Swift Boats rejected.

[bush equals idiot]

You know what? The more I think about it, the more I think people will start to resent hearing anything from the Swift Boat liars. This sleaze has run it's course and TEAM J-J is still cruising along.

They tried it and it didn't work. Especially now with the Koppel report, where Nightline actually went to Viet Nam and interviewed the people who were there. This Republican hit team has been reduced to shambles. They're still trying to hold onto the rim of the sewer hole by their fingertips. But it's not looking good and you know what's in a sewer hole. They have only one audience...Republicans. For the rest, I like to call it-- I think they're like toilet paper sticking to the bottom of your shoe.

I think the more they persist, the stupider they're going to look. You know what I mean-- when people have heard enough of some "news story" and then someone mentions it again. They say, "oh please, get out of here" get a life. And they just write them off as a nuisance. I think that's where the Swift Butts are right now.

O'Neil is going to start turning peoples stomachs. Let them come. The more they say, the more people will ignore them. I think there's going to be a very big disappointment in store for Sinclair. I also think there are some stations and reporters preparing pro Kerry and Swift Boat slime pieces that we don't even know about yet.

I just have that feeling that Sinclair is making the mistake of their corporate existence. They are going to regret this long after November 3rd.

So I'm just going to carry my list of Sinclair adverisers in my wallet who will suffer forever, unfortunately for them. Because I'm going to do that no matter what.

But after that, I'm just not going to put a whole lot more energy into worrying about this. I think Sinclar better have a whole lot of Republican friends and stock buyers. I think John Kerry will be president. And I think the Swift Boat pricks will be remembered as nothing but a national embarrassment. Glug glug glug... into the sewer.

That's my gut feeling of how this is going to turn.

[sam sarrha]

1. They are still there because the money is still flowing in...

[Connie_Corleone]

2. I just got a 6 page mailing from them in the mail!

I didn't check my mailbox yesterday, but I went out there today and a damn Swiftvet mailing was in my mailbox! They must be sending it out to all registered voters in swing states, at least in Ohio, because I'm registered as a Democrat.

[Renew Deal]

14. They sent out a mailer?

What does it say?

[gauguin57]

24. Yep ... I got the same damned glossy brochure from these creeps.

I looked up the postal service rules, and, unfortunately, since it's bulk mail, we can't just write "refused" and have them pay the postage to send it back (the post office throws out returned bulk mail). I wish I could staple something heavy inside the damned thing and make the SwiftLiars pay the return postage.

It's just the same old shit ... pictures of guys who supposedly served with Kerry (lies lies lies), with all kinds of "unfit for command" quotes over their heads.

Treasonous traitors!

[peacetalksforall]

3. I think the Frontline program this past week will help the cause for two

reasons - the obvious - Vietnamese testimony - but more importantly, it shows the infantile personality and desparation of O'Neill. He had a tantrum when faced with another side of the story. HOW DARE ANYONE go to Vietnam to find something that counters HIS story! Bad, bad Koppel.

[speedoo]

4. It was on Nightline, not Frontline.

But Frontline ran an equally powerful program comparing the careers of Kerry and the shrub.

[cavanaghjam]

33. yeah, but

if few saw Nightline, Frontline has an even smaller audience. The people who might be dissuaded from voting for Bush certainly won't sit still for two hours or so without some celeb gossip thrown in. I agree that Frontline was a powerful piece, though. Straight talk, no BS.

[tsuki]

5. Can someone tell me

something about this O'Neill other than he is a Swift Boat Veteran, a Texas Lawyer and makes huge contributions to the Republican Candidates? I find very little on the web.

[telex54]

7. I believe that he's the guy Kerry debated--

on whatever television show that was way back when. I wasn't around then, I just remember seeing the footage on Frontline the other night.

:)

[MADem]

23. Here's the abbreviated history

John O'Neill took charge of Kerry's Swift Boat after Kerry had departed the Nam. There was no face to face turnover. They had never met while in the theater of war.

Charles COLSON, of Nixon White House fame, dug him up when Nixon was getting nervous because Kerry was getting a LOT of footage on the Nightly News (this was before cable, EVERYONE paid attention to the news, it was like church!). Nixon had nothing good to say about Kerry, so they dragged O'Neill up to the White House, Colson carefully prepped him, and he stood up as an "independent" (hack, cough, choke) voice to take up the banner for Vietnam Vets who SUPPORTED the War. What an ass! What ancient dirty tricks! Nothing, sadly, has changed!

Anyway, his shining moment was on the DICK CAVETT SHOW (one of my favorites, very intelligent discourse, you do not see that kind of TV anymore) where O'Neill turned up in a blue seersucker suit with white socks and dark shoes, and "debated" Kerry on the Vietnam War issue. Kerry wiped the floor with him. I remember watching it live as it happened and it was really great TV, for the times, anyway. Everyone I know watched it.

O'Neill disappeared into obscurity, while Kerry went on to greatness. Kerry probably weighs about the same as he did when he appeared on that show, O'Neill is quite truthfully UNRECOGNIZABLE--he looks fattened up, rode hard, and put away blotchy, bloated and wet.

Transcripts, photos of their faded youth here: http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=KerryONeill

[mzmolly]

8. What kind of information are you looking for? He's a private citizen

"the web" isn't going to be loaded with articles and info?

:hi:

Welcome to DU!

[tsuki]

12. He gave up

his right as a public citizen when he started putting forth the RNC agenda. I just want to know, what did he do to make all this money he give to the Republicans? Where has he been since the Nixon days?

[tsuki]

13. BTW

Thank you for the welcome. Boy was I glad to find y'all.

[pearl]

9. this guy was a Nixon opperative

30 years ago against Kerry. This guys been carrying a grudge on
JK for that long.

[ET Awful]

10. Other than he's had it in for Kerry for over 35 years?

First because he got hired by Nixon to "destroy" Kerry before he "became another Ralph Nader." (Nixons words, not mine).

Second because he got his ass handed to him by Kerry on the Dick Cavett show.

[evilqueen]

18. Check this blog entry of mine for more links about O'Neill

http://www.dedanaan.com/silent_lucidity/archives/swiftboat_liars_discredited_again.php

[tsuki]

21. Thank you...

it is more depth than I had, but where did he get the $14,000. And why would anyone want to hear anything from Nixon's and Colson's lap dog? And was he really in Cambodia as he told Nixon, or was he lying about that also?

[evilqueen]

22. Where did he get $14,000?

O'Neill is a Texas lawyer. I assumed he got it from his work as a lawyer, but I don't know.

When FOX News Channel managing editor and chief Washington correspondent Brit Hume asked O'Neill to respond to "allegations" that he has made more than $14,000 in federal contributions to Republican candidates and causes since 1990, O'Neill responded by saying "that is not true. ... Actually, about half of them were mine." When Hume asked about "the other $7,000," O'Neill claimed: "Those are actually funds, as nearly as I can tell, that were given my -- by some -- my law partner who has almost the same name, Edward J. O'Neill. I simply didn't give them. I would have been happy to give them. I just didn't."

O'Neill's claim that "Edward J. O'Neill," not he, made the contributions, is contradicted by Federal Election Commission records, which clearly list the contributor as John O'Neill, not Edward O'Neill. Edward O'Neill made his own contributions, which are listed under his name.

It's worth remembering that if Edward O'Neill actually made the contributions in his law partner's name, it would be a violation of federal election law. -- From: http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002

What I find interesting is that John O'Neill's middle initial is "E", I think. And Edward O'Neill's middle initial is "J". Heh.

+ There is no Edward J. O'Neill listed at the law firm that John O'Neill works at: http://www.copwf.com/atty_profiles/partners.htm#oneillej

More Info

[tsuki]

30. Thank you...

This is the kind of info that I am seeking. Now, I can inquire as to how many contributions Edward J made. There is more here than has been looked into.

[evilqueen]

34. Good luck digging into this.

If I can be of any more help, let me know. Altogether, you have quite a pile of links to look through.

[quinnox]

6. I agree the swift smearers are only playing to the choir now

It's the same crowd that hangs on every word of the likes of Hannity or Rush, anyone with a brain can see these guys lost all their credibility about a month ago.

[Democat]

11. There is no such thing as a "backlash" in this election, give up on it!

The more rude and mean and dirty Bush gets, the better he does. The more lies he tells, the better he does.

Don't believe the "backlash" myth, many of the American people don't seem to care about the truth, they just want to hear lies and attacks and the right wing is better at lying and dirty tricks than we are.

Kerry had better have some devistating attacks up his sleeve for the last few weeks if he wants to win. This election is all about who can be the dirtiest and meanest. It's sad, but that's what it looks like at this point.

[Quixote1818]

17. I agree and NO one saw the Nightline program, it was on at 12:00am

[The Wielding Truth]

19. What's weird is they recirculate their own commentaries as facts.

I was just delving in the world of swiftvets,right wing, hate almost everything,but love any thing that a Christian says websites and I saw lie building on misinterpretation building on what they want to be said, and fantasy quotes.
It feels like Alice in Wonderland or a madhouse newspaper.
Even if you are naive and trust what you read if you keep reading it folds in on it's self. How will we ever get the truth out there?

You want to see some?

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Page=\\Nation\\archive\\200410\\NAT20041014c.html
http://www.empirepage.com/guesteds/guesteds276.html
So twisted you think well maybe they are trying to give the news then it wanders on about how the article person is somehow untrustworthy or misguided like saying Kerry's handlers want to rebuke stolen honor
How about honest Americans or even the Democrats want to rebuke
Stolen Honor. There is an article about Nobel Peace Prize winner who
speakers of her hopes that Us will accept Kyoto . Then a Commentary that makes you doubt Kerry/Edwards position on Kyoto.All so slanted where is the straight news?

[tsuki]

20. I saw President Carter

on C-Span before his 80th. He was still the gracious man he projected. He talked about when he ran against President Ford. They always referred to each other as "my honorable opponent" or some such. They are friends. He claims if they had acted like the politicos of today, the American Public would have run them off. Is is us, or is it them?

[discopants]

15. they'll be busier than ever

The SBVT liars will be very busy and getting very rich during the 8 years of the Kerry presidency. :)

[bush equals idiot]

16. This is warmed over meat now.

It's one thing if this was just coming into the news for the first time. But they started way back, thinking they could eliminate any chance of Kerry even being competitive. But surprise !! Didn't work so good did it.

So now they're throwing their desperate hail Mary pass with round two. But it's been there...done that. People who matter to us will start to find this repulsive, biased propaganda bullshit. Dishonoring a war hero.

I wasn't wrong about cautioning the need to be calm about the Koppel report. And you saw how that turned out.

My instinct tells me the same thing here too. I just have the feeling this is going to blow up like a grenade in their hand.

[kaitykaity]

25. Bill Kristol about ABC: They talked to the Viet Cong

and believed them instead of our boys.
How dare ABC???

I laughed out loud.

[evilqueen]

26. Sounds like O'Neill's been talking to him.

Is this the same William Kristol who is a member of PNAC?

[kaitykaity]

27. Yeah. One and the same.

He's disgusting.

[Elwood P Dowd]

28. Yep.

And son of one of the original Neocons, Irwin Kristol.

[evilqueen]

29. The roots reach way back in time.

Wish I had more time to dig up info on all these names and cross reference thru a database, along with organizations and corporations. Might be some interesting results there.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Remember what happened when they got too self-righteous over Clinton...

They ran ads in '98....

"You don't want to vote Democrat.. and Reward Bill Clinton for his misbehavior, do you?"

People got irritated with the self-righteousness and endless slamming. And we did pretty well that year.

I think there's a real danger for them that they may hit that point.

[Dem2theMax]

32. Hey, you just hit upon a really good idea.

"So I'm just going to carry my list of Sinclair advertisers in my wallet who will suffer forever, unfortunately for them. Because I'm going to do that no matter what."

Why don't we do that? All Dems everywhere, especially any Dem HQ - print up a 'Kerry Card'.

Vote for Kerry - Boycott Sinclair
And then a list of all the Sinclair advertisers. We could have these cards all over the place within a week. If Sinclair and the advertisers know that their names are going to be on that list forEVER and not just till Nov. 2, maybe it will make them take a second look at what they are about to do. If they show the film and the advertisers stay with Sinclair, they buy themselves a lifetime boycott from ALL DEMS EVERYWHERE. And then we make sure to get the word and 'the card' out there.

This would be simple to make, simple to hand out and simple to do.
'Do' as in boycott. Every Dem site, every blog, every you-name-it could also have a 'print out' Kerry card/boycott Sinclair card ready to print. Whatcha all think?

[symbolman]

35. Swiftboat Vets?

Their mothers were hamsters and their fathers smelled of elderberries.. :)

Here's my fun and fact filled Flash attack ad against those turds - I call them "Hatriots" rhymes with Patriots, which I'm sure they used to be..

turn up those speakers, music by Hendrix, "Machine Gun"

http://web.takebackthemedia.com/geeklog/public_html/staticpages/index.php?page=20040826021602165