan to capture Osama Bin Laden as a means to keep Bush in the White House. He explained that this is not the first time that an American administration has resorted to similar maneuvers during an electoral campaign.

[msongs]

1. kerry should innoculate himself on this by saying it does not.....

matter if bin laden is caught...........sorta set the stage in case it happens anywhere before the election.

Msongs
Riverside Ca

[fugue]

4. He can point out that the Chinese had to catch him for us . . .

because Bush's administration is too incompetent to do it themselves.

[Guaranteed]

36. NO...FREAKING...WAY.

LOOK:

If Bush catches Osama, it's over, no matter what. The LAST thing we need is for Kerry to go around saying "We don't really need to find bin Laden" like BUSH did- which Kerry just CALLED HIM ON.

[eleny]

47. No, of course not

He can point out that it's poltical theatre and that the American public is being manipulated. Even if he goes down to defeat because of such an October surprise, at least he'll be telling the truth. We may need the memory of such things falling from a politician's lips.

[Contrary1]

50. He needs to let Teresa do that...

hehehehe

[mzmolly]

79. Welp that's what Bush says. "Bin Laden is one man," blah blah blah ..

So Kerry would simply say "George Bush wasn't concerned, thankfully our military was" ... :hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. If Bin Laden's In China I'm Brad Fucking Pitt (nt)

[seventhson]

11. Brad's middle name is NOT

fucking


But how in the f*ck would YOPU have ANY idea where Osama is, let alone Brad Pitt's real middle name?


lol

[RafterMan]

19. I don't believe the story

but remember that China borders Pakistan, and muslim fundamentalists have been crossing from Pakistan and fomenting discontent with China's muslim minorities for years.

It is not inconceivable that he's there.

Then again, it's not inconceivable that you're Brad Fucking Pitt.

[JohnnyCougar]

3. It's funny how this plan is so top secret

and yet this report seems to know about it.

BULLSHIT

If Osama is found, no one will be able to stop the leaking. The MSM would pick up on it right away.

[realcountrymusic]

5. Oh please

At this point I actually think a "secret deal" with China for OBL would blow up in Shrub's face.

RCM

Best. Anti-Bush. Song. Ever.
http://www.takinmycountryback.com/

[Arkana]

9. Indeed

Making deals with China would probably not bode well for Dumbya's reselection prospects...

[seventhson]

12. Dubya already has HUGE deals with China since his dad was ambassador

there. Their family has made BILLIONS dealing with really nasty baby-killers and slave drivers.

Corruption is rampant and the BFEE (especially those like Halliburton and dirty nukes there which caused the SARS virus last year through mutations near Gaundong P5rovince's leaky nuke plants) make literally BILLIONS of the trade and wheeling and dealing there.

Be for real.

It is so odd that it could be for real.

But how in the hell would any of US know.

If it doesn't happen then I am wrong (or Osama saw my post here and took off)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. And how many years ago was that? 20? 25?...

China likes our money, and they may have liked his dad, but they REALLY don't like the Chimpster. All of this Taiwan stuff has REALLY pissed them off.

Why would they help us when it's so satisfying to see the Chimpster sweat rivers?

[AntiCoup2K4]

38. The BCE has deep ties in China even today, so I wouldn't write this off...

It sounds a little too convenient, and I'm not buying the story without confirmation, but the Bush family DOES have ties to the Chinese government. Prescott Bush Jr. (Chimpy's uncle) is the Chairman of the the United States - China Chamber of Commerce. Poppy's Carlyle Group has millions tied up in China, along with the rest of Asia, and he also helps his brother out frequently. It's probably due to Uncle Prescott and Poppy that Junior got out of the embarrassing "spy plane" incident early in his Fraudministration as easily as he did.

[seventhson]

67. A Secret Arms for Osama deal that gets Bush elected and shows China

HELPING us aganst "terrorism" will be worth BILLIONS, maybe TRILLIONS over time and WOULD make Bush look GREAT in the eyes of the uninformed.

[okieinpain]

22. I do too, if they were going to pull this shit they should have done

it before the debates.

[seventhson]

70. NO - They need to do it soclose to the election that it cannot be spun

That is why the Frtiday or Saturday before the election is when it will happen.

Because the bottom line will be : We Got Him! ALL the headlines.

And anyone who says "October Surprise" instead of rejoicing will be branded a left wing CT whackjob nutcase. (That is how they played Theresa's comments)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. OBL Is Pretty Tall.... Maybe Yao Ming Was Mistaken For Him..

Sometimes a tin foil hat is too embarrassing to wear...

[NV Whino]

6. If Osama is found...

they are going t have to defrost him.

[David Dunham]

7. I don't think this is true.The surprise will be no October surprise.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

10. Doubt this is true

Even if it is I think most people would question the timing

[seventhson]

13. In America most people are not too bright when it comes to these things

and the Bushies know that.

If this story is true (and it is as plausible as any other scenario as far as I am concerned - el mundo is not a total false rag)and Osama is pulled out just beforte the election (before it can really be spun (like two days before or the weekend before) - then there will not be TIME for Kerry to spin it away.

So we need to assume the POSSIBILITY of it now and be prepared for it.

Dismissing it (unless you are a spook with inside info) is not helping Kerry.

The Bushes will say or do anything to win, including this deal (which has enough realistic details to make it plausible - just look at a map. Why the hell NOT China??? It is right next to Tora Bora, practicallym AND Pakistan. It makes sense.

If you discount it explain to me why.

And also why a deal with the Bushes may not have been struck ages ago with the Chinese just for this purpose.

My prediction: October 29th he comes in chains before the cameras.

They will say they have been "negoptaiting" with the Chinese and MILLIONS of US voters will buy it because they are fools.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

17. You give the Bushes too much credit

Besides China hates them

[seventhson]

24. I think they are scheming crooked bastards

who would do anything to promote their global fascist agenda.

RememberL these are the people who helped put and keep Hitler in power and backed Hitler against the US in WWII

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. Yes they are crooked bastards

But again you give them too much credit. Hitler would have gotten into power without them.

[seventhson]

43. I disagree

I think the Bush - Wall Street financing was critical to Hitler who envisioned an aryan-American global domination and the Bush money was key to realizing that dream (which has, in reality, come to fruition).

The Bushes are now in control of hitler's thousand or two thousand year Reich

Only Kerry can hinder or derail them by winning in November.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. China would be making a deal with the devil.

Who the hell would trust ANYTHING this administration says at this point? I don't know if this is true, but Kerry should preempt it if HE thinks it could be a possiblity. Break the secret October surprise for the cabal. I certainly don't believe this would guarantee the idiot's reelection. :eyes: It's a little too late for that.

[ladybugg33]

15. So we are going to be willing to embrace the biggest Communist nation on

earth for a deal like this. Then why did we lose all those men and women in those wars fighting communism? I really think this is bunk but if it is true, China will have us for dinner.

[liberal N proud]

16. I have said for months that they will capture him in OCT.

It would not be a streach for this regime to work with a communist country, we will be just like them if shrub gets the office again.

[yankeedem]

30. Looking at all the container ships coming from China

into Port Newark out my window, I think maybe we're doing more business with communists than importing chopsticks.

Communists who make cheap shit for US= Good (China)
Communists who want fair share of pie, populace not starving=bad (Cuba)

[Media_Lies_Daily]

33. LOOK!! Osama's in one of those containers!!!

[The Wielding Truth]

60. Remember Nixon did,

[Steelangel]

18. While it is possible that Bush will use that october surprise for election

but.. I don't believe that 'news' at all. I just don't.

[Francine Frensky]

20. IF this is true, we should all say: WTF took so long?

How many evil plans has he already cooked up? How many lives will be lost because he was on the loose for so long?

And the obvious: why was this timed perfectly for re-election??

[fugue]

21. Or the Chinese might pull a play from the Bush rule book

Just as it was arranged for the Iran hostages not to be released until Reagan was president, the Chinese might well hold bin Laden until Kerry is president.

No, I'm not accusing the Kerry campaign of being involved in it, the way the Reagan campaign was with the Iran hostages. I'm just thinking that the Chinese might well hold bin Laden just to keep Bush from being able to strut him in front of the cameras just before the election.

[seventhson]

23. Gordon Thomas is well credentialled writer and good intel background

http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Statements/Statement-G.Thomas.html


PERSONAL BACKGROUND:
I am the author of thirty eight books published world wide. Total sales exceed 45 million copies. Five of my books have been made into successful motion pictures, including the Academy Award winning Voyage of the Damned. My other awards include the Critics; and Jurys' prizes at the Monte Carlo Film Festival, an Edgar Allen Poe Award and three citations from the Mark Twain Society for Reporting Excellence.


I have written a number of non-fiction books dealing with the activities of various intelligence agencies. in 1998 1 wrote and presented for Britain's Channel 4, “The Spying Machine”, a major television documentary in which for the first time key members of Mossad appeared, describing their work. My latest book on the Israeli service, “Gideon's Spies,” to be published by St Martin's Press in New York, will be published in 40 countries in April 1999.

[Chomskyite]

58. I beg to differ

See my post below.

[seventhson]

68. Beg all you want - accusing Mossad and Israel of doing dirty tricks is NOT

antiSemitic any more than accusing Bush and the DIA of doing such things is anti_American.

We ALL know they all do it and for Israel and others it is considered a matter of survival by preemptive action.

As a Holocaust researcher whose father worked with the Jewish underground I fully understand such intel operations --- I just do NOT agree with many of them.

But there are thosae who would do anything to prevent another Holocaust or even mini-Holocausts and I do not really blame them for feeling this way (even if I think it may be wrong)

Thomas and Ostrovsky are just NOT afraid to use the moderate sources in Mossad to expose the extremists in it. That to me is something which is actually a benefit to the Israelis and the Jews. To allow the corruption by the extreme neo-Nazi or Neocon likeud etc is more harmful to Israel and to Jews averywhere than what Ostrovsky and Thomas are saying and doing.

The Truth hurts, but it needs to be said and exposed.

[ContinentalOp]

25. I'm not worried about the OBL October Surprise any more.

Kerry has been pushing the OBL angle so much that I guarantee he has an excellent plan to deal with the issue if OBL is suddenly captured.

[OneBlueSky]

26. China would have a civil war on their hands if they tried this . . .

do you really think that China is going to risk an uprising by five million fanatical followers of bin Laden just to help Bush get elected? . . . the negatives are just too big . . .

"More than five million people, many of them fanatic followers of Osama, live in that region, which can be called one of the most volatile regions of Earth. Thousands of them work for the mafias who specialize in the trafficking of humans and drugs to the West. Last summer, Bin Laden sealed an agreement with the authorities in Beijing, in which he was granted asylum in return for his guarantees that the guerilla war of the Muslim Chinese against the Chinese nation would end.

Over the years, tens of thousands of troops of the Popular Liberation Armee had been sent to the region with the intent to squash the insurgents. Since the arrival of the Saudi Osama Bin Laden, the region has been relatively quiet, and the Muslims who live there are allowed to continue their trafficking of humans and drugs."

on edit: this assumes, of course, that anything in that article is accurate . . . I don't necessarily subscribe to that assumption . . .

[seventhson]

71. Not necessarily. China will keep it secret in China and will kill anyone

who complains.

And Bush will help them with his secret corporate mercenary machines

[andym]

27. Highly unlikely that OBL gets captured just before the election

Of course this would be a great coup for *, and probably guarantee him the election. But it just doesn't have the ring of plausibility. Let's see how this plays out.

[seventhson]

72. I think he is ALREADY in custody somewhere. His PERP WALK WILL BE

just before the elction


if this theory is true.

I say October 28th or 29th.

[nicktom]

28. Assuming this story has the remotest chance of being true,

then Kerry should get in front of it simply by saying he read the story and hope's that it's true. If he thinks it could possibly happen what is the harm in bringing it up? I think he should take every opportunity to get in the news,(TV,radio,papers,Internet) in these last few days as he can.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. Riiiigghhhtttt...suuuuurrrrreeee....yeppers....

Wonder what bait Thomas' using...seems to be working very well.

[quaoar]

34. The entire premise of that article is horseshit

If Osama bin Laden is really in China and had really reached a deal to pacify Islamic resistance to Chinese rule in exchange for asylum, China would never give him up -- certainly not for a few hundred million in new business.

There is nothing more valuable to China that its territorial integrity -- Tibet, Taiwan, the Muslim provinces. China has shown time and again its willingness to piss off the United States or anyone else to maintain its claim to Taiwan.

If China had Osama and gave him up, what would the reaction be in the recently pacified Muslim provinces? Restlessness would escalate to open insurrection.

No. If China had Osama and turned him over to Bush, they'd want one hell of a lot more than favorable trade deals. They'd want Taiwan. They'd want Bush to look the other way while they forcibly reintegrated Taiwan.

China might just risk insurrection in its Wild West if it could regain Taiwan. And Bush certainly might be willing to sell out Taiwan to win the election, but the truth would come out and he'd be a pariah -- even in his own party.

[nicktom]

37. I agree with everything you said, but what is wrong with Kerry

taking the offensive?

[Clinton Crusader]

35. Is this the same info?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1079051&mesg_id=1079051

:kick:

[seventhson]

44. yes

[Borgnine]

39. If OBL is "caught," then it's over for us.

And I want that bastard caught, don't get me wrong. Even if it rings suspiciously that OBL is captured right before the election, do you really think the morans out there will use critical thinking? Not likely.

[George_S]

40. No wonder Bush said he wasn't concerned about him.

He had him in the bank, safe and sound.

[zulchzulu]

41. Chimpy blew it... it's too late now to pull OBL out of a hat

It would be incredibly suspicious timing. They had their chance pre-Debate time.

All Kerry would have to say is that when Ray Kroc died, that didn't mean that McDonald's went out of business.

[Yunaleska]

76. You need to think like Rove

I agree if he is just pulled out of no where before the election it will look odd. BUT - what if Osama and pals were, oh say, planning on personally nuking a city two days before the election ("to disrupt the election") and bush managed to save that city AND capture Osama through his brilliance as president? THAT might fly a little better.

Anyone remember one of the latest "tapes" in which they ask their followers to continue on ward when something happens to them? Sounds like a perfect set up... CNN can quote it and say "Oh look THAT'S what they meant when they said that!"

Think about a few weeks ago all the talk about Osama wanting to disrupt the election.

The segments of the story have already been put down. All it takes is a little creativity. Seriously, this isn't beyond Rove.

[Maddy McCall]

42. Hahahahaha! That's ridiculous.

[seventhson]

45. Why, the author has substantial credibility and this is a credible

publication.

The author is an intelligence expert who specializes in China issues and claims that the mkultra work continues in China

I yhink this is very plausible.

Do you know something he doesn't know?

[secular_warrior]

46. OBL Oct surprise would never work - everyone expects it

An October surprise only works if it is a surprise.

IMO, Bush has to hope OBL is not caught before the election.

If OBL is suddenly "captured" on Nov 1st it would work against Bush; people would think it was a political stunt that risked national security. They would blame Bush for not getting OBL sooner, and Kerry's charge that "Bush let OBL get away at Tora Bora" would take on added significance.

[seventhson]

73. Not really - Those who believe it is planned ALREADY will vote Kerry BUT

those who do NOT believe in such things or know about them will STILL fall for it.

I hope you are right (that if it happens it won't work) But EVERYBODY knows that the capture of Bin Laden will boost Bush immeasurably and maybe bring the election to him hugely.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

48. Do the Chinese have Osama bin Laden's address?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

51. What are the five million people in the "turbulent Muslim" region

going to do when the Chinese evict or turn over Osama?
The article says Osama is there in the first place
because he agreed to calm down the people and stop a rebellion.
What are all those temporarily Osama-calmed Muslims going to do
when they find out the Chinese govt turned Osama over to Bush?
Are they going to get turbulent again?

[LibertyorDeath]

49. Where ever the CIA keeps their deep cover Operatives

That's where you will find Bin Laden.

[fujiyama]

52. If Osama is captured

before the election it is virtually over. While these sort of bounces may be temporary, if they are timed right, they can and will have a major effect.

That's why it was good for Kerry to have gone after Bush on Osama. That statement Bush made (regarding him not being concerned about Osama) should be repeated over and over again, instead of this mindless Dick Cheney's daughter is a lesbian crap but as we know an independant media doesn't exist in this nation.

Instead we have what basically amounts to Pravda light or some set of propaganda networks.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

53. Even if OBL is in China, it'll be hard to find him. China is huge

Bush* has shown he's not in the least interested about Bin Laden, so I doubt OBL will be the "October Surprise".

If there is a October Surprise, it'll be along the lines of planting traces of WMD in Iraq and saying "look we found them".

[A-Schwarzenegger]

54. If Osama reads DU he's probably already packed & long gone

from his China sanctuary and wrecked
this "highly secretive" deal.

[Free2BMe]

56. naw, can't get off the floor from laughing..hiccuping to death.

[Free2BMe]

55. Bin Laden will never be caught/surrendered alive...

[Dcitizen]

78. Need to know a web site to list 46 terrorist groups.

Plus emerging ones in Iraq, and OSL is big name but crippled guy, to spread the site just in case.

[Chomskyite]

57. Gordon Thomas also made some anti-Semitic charges . . .

. . . after Columbia broke up. He said the Israeli astronaut aboard was carrying out surveillance of Iraq and also doing chemical weapons-related experiments aboard the shuttle.

This is typical anti-Semitism all the way. If he was Israeli, then of course he was linked to nefarious doings. Notice there's no citation of sources, just guilt by association.

ISRAEL'S SHUTTLE ASTRONAUT WAS ON A SECRET MISSION ON COLUMBIA
by Gordon Thomas

Astronaut Ilon Ramon was conducting secret experiments on the Columbia to discover new ways to beat Saddam's threat to use biological and chemical weapons against Israel.

For most of his 16 days on board the Columbia, he had been using cameras linked directly to the Israeli Space Agency to study desert dust and wind-drifts emanating from the deserts of Iraq.
The information was fed to the Institute for Biological Research - the ultra-secret establishment that is at the cutting edge of Israel's multi-layered defence system.

Read here for more: http://www.globe-intel.net/intel.html

And Gordon Thomas's collaborator on his Mossad book seems none-too-credible. This capsule from Foreign Affairs magazine seems to sum it up best:

In 1990, Victor Ostrovsky wrote By Way of Deception, which contained convincing tidbits about Mossad recruitment methods and operations. How much was true could not easily be determined, but some Israelis close to Mossad were very unhappy that it had been published. Now the author says that the present book is part of an effort to discredit a right-wing faction within Mossad and was done in cooperation with a moderate Mossad faction with whom he was in touch since his supposed departure from the spy agency in 1986.

Why should anyone believe that this book is any more genuine than the previous one? It suffers from some of the same flaws: extensive quotations of conversations based on memory and, supposedly, notes. It attributes enormous power to Mossad, along with a total lack of moral scruples and political control. And there is almost no way of checking the truth of his assertions, some of which are very dramatic, including a plan to assassinate President Bush. No doubt some of this book is true, but to sort out fact from deception is extremely difficult. A common thread in the two books is the author's high opinion of himself.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19950501fabook4514/victor-ostrovsky/the-other-side-of-deception-a-rogue-agent-exposes-the-mossad-s-secret-agenda.html

[seventhson]

65. Thing is - Ostrovsky has a lot of credibility and Foreign Affairs is Right

Wing spin machine for the neoNazis.

I think it is just as antiSemitic and "racist" to deny or ignore the bad of Israel or any other ethnic/religious group as to investigate and report the facts.

Thomas does indeed accuse Israel's Mossad of Collaborating with the neoNazis in US intelligence and of crimes. Ostrovsky. additionally, claims his reasons for exposing the bad elements in Mossad is for the protection of the people of Israel and all of humanity (to expose the corruption within Mossad's exreme right wing)

Maybe he was right about the Israeli astronaut, maybe not. But MAYBE his sources were sources INBSIDE Israeli intelligence and were valid.

I am not qualified to say. But to call it anti-Semitism because the sources are not enough for YOU is wholely unfair.

But I have not read what you cite and will reseve judgment - as I think you should.

The right WANTS to discredit this man.

Only time will tell if he is right.

And SO WHAT if the Israeli astronaut was doing such things. THAT was probably fina all the way around. What is antiSemitic about that?

[naufragus]

81. ANTI-ISRAEL IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC

[RollergirlVT]

59. If China is harboring Bin Laden

There should be no negotiations for them to hand him over. To do so would equate to negotiating with terrorists. If they are harboring him they are a terrorist state.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

62. UH OH ... Gotta invade China. That might be trouble.

[AntiCoup2K4]

77. That's not gonna happen as long as Carlyle has money tied up over there.

Junior can't fuck with the family fortune.

[Chomskyite]

61. Gordon Thomas also said in his book on Mossad

. . . that Monica Lewinsky may have been an Israeli agent.

It's in the collection of quotes from his book on this amateur 911 conspiracy-buff's page. You have to scroll down to #32. For some reason this guy numbers all his separate segments backward. God knows why:

{p. 93} In March 1997, on receipt of information from Mossad's katsa in Washington, Yatom took action. He send a yahalomin team to Washington to follow-up on the katsa's report that President Clinton was repeatedly inlulging in phone-sex calls with a a former White House

{p. 94} aide, Monica Lewinsky. He was making the calls from the oval Office to her apartment in the Watergate complex. Knowing that the White House was totally protected by electronic counter-measures, the yahalomin team focused on Lewinsky's apartment. They began to intercept explicit phone calls from the president to Lewinsky. The recordings were couriered by diplomatic bag to Tel Aviv.

On March 27, Clinton once more invited Lewinsky to the Oval Office and revealed he believed a foreign embassy was taping their conversations. He did not give her any more details, but shortly afterwards the affair ended.

In Tel Aviv, Mossad's strategies pondered how to use the highly embarrassing taped conversations; they were the stuff of blackmail - though no one suggested any attempt should be made to blackmail the president of the United States. Some, however, saw the recordings as a potent weapon to be used if Israel found itself with its back to the wall in the Middle East and unable to count on Clinton's support.

There was common consensus that the FBI must also be aware of the conversations between Clinton and Lewinsky. Some strategists urged Yatom to use "the back-door channel" with Washington and let the FBI know Mossad was aware of the president's phone calls: it would be a not-very-subtle way of telling the agency to back off in their continuing hunt for Mega. Other analysts urged a wait- and-see policy, arguing that the information would remain explosive whenever it was released. That view prevailed.

http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/wtc.html

[seventhson]

66. I believe that is possible (not likely, necessarily, but possible)

Bush and Sharon and the extreme right gig NOT want Clinton to make the peace between the parties.

They also probably knew he had such predilictions for young willing females.

[oldschoolguy]

63. Pay attention to upcoming Bush speeches...

....if he starts mentioning OBL again and bringing him back into the 'terra' discussion, then watch out. There could be some truth to this and he would be 'setting the table'.

Overall, I doubt this will happen. Too close to the election now.

[sontec]

64. Kerry will do a Reagan.

the K/E campaign has already made
the CHINA call...kerry will secure the
UBL release...

[seabeyond]

69. excellent obl is caught and disgust for president that would

use three thousand american deaths as a political tool to win the election. just disgusting he allowed obl to stay out there til a week before election. tells you the "man" he is.

[seventhson]

74. Imagine Bush in the Rose Garden Saying with a Grin "WE GOT 'EM"

I TOLD you "He Can run but he can't hide!"

The message being that neither can Kerry and that Bush's words have value and strength

I think it is major foreshadowing that Bush used this meme.

Two birds with one stone, etc.

"I TOLD you we'd get 'em and I HAD to be quiet about it so we COULD get 'em. You don't TELL the terrorists who are WANTED DEAD OR ALIVE" That you are on their trail. Heh. Heheheh!"


I can see the Monday morning headlines now on November 1, 2004.

And on the back pages: Democrats cry FOUL! in small print.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

75. This fits in nicely with Bush's sudden withdrawal

of the 500 trillion dollar reward for Osama's capture,
since China already has him.

[naufragus]

80. Outsourcing capture to RED China!!!!

and it took 3 years