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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:10 AM
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New LOW for Gillespie?
I am in regular contact with a very sweet and impressionable Christian/Republican girl who has been asking me alot about the candidates.

She was under the impression that Bush* is divinely inspired and moral. In a very balanced and gentle way I've been giving her information and letting her ponder it.

It is all very confusing to her now that she is beginning to see how propaganda works.

She has been sending me RNC E-flyers that talk about how Bush* won the debates and Kerry hasn't a prayer. I sent her the actual news clips and polls as well as my more mild impressions, as well as an explanation of why she's only hearing the Cheerleaders, not seeing the score.

Today she sent me this;

"From: "Ed Gillespie, Chairman, RNC " <gopteamleader@gopteamleader.com>
> Date: 2004/10/16 Sat AM 09:30:37 EDT
> To: <........@adelphia.net>
> Subject: The Weekly Team Leader: Democrat's Election Guide Tries to Scare
Minority Voters
>
> Dear----,
>
> The Associated Press today reported on an official Kerry campaign/ Democratic
National Committee election guide that instructs Democrats to make up charges of
voter intimidation even if no signs or evidence of voter intimidation actually
exist.
>
> This document proves the Kerry Campaign and the DNC are more interested in
scaring minority voters than in working to reach out to them on Election Day,
even if it means completely making things up.
>
> And late today we received reports that Americas Coming Together (ACT)-a group
working to get John Kerry elected-is distributing flyers in Missouri featuring
an old photo of a civil rights marcher getting hit with water from a fire hose,
presumably in Selma, Alabama, and claiming Republicans are trying to suppress
minority voters.
>
> This gross behavior is demonstrably false and it is unacceptable conduct.
>
> But this is the environment John Kerry and Terry McAuliffe create.
>
> The Kerry Campaign and the DNC are instructing Democrats around the country to
make charges they know to be false, and to manipulate the media into printing
and repeating the false charges in newspapers around the country.
>
> Republicans have worked hard to reach out and bring the President's message of
hope and optimism to all Americans, including minority voters around the
country. John Kerry sees these efforts, is concerned by them and is now working
to scare those voters with lies and wholesale fabrications.
>
> Every day Americans are witness to more and more proof that Democrats are the
Party of protest and pessimism, providing a sharp contrast to our Party's action
and optimism.
>
> They can't win with their candidates and they can't win on the issues, so they
stoop to an all-time-low that is unbecoming of Presidential politics.
>
> That's why our Party is growing while their Party is shrinking. And that's
why they will lose in November.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ed Gillespie
> Chairman
> Republican National Committee"


OK- I have looked everywhere for ANYTHING resembling this 'AP story' and I am finding NOTHING!

I thought I would at least find something. Like: "A democratic parent said their kid was bullied by the son of a Republican parent."

But I can find nothing!

Do I really suck that bad a searching?
Is this story out there?

Or is Gillespie more despicable than even I thought?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:14 AM
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1. It's a lie.
Edited on Sun Oct-17-04 02:16 AM by grasswire
I saw the debunking of it just yesterday, although I wouldn't know how to find it now. The election guide is a standard guide. The RNC is flat out lying. I saw Tucker Carlson use this same Gillespie trash on crossfire on Thursday. It's a lie.

Maybe someone else has the debunking.

And I suggest you read that Atlantic Monthly story going around about Karl Rove's history of election theft. He pulled the same kind of tricks in a 1994 campaign.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:14 AM
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2. Did your friend actually WATCH the debates herself, instead of letting
"Special Ed" tell her who won? :shrug:

If you can at LEAST get her to not go to vote for shrub it will at least be a worthwhile half victory.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:41 PM
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16. I believe that is the most likely case now...
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:16 AM
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3. Here you go:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041015-121325-3896r.htm


And yes, Gillespie IS more despicable than you thought.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:25 AM
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5. Thank you Granny...
That'll help me clear things up.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:30 AM
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6. my pleasure
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:17 AM
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4. Send her the article about the guy in Arizona who
is being investigated by the Oregon Secretary of
State and Attorney General for throwing away Democrat
ballots.

That guys is a Republican.


No, this isn't a new low for Gillespie. You know
he's lying because his lips are moving.
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rhino47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:44 AM
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7. I sent an email to the weasel
asking for the link to the ap story.What do you think the odds are that I get a reply ?
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:52 AM
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8. Am i deluding myself?
I really fail to see how any campaign could ever get any sleazier than the one we are now in. It's really quite embarrassing to be seeing ourselves extolling the virtues of democracy, yet putting on this obscene display of a political campaign.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 06:42 AM
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9. Send your friend this expose of Karl Rove from Atlantic Monthly
Edited on Sun Oct-17-04 07:38 AM by emulatorloo
Your friend needs to learn about the depravity and lies of Karl Rove.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200411/green

Karl Rove in a Corner
Joshua Green
Atlantic Monthly

So much more than the 3 paragraph snip I am going to post - especially see the smears by Rove of Mark Kennedy as a pedophile:

<snip>

typical instance occurred in the hard-fought 1996 race for a seat on the Alabama Supreme Court between Rove's client, Harold See, then a University of Alabama law professor, and the Democratic incumbent, Kenneth Ingram. According to someone who worked for him, Rove, dissatisfied with the campaign's progress, had flyers printed up—absent any trace of who was behind them—viciously attacking See and his family. "We were trying to craft a message to reach some of the blue-collar, lower-middle-class people," the staffer says. "You'd roll it up, put a rubber band around it, and paperboy it at houses late at night. I was told, 'Do not hand it to anybody, do not tell anybody who you're with, and if you can, borrow a car that doesn't have your tags.' So I borrowed a buddy's car down the middle of the street … I had Hefty bags stuffed full of these rolled-up pamphlets, and I'd cruise the designated neighborhoods, throwing these things out with both hands and literally driving with my knees." The ploy left Rove's opponent at a loss. Ingram's staff realized that it would be fruitless to try to persuade the public that the See campaign was attacking its own candidate in order "to create a backlash against the Democrat," as Joe Perkins, who worked for Ingram, put it to me. Presumably the public would believe that Democrats were spreading terrible rumors about See and his family. "They just beat you down to your knees," Ingram said of being on the receiving end of Rove's attacks. See won the race.


Some of Rove's darker tactics cut even closer to the bone. One constant throughout his career is the prevalence of whisper campaigns against opponents. The 2000 primary campaign, for example, featured a widely disseminated rumor that John McCain, tortured as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, had betrayed his country under interrogation and been rendered mentally unfit for office. More often a Rove campaign questions an opponent's sexual orientation. Bush's 1994 race against Ann Richards featured a rumor that she was a lesbian, along with a rare instance of such a tactic's making it into the public record—when a regional chairman of the Bush campaign allowed himself, perhaps inadvertently, to be quoted criticizing Richards for "appointing avowed homosexual activists" to state jobs.


Another example of Rove's methods involves a former ally of Rove's from Texas, John Weaver, who, coincidentally, managed McCain's bid in 2000. Many Republican operatives in Texas tell the story of another close race of sorts: a competition in the 1980s to become the dominant Republican consultant in Texas. In 1986 Weaver and Rove both worked on Bill Clements's successful campaign for governor, after which Weaver was named executive director of the state Republican Party. Both were emerging as leading consultants, but Weaver's star seemed to be rising faster. The details vary slightly according to which insider tells the story, but the main point is always the same: after Weaver went into business for himself and lured away one of Rove's top employees, Rove spread a rumor that Weaver had made a pass at a young man at a state Republican function. Weaver won't reply to the smear, but those close to him told me of their outrage at the nearly two-decades-old lie. Weaver was first made unwelcome in some Texas Republican circles, and eventually, following McCain's 2000 campaign, he left the Republican Party altogether. He has continued an active and successful career as a political consultant—in Texas and Alabama, among other states—and is currently working for McCain as a Democrat.

<snip>

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:16 AM
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10. Another Rove Dirty Trick you should make your friend aware of
http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2004/10/index.html#004459

<snip>

THE DIRTY TRICKS BEGIN. Steve Clemons posts on what looks to be, as Josh Marshall believes, a classic Karl Rove-style dirty trick. (The similarities to an incident described in Josh Green's recent Rove profile are pretty startling.)

The gist is that someone went into Tennessee congressional candidate Craig Fitzhugh's office and "found" a bunch of fliers with George W. Bush's head pasted onto the body of a competitor in the Special Olympics, with the tagline "Voting for Bush is Like Running in the Special Olympics -- Even if You Win, You're Still Retarded."

Why does this seem like a dirty trick? A couple of reasons.

<snip>

More at http://www.prospect.org/weblog/archives/2004/10/index.html#004459

Please go read it.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:49 AM
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11. He is a natural liar
There is no depth to which he would not sink -- as all Republicans.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:58 AM
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12. This is more NONSENSE!!!
Another LIE! Please see (if you can stomach it) the RNC's own page:
http://www.rnc.org/
There you'll find a link to a DNC pdf (although highly abridged):
http://www.gop.com/media/DNCGuide3.pdf

In that PDF you'll find the description of the DNC's "pre-emptive strike," and it simply means warning people about the thread of voter fraud and intimidation, reminding people of past infractions, making people aware that there is concern, etc... It does NOT mean "completely making things up."
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:06 AM
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13. No "new" lows
for people that never seek any highs.
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IIgnoreNobody Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:50 PM
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18. That's what I was gonna say, it's impossible for him to reach a 'new' low

Although I gotta think it must hurt the Republicans to have their main spokesperson be someone who actually looks like the epitome of evil. I could swear I saw him speaking with a forked tongue!

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Sputnik Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:08 AM
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14. Give her this
Ron Suskind's article on Bush in today's NYT:

"Without a Doubt"
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html?oref=login&position=&oref=login&pagewanted=print&position=

"'Faith can cut in so many ways,' he said. 'If you're penitent and not triumphal, it can move us to repentance and accountability and help us reach for something higher than ourselves. That can be a powerful thing, a thing that moves us beyond politics as usual, like Martin Luther King did. But when it's designed to certify our righteousness -- that can be a dangerous thing. Then it pushes self-criticism aside. There's no reflection.'"


Also, link her to the Sojourners website: http://www.sojo.net/




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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 09:08 AM
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15. Another lie: Republican party growing while Democratic party shrinking
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 12:44 PM
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17. Thank You all very much...
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