No Flu shots = dead seniors/sick people = reduction of S.S. rolls....

[henslee]

This administration knew there were no flu shots yet did nothing. (on edit) If not deliberately, they are knowingly culling the herd by their apparent ineptitude. What do "mythical" security moms think now?

[aquart]

1. They're mentally spending the inheritance?

[henslee]

2. By doing nothing, they had to realize this windfall would be an obvious

consequence. Still, I will try and edit my orig. post and tone down my rhetoric a bit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Hey, they just need to get rid of

a few more useless eaters.

[luaneryder]

4. My take as well

[Inland]

5. I just saved ten bux on dad's flu shot, and expect earlier inheritance too

Thank you George Bush!

[dave502d]

6. I don't put anything pass this administration .

[sr_pacifica]

7. Yes---backdoor solution to Soc. Sec. dilemma n/t

[BuelahWitch]

8. One 79 year old woman died while waiting in line

In San Francisco, a 79 year old lady collapsed from exhaustion and died from injuries she sustained in the fall. I often miss my mother who passed on at 71 four years ago, but when see things like this I think she's probably better off.

[bush equals idiot]

9. There's one incredible benefit to this flu debacle

Well actually two. There is no way for Bush to spin his way out of this one.

Second, it is not going to be only a one day news story. This is going to hang in the headlines almost daily because more and more stories will come out about sickness, people being turned away, people being furious, writing papers, calling.

It's just not going to go away all the way to the election. In fact, it's going to get worse. How many times do you get lucky like that.

Who knew the flu would eventually cure the nation of the disease in the White House. Almost too good to be true.

[Steelangel]

10. Heh, that's what my friends and I discussed about few hours ago..

I plan to make a topic about it but you gotcha it.

[cosmicvortex20]

11. Put down the tin foil hats

Accusing the right of the deliberate slaughter of old people is a bit over the top -- the right will take this and make crats look like fools to the center.

You dont do the left any favors spouting this nonsense.

[Steelangel]

17. with neocons and their limitless cruelity

I am not surprise if they did that to older people.

and.. rightwingnuts are ALREADY fools so why should we concern about their perspectives? Just a thought.

[cosmicvortex20]

22. Your full of it too.

I know lots of right wingers - my parents included, and I can assure you, none of them have any ominous plans to kill old people or eat babies.

What hyperboilic lunacy. If we lose, its gonna be because of insanity like this being put forth as real political discourse. Watch the middle just walk away.

[Steelangel]

24. *sigh*

what a boring and retarded comment, "your full of it too".

Go and read this: http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/08/con04361.html and make your own judgement on your comment. I will not bother to look into this topic again.

[madfloridian]

25. Baloney.

I am sorry, but that is just rhetoric. This is an administration that is quite capable of anything, because they simply do not care about people.

[henslee]

29. No one is accusing RWers, just the Admin of LIHOP. And this winter

when thousands of oldsters and sick folks are dead because of the vaccine shortage, I am sure their survivors will find great comfort in your pathetic rant that the loss of their loves ones was not on purpose. And if * does somehow steal this election, be sure and thank your mom for me.

[DemBones DemBones]

19. I'm not accusing them of deliberate slaughter but of MALPRACTICE

as the people in charge of this country's health care policy.

Want details? See my thread for a start

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1096458

[cosmicvortex20]

21. Withholding needed medicine and an axe are the same...

deliberate slaughter... thats how its going to be painted by the right and with good reason. I disagree with practically everything W has done, but accusing them of killing our older citizens makes about as much sense a accusing them of eating babies...

It makes whoever says it look like a crackpot.

[Karenina]

33. Denial

ain't just a river anymore...

[Deja Q]

12. They know of possible S.S. collapse. And of peak oil.

While it may be an over the top or otherwise ridiculous thought, those are ideas worth pondering: Culling the population.

Same can be said for offshoring.

[bigtree]

13. God I'm relieved to come home and find you on this

It's been a long day and I didn't really feel like opening my can of whoop-ass on DU for ignoring this.

I'm going to bed now. I'll pick this up in the morn. :hi:

Here's my earlier post about our candidate's efforts on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1093409&mesg_id=1093409

[catmandu57]

14. I wonder if poppy and barbar

got their shot?

[BlueNomad]

15. Interesting...

The CDC lady said in an interview that they're are something like 26,000 flu related deaths each year--that's with folks getting vaccines. You do the math.

Incompetence + Cruely Arrogance = Tragedy

..true in alot areas of the Bush adminstration...

[madfloridian]

16. On CNN Howard Dean said Bush was warned about vaccine....cut feed.

Could have been accidental. So the times that others were cut when going after Bush. When they got the feed back, the word vaccine was not mentioned.

[DemBones DemBones]

20. Damn, that's interesting. Audio failures when Bush* incompetence is

mentioned on CNN. Just coincidence, no doubt. Coincidence, my pet goat!

[DemBones DemBones]

18. See my thread on this issue, too, please. We really can make a

difference for Kerry by enhancing awareness of the Bush administration's business as usual/ screw-ups as usual that led to the shortage.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1096458

[Cleopatra2a]

23. My SO says the same thing, thinning the herd! n/t

[hockeyrules]

26. Rethugs Misleading on Flu Shot/Tort Reform

Saw some Rethugs on the Sunday TV shows claiming Kerry didn't vote on a tort reform bill so he caused the flu shot problem.

Besides the obvious logical leap, this ignores the truth that VACCINE MAKERS ARE PROTECTED FROM CLAIMS BY A FEDERAL LAW:

As a trade off over the polio vaccine, in 1986 Congress gave vaccine manufacturers almost complete immunity from lawsuits. The program has been in effect since 1988.

Any action against a vaccine manufacturer is pre-empted by the claims procedure set forth in the National Vaccine Compensation Act. Claimants have only three years to submit a claim for vaccination injury, and only two years to file a claim if death results.

The Department of Justice defends the claims for the government, & here's what they say about the program:


Another positive result of the program is that costly litigation against drug manufacturers and health care professionals who administer vaccines has virtually ceased. Although an individual who is dissatisfied with the Court’s final judgment can reject it and file a lawsuit in state or federal court, very few lawsuits have been filed since the program began. The supply of vaccines in the U.S. has been stabilized, and the development of new vaccines has markedly increased.

[bigtree]

27. Back to the top!

:kick:

[Name removed]

28. Deleted message

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[henslee]

30. Call it LIHOP. Call it murder. Call it whatever lets you sleep at night.

Welcome to DU, pal.

[Octafish]

31. No such thing. It explains the behavior of incompetents, at best.

NAZIs, most likely.

Read what the BFEE turd Grover Norquist had to say regarding the deaths of "The Greatest Generation," in reply to the question "Is the Democratic Party coming to an end?":

"Yes, because in addition their demographic base is shrinking.  Each year, 2 million people who fought in the Second World War and lived through the Great Depression die. This generation has been an exeception in American history, because it has defended anti-American policies.  They voted for the creation of the welfare state and obligatory military service. They are the base of the Democratic Party. And they are dying. And, at the same time, all the time more Americans have stocks. That makes them defend the interests of business, because it is their own interest. Because of that, it's impossible to bring to the fore policies of social hate, of class warfare."

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, FatMonkeySam! Where ya been?

[Karenina]

34. It's happening in Americans' names

ALL OVER THE WORLD.

[Vickers]

36. Aw man, don't get all cootchy-hurt

It's just the way the internets work, mmmm-kay?

[madfloridian]

38. This statement was made by "senior aide" to Bush.

Read it, and then talk about what we are saying. This is from the Suskind article in the NYT magazine today.

SNIP.."In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

I doubt you can read that and not think this group capable of anything.

[Dem_Loyalist]

32. I don't want to speak out of turn here

I'm pretty new here and don't want to upset anyone but some of these replies are the reason the cons make such fun of us progressives at times. bushco screwed up major big time but to believe it was done on purpose? Please don't take this as defending anything to do with *, I hate the whole rotten bunch of them. I'm just trying to add to the discussion.

[Karenina]

35. Welcome to DU.

Stick around if you are willing to have your eyes opened. First go to http://newamericancentury.org Read the "manifesto," check out the signatories and when you have an EDUCATED point of view to offer, please do post it. :hi:

[Dem_Loyalist]

37. Thank you very much

I will read that immediately. Gaining insight and education on political issues is exactly why I am here and I DO appreciate all I can learn from fellow members.

[madfloridian]

39. Bush was warned about the shortage in 2001.

He chose to ignore the warning, knowing it would be dangerous. He chose....he did it on purpose. He chose not to address the issue.

That was willful, it was on purpose.

[rasputin1952]

40. I am locking this thread:

Some of the efforts here seem to be over the top.

I would ask all concerned to look at this rather than as a conspiracy, more like a complete breakdown of a system that has run amuck because of pretty poor planning and quality control.

Than you for your understanding.