Kerry Winning MEN's Vote, Losing WOMEN's (WTF?)

[liberalpragmatist]

According to the latest Newsweek poll:

Bush has a clear advantage with women, who prefer him 49 percent to 43 percent. Kerry has a slight edge with men, 50 percent to 46 percent. The Democrat also commands 50 percent of the youth vote (with Bush at 41 percent) and 54 percent of the senior vote (to Bush's 39 percent.) But Bush dominates the 30-49 set (56 percent to 39 percent). Voters aged 50 to 64 are split evenly, with 46 percent backing Bush and 48 percent Kerry.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6260444/site/newsweek/site/newsweek/

I'm not saying this is a bad thing - it's a wash if it the men's vote cancels out the women's. However, this is so out of whack with every other election and all the other polls. Could this just be a mistake in the article? Anybody have any idea?

[genius]

1. We need to make more of the Dred Scott thing. THat will guarantee the

women's vote.

[aquart]

2. Women have despised Bush for 4 years. Why would we change?

Not believing this poll for a second.

[agingdem]

4. Kerry's got the women's vote...

relax.

[Carla in Ca]

36. I second that!

And here is why:

[Misunderestimator]

3. It MUST be a mistake. There is NO way that Kerry is losing women.

Or that women favor Bush. No way! What an amazingly stupid typo.

[jonnyblitz]

8. this is the first you heard of this?

I have been hearing this for a few weeks. security moms they are called..

[Misunderestimator]

18. Then why is that that every poll I see has women favoring Kerry

by a significant margin? Even recently.

[durablend]

43. The ones that have been hit too many time in the head...

With a soccer ball, no doubt.

[cheshire]

5. Look at where you saw it. It's BS.

[jonnyblitz]

6. michael moore needs to write "stupid white women" now

I am sure Bush doesn't have the support of the majority of women of color..

anyways I have been hearing this for the past few weeks. They are called the "security moms" . They think Bush can protect them from terrorism. :shrug:

[cheshire]

15. Ann Coulter is not a woman. That's a man.

[featherman]

7. Exactly... this is either a misprint or an absolute garbage poll

simply flies in the face of everything we KNOW about the DEM and GOP bases. Good example of the grain of salt axiom. What fools.

[Cerridwen]

9. Does "likely voters" include the

Over 21 million unmarried women voters who did not cast a ballot on election day 2000?

That may be the disparity.

My .02.

[Generic Other]

10. Would that be the chickenhawk biddies for Bush?

Oh, excuse me, Mrs. Chickenhawk. Go lay an egg you clucking security moms.

[AndyTiedye]

19. Boosh* Will DRAFT THEIR KIDS!

[benburch]

11. Could this be sympathy for his obvious illness?

I wonder if more women than men are moved when they see somebody who is obviously quite ill, as Bush is?

[atommom]

39. Only if every other woman in the country is much, much nicer than *I* am.

Which is not unlikely, actually... :shrug:

Seriously, though, I have a hard time believing that article. Doesn't make sense to me at all.

[AP]

12. Fascism (fear) is very effective with women. That's what happened in Chile

...when the US was undermining Allende. The CIA found it easier to scare women into being anti-Allende than they did convincing men to dislike him.

[annabanana]

26. HEY.... I object to this post.

I don't know any chicken women. This statistic is a load, and probably only believed by men who still think they are "protective" of the weaker sex.

[AP]

33. I could give you the page number from the Pinochet Files where the CIA

describes the great success they were having convincing women not to support Allende.

Hate to break it to you, but this is just a fact. Women are more susceptible to fear as a motivator for not voting liberal.

It's because most women know in their life they're vulnerable to violence and many have experienced violence. So they feel they need a man to prevent violence. And when the guy protecting you is threatened (husband, father, brother, uncle, president) is threatened, they get a little defensive.

9.11 -- pictures of men running in fear -- freaks women out. They lose the shield. That's how terrorism is very effective. And that's why cowboy bush starts to look good (and this is DESPITE THE FACT THAT THOSE COWBOYS DIDN'T STEP UP ON 9.11 -- THEY FUCKED OFF TO AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION).

[AP]

38. thought I'd get a response to 33.

[annabanana]

40. um ok...........we're not in Chile.

[AP]

45. Chile wasn't in Germany but fascist strategies worked both places

and they work here too.

[troublemaker]

13. Good News? (Theory)

Poll date Oct 14-15 (Thursday-Friday)

Let's say the Mary Cheney "smear" smear after Wednesday's debate had a real impact among women. (He attacked someone's child!!! OMG!!!)

That's a short-lived story, not an election mover, so the women ought to spring back hard in a few days.

But if the men's figure is legit it's a BIG deal.

[jcappy]

20. agreed

two very pertinent points

[dave502d]

14. This is it,the poll don't know shit.

The people in control of these poll our only trying sway voter.With
cell phones and so Many dem without phones.How can they get a poll right.

[jcappy]

16. He's got PERSONALITY

"Bush's demeanor on Wednesday led more people to see him as more personally likeable (48 to 43 percent)." (from relevant piece)

And you can bet more women think this than men. That self-conscious grin and perhaps pitty because he is so obviously losing--in the debates. Several liberal women have mentioned this to me--"I feel sorry for the guy."

But more importantly, I think FEAR plays the bigger role. Protectionism and security have not suddently ceased as a male racket--women fear men but still must turn to them for protection, so any kind of change may seem threatening.

[Misunderestimator]

21. Bullshit....

Just wonderful how people are swallowing this crap and making it look like women, who have ALWAYS favored democrats, are somehow swaying towards Bush, as if they are fucking idiots. No way do I buy this. No way.

[jcappy]

30. not the point

The reasons i give here are why 40% may vote for Bush, but not why 49% are, because I don't believe the figure either. 40% is still hard to fathom, given the hate, fear and war mongers in office...but hey the fear thing works when you got the media behind you. And women have not always gone democratic--check back a ways when they almost invariably voted with their husbands.

[Pushed To The Left]

17. Some of the worst right-wingers are women

Remember the RNC Bandaid woman?

[Misunderestimator]

23. Some? Maybe, some... certainly not MOST.

Jeez... what the hell is this about anyway... a ploy to blame women if Bush is elected? Let's keep the blame where it should be... greedy men who would rather elect a man they could have a beer with than someone who could effectively run a country. If men could not vote... this election would already be over. Kerry would be our president. Well, actually Gore would be our president.

[Pushed To The Left]

27. All I was saying

was that there are right-wingers of both sexes. I wasn't putting down women.

[Misunderestimator]

28. Ok, fair enough...

But since this thread is about women (inconceivably) supporting Bush over Kerry, it's getting me a little hot under the collar. And it's irritating that one biased poll of approximately 1,000 people is believed by anyone here.

Yes, there are right-wingers of both sexes, but the majority are men.

[DemFromMem]

22. Where are you glass is half-full people?

How cool is it that we're winning with men? We'll get the women in the end, but I never expected to be winning with men voters.

[bloom]

24. I'm not inclined to believe it ....

if anything - I think Kerry has seemed more war-happy in his debates - not something that I am attracted to - but that is the opposite of the "security mom" argument.

Of course CNN, etc. has been pushing the "security mom" meme pretty hard recently - I don't know if that makes a difference with anyone - getting in with the imagined crowd.

Women should read the article I saw recently (sorry I can't tell you where :) ) that showed how everything Laura spoke out for, Bush was against. As if he purposefully went contrary to her views. I think that would make some women cranky.

[SoCalDemocrat]

25. Terrorism flipped the soccer moms to Bush

We need to hammer Bush on how weak he is on terrorism and how unsafe he has made the world and our country. The soccer moms have very little information to go on, so they vote based on the misinformation they are fed. Show them the truth, and they will return to Kerry.

[annabanana]

41. please define "soccer mom" for me

It sounds as if she exists in a opaque kind of bubble. (I frankly doubt her existance altogether.

[KayLaw]

29. I doubt this

They polled mostly Republicans - maybe many were women. The only thing I can think of that may have swayed women is the impression Bush doesn't want a draft.

[Laelth]

31. Nope.

Don't believe it at all. Either a typo or a really, really wacky (and small) poll sample. Next ...

-Laelth

[newyawker99]

35. Hi Laelth!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Laelth]

37. Greetings!

... and thanks for the warm welcome! :smoke:

-Laelth

[gordianot]

32. I do not understand this Security Mom idea.

We now live in a country that cannot provide flu vaccine to the population. So Moms in this country actually think that the same administration that has allowed this to happen is going to protect their children in lets say bio terrorism. How damn stupid are these people?

[LoZoccolo]

44. Some mothers would poison other people's kids to get their own ahead...

...if such a thing would work without them getting caught, of course. If you grew up in the eighties you probably know what I'm talking about. You see this shit all the time in places like Grand Rapids Michigan.

[Star]

34. During the last 2 debates,

I watched CNNfN. They were monitoring a group of people for their reactions during the entire debate, and you could watch a moving graph across the screen. There were two lines, one for men and one for women, that moved up for approval and down for disapproval. Whenever the moderator spoke, the lines always became neutral.

Strangely, the women's line showed higher approval when Shrubby* "spoke" and lower when Kerry was speaking. The men's line was mostly just the opposite - they tended to react more favorably to Kerry.

I thought at the time that it seemed odd.

[JCMach1]

42. This virtually proves it was horribly skewed Repug

there is NO WAY this is true...