Bush up by 4 in Colorado - poll out today

[annerevere]

Denver News4 poll. It was tied at 44-44 a couple of weeks ago. Reason for Bush move, they cite Repubs are coming home to Bush.

[still_one]

1. republicans coming home to facism

[WI_DEM]

2. What are the numbers? is Bush under 50%?

if so, we still have a good chance.

[janx]

12. I searched for any news on this poll and found nothing.

Maybe they haven't posted it on their web site yet...

http://news4colorado.com/politics/

[stevebreeze]

3. If the poll is not skewed in favor of GOP as some are

and it is 46-42, it is still very very close. Most undeclared voters tend to vote for the challenger(typically 3-1). If Bush is not above 48 he is not even close to safe and there is still hope.

[liberalpragmatist]

16. That's less true in Colorado

An accurate Colorado poll SHOULD sample more republicans than Democrats because Colorado has more registered Republicans than Democrats.

[janx]

18. Yep. Colorado has 37% Republicans, 31% Dems, and 32%

nonaffiliated voters.

That third percentage tends to keep things interesting, especially now.

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

33. colorado polling about Indies

they fall 3/5 to Kerry...you do the math....

Bush was here a few days ago...so maybe you are seeing some bumb form that visit...

[janx]

34. Believe me, I know about the Indies--I was one until I registered

Dem to help Dean.

I can't wait to see what this election will bring.

[stevebreeze]

41. regardless of the dem-gop ratio, oversampling gopers will skew a poll

No matter if there are more gopers if they are over-represented it will bias the poll in the gopers favor. People do like to vote for a winner. The gop is doing many patently illegally things to try to skew this election, why would they hesitate to try to influence polling agencies to lean the polls slightly, and to most citizens, imperceptibly toward their favor?

[janx]

4. Do you by any chance have a link for this? It would

be helpful.

[Dimsdale]

5. Congratulations, Colorado.

Way to show how no matter how badly The Chimp abuses the power of his office, he's not accountable. Right! Four more years for the lying, murdering, giggling POS!

[uncle ray]

17. uh, it's not just colorado

it's half the whole fucking country that supports *. i live in colorado, i'm voting for kerry. my vote is gonna mean a hell of a lot more than those of the people who "feel good" because they live where there is a clear dem majority.

oh, and don't bother visiting. we're real mean.

[janx]

19. Yeah. And the weather's terrible, as is the scenery.

;-)

[LiberalFighter]

44. You're just saying that to keep people from visiting

[Dimsdale]

31. Uh, it's also in Pennsylvania..

My vote is going to mean a hell of a lot here since Chimpy for some strange fucking reason is supposedly running even with Kerry. If the dickwad * wins here, I'll say the same about Pa.
And do stop around in S.E. Pa sometime. We've got some great brew pubs.

[factcheck]

37. Oh, c'mon!

Everyone come and visit!!! We are REAL nice in the mountains. Tourists help support the state economy and keep our ski passes really cheap!!!

Hug a tourist today!!! :)

[cubsfan forever]

6. Don't believe everything you read

Remember, this is designed to suppress the vote and Denver News4 poll sounds like a news station. Besides, 48-44 leaves 8%. Factor in the margin of error (if they even gave who was polled) and this poll means.............Nothing.

"Coming home to Bush" is a Repug talking point that the media desperately wants to spread.

Professor 2

[necso]

9. "Coming home to Bush"

is a Repug talking point that the media desperately wants to spread.

You got that right.

If even a small percentage of the "respectable wing" of the Republican Party realizes that this is their moment to take back control (of the Party), the neo-cons are toast.

[delete_bush]

27. "Coming home to Bush" ?

I prefer "chickenhawks coming home to roost"

[NewYorkerfromMass]

35. Yeah, it's like Gregor Samson waking up

and being just fine with being a cockroach. Sure.

[janx]

36. A lot of people in Colorado have a Gregor Samson morning

every day!

That's why I think Chimpy's going to lose.

[necso]

38. I like your post.

And not to be picky. But I like this better:

"It's like waking up and finding out that you have been turned into a cockroach -- and being just 'fine' (maybe 'happy') with it."

I think that, perhaps, a few people might escape your meaning. And I really like the image -- it fits so well -- as would "dung-beetle".

And, of course, you are free to suggest further refinements.

We are, I believe, talking about "respectable" Republicans and traditional (Republican) conservatives waking up to see what their Party has become.

And let me toss another thing out -- it is a lot easier to win with an incumbent. Is there an issue with the President's health? Cheney's?

You have to put yourself in the other guy's "shoes". -- For the neo-cons, step one would be to throw out anything resembling a scruple... And guess who isn't on the "list". (But no -- not really.)

[JusticeForAll]

7. While every state is important to win

I think the more important race is the Electoral College vote taking place here. I'm thinking Colorado is going to be a wash with little side gaining benefit: 5-4 or 4-5, insteado f 9-0 for either candidate

[montana500]

8. the denver news and post polls are run by

GOP pollsters.

[Gaffey Duck]

10. Great news.

If CO's that close, Bush is up by 1 - 2 points nationally tops.

[janx]

11. Oh rats--I can't find anything on their web site about it!

http://news4colorado.com/politics/

All the other political news is there. Maybe they just haven't gotten around to posting it yet.

[are_we_united_yet]

13. Why post this?

Why?

[janx]

14. Why

indeed.

[Fluffdaddy]

15. What should we only post GOOD news.? The Free-Reps

Pull that shit not us.

[mcg]

20. No link provided, so I'll ignore this

I searched their web site and found nothing about this.

[shawmut]

21. 48-44 is very close

sorry, but why the heck should we pull out based on that poll? CO wasn't even a state that people thought we could win earlier in this race and to have it at 4 points right now is very good news for us. And that's only ONE poll, too!

[janx]

23. What poll? All we have is the original post claiming that there

was one that that Bush* was ahead. Nobody can find any evidence of any poll conducted by Denver News 4 today.

[shawmut]

24. and that too .... no link

and no reason to talk about pulling out of CO.

[janx]

26. Wait...I'm going to solve this thing once and for all. I'll get offline

and make a phone call...

[sandnsea]

22. We could call Colorado, but noooo

That thread gets ignored. Let's have a tizzy over a poll instead. Good grief.

[exliontamer]

25. A News 4 poll and fifty cents...

... will get you a cup of bad coffee.

Denver's local broadcast outlets --especially 9 News-- are shameless Bush whores who parrot whatever scripts are handed down to them. Most polls that we see around here in the Post and elsewhere come from Survey-USA, Mason-Dixon and other dubious outifts. A recent poll in the papers had Bush way ahead, but the internals were all over the place.

[Hawkeye-X]

45. Where is that fifty cents coffee?

I want some toxic sludge here. I am tired of overpriced starbucks.

[annerevere]

28. Hey guys, calm down

I saw it earlier this evening on the News4 show at five. Only caught about one minute of it.

That's all. It doesn't mean Kerry will lose Colorado. But keep in mind there are almost 200,000 more Repubs than Dems in Colorado. That's a very difficult mountain to climb.

[janx]

29. It was a poll done in conjunction with the Rocky Mountain News.

I just talked to the guy at News 4.

It's on the Rocky Mountain News web site. The Rocky Mountain News, coincidentally, just happened to endorse Bush* today.

Edit: I can't find it on the Rocky site either, yet. I'll keep looking.

[tarheel_voter]

30. I don't know about Colorado, I hope we have some good internal poll number

I think Colorado could be winnable, but the thread mentioning Arizona as a possibility is pure happy talk. The repukes would love it if we spent money there, as our return on investment in AZ would be zero...

[janx]

32. Now that I've found out where the poll came from and given it

some thought, it makes a lot of sense.

The right wingers are terrified of losing Colorado.

They're going to pull out all of the stops here. It is already beginning.

Edit: There's also a Senate seat they're going to lose here.

[fujiyama]

39. How is this bad news?

Sure, it's not as close as it was a few weeks ago, but this is still about half of what he won it by in '00.

CO has been a republican state for the most part. Clinton won it in '92 by a small margin and that too Perot took a huge % of the vote then.

I wouldn't give up completely but I think it would be very tough for dems to take CO. Hopefully dems and indies will come out in full force...and I doubt Nader will have a huge impact this time.

[janx]

40. It means almost nothing. It's a poll commissioned by the

Republican Denver paper and a local news channel. The Dems and Indies will be out in full force; I can promise you that.

[Hawkeye-X]

42. Polls are dead wrong btw

My informal survey when I ventured to GOP stronghold of Colorado Springs today and its surburbs shows FAR less B/C signs in cars and in the yard. Sure, there's tons of Coors signs, but the dearth of the B/C signs are showing me that they aren't liking * here. More K/E signs on Manitou Springs area.

[n2mark]

43. Check

my post the reason the Independence Institute