Repub's thought on lack of vaccine...

[Demaholic]

From another board...

"One of the reasons these people don’t have access to ample supplies of flu-shot is because TRAIL LAWYERS LIKE JOHN EWARDS are suing the crap out of companies who develop medicine. The risk has become so high American companies no longer develop the Flu vaccine. Because of LAWYERS LIKE JOHN EDWARDS we are outsourcing inventiveness to foreign countries."

"Yes, and maybe 20 years down the line.....after we have been convinced government healthcare is fair, we can force competition out of the food industry too."





WOW! They really believe this crap, don't they???

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Trail lawyers?

Was it a nature trail?

[Demaholic]

3. lol

I didn't even catch that!!! Lack of proper grammer seems to run rampant in the repub party as of late.

But seriously, are they that brainwashed???

[NewYorkerfromMass]

18. Spelling.

It was a spelling mistake endemic of right wing message boards.

[footinmouth]

2. Makes sense to me

If not for trial lawyers like the evil John Edwards, we may have had plenty of flu vaccine to go around. Too bad it's contaminated. Oops, sorry. But let's not even think of holding those labs/companies responsible.

I'm sorry, these people are whack jobs.

[kikiek]

4. I think they do. Just isn't profitable enough. They also believe that

the drug companies prices are justified because they have to pay for research. Most research is funded by the govt. The majority of costs are from advertising. They are disgusting the way they get MD's to prescribe their medicine. You can tell when a drug company has been through an office. New and expensive prescriptions come into the pharmacy. They will take doctors on trips and buy dinners etc. Won't go into the lobbying now, but we need to get our country back. Starts with a new administration and then the work begins.

[RebelYell]

5. My brother is a psychiatrist

He's driving a new Jag thanks to the drugs he prescribes made by Pfizer.

"Prescibe psychotropics, get a Jag!"

[kikiek]

6. Isn't it disgusting. And we wonder why insurance costs are so high.

Easier to blame the lawyers. They're good targets anyways. Knowing the facts of the Edwards case with the disembowled child due to refusal to fix the drains with a 2 cent screw, what mother or father wouldn't sue.

[RebelYell]

12. It's doctor like my brother

that make a bad situation worse.

He's out of my will. :)

[MADem]

16. I have a relative who 'sells' that shit to MDs

The sample case, the bullshit stats, the whole speil. Guess what was in it for him, this year? Free vacation for entire family--cruise to the islands for a week.

It's our money. If they are giving away those kind of tips to the schmucks in the chain, imagine what the big boys are pulling down.

Egregious.

[RebelYell]

21. That is why

I refuse to take drugs not off patent.

#1 - they're dangerous. No one is going to use me as a guinea pig.

#2. - the cost, and the ludicrous perks going to the doctors.

[MADem]

26. I think it is a shameful way to make a living

I have a cousin who quit working for DuPont when their involvement in the production of napalm was exposed. He was making a fortune, too, but he couldn't live with himself working for a company that would make that crap. He was a chemist, so he found other work fairly quickly, but not at that obscene level of pay.

[RebelYell]

27. Commendable n/t

[Still_Notafraid]

7. Its

Funny they attack the only defense they have against Corporations,I would love to ask a Freeper what does he think we should do when Medicine they tell you is safe kills your only son,should you just go on with your life and say well they didn't mean to kill my kid o well
thats life.

stupid Moran's.

oh i only lost one of my kidneys it wasn't there fault that my prescription didn't warn me of this possible side effect,and now i
will never be able to work again because i cant walk!

I don't know what is fair about a corp that makes 1.6 Billion off one drug then raises there price on it,how much money is enough why cant they just level at a huge profit instead of trying to increase it by breaking our backs.

[kikiek]

11. Especially when they are guilty of hiding data that proves the dangers.

[likesmountains 52]

8. There is a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

currently in place for people who suffer severe reactions to vaccines...created by our own Dept. of Health and Human Services. You can look it up at www.hrsa.gov/osp/vicp. We have to give this information to anyone receiving a vaccination. The lawsuit argument is total BS...as usual.

[kikiek]

9. Thanks for the info. That will help.

[Carla in Ca]

10. So, hit back.

It is because 'designer' drugs are where the profits are.
My next series of emails and letters will be to say that even our vaccines are out-sourced, and that the administration knew there wouldn't be enough last summer.
Care to join me?

[kikiek]

13. Sure. I will if you give me some hints on what or who to send it to.

[bigtree]

15. Posted so far

Lies, flip-flops from the 10/13 debate -- Flu vaccines from: radfringe
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1093409#1093520

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The Bush Administration is partly responsible for the flu vaccine shortage.
Why you're right:

1. The Bush administration knew about the shortage and didn't do anything about it. The administration found out about the shortage – caused by contamination at a factory owned by Chiron in northwest England – in mid-September. Britain found out at the same time and responded to the warning by quickly securing alternative supplies. (Washington Post)

2. The Bush administration failed to encourage more companies to produce vaccines. Part of the problem is that there are only a handful of manufacturers. The Bush administration could have encouraged more suppliers to enter the market by buying vaccines directly, promoting flu shots more aggressively or requiring health insurance companies to cover flu shots. (CBS News)

3. The Bush administration is responsible for regulating Chiron. At the debate on Wednesday Bush said Chiron is "a company out of England." But Chiron is based in California. The government has now decided to investigate if the company violated U.S. law. (Philadelphia Inquirer, New York Times)

Why they're wrong:

The Bush administration claims it was not told by British authorities until October 5 that the plant was going to be shut down. But that misses the central point. The administration was told about contamination problems at the plant on September 13. The British took that information and made alternative plans. The Bush administration did nothing. (FDA, Washington Post)

http://winningargument.blogspot.com/

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Medicare Bill Gave Drug Industry $139 Billion in Extra Profits

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1093409#1097569

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Seniors line up outside my store at 4:30 am for flu vaccine. (Kerry Response)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1093409#1093520

[kikiek]

17. Thanks that was a good one to print.

[Carla in Ca]

22. Try the cable news networks for a start

Their news is biased, as we all know, but that doesn't stop me from telling them what I think.

[eriffle]

14. They don't care

Aren't fundies against vaccination?

[gulliver]

19. Thanks for posting this drivel.

Most of the GOP leaders don't believe it. They are just hoping we will.

[Carla in Ca]

20. We need to hit media with one voice

like when we hit the polls after each debate. It will have the same effect, believe me.
Use our media list as a guide and write, write, write!

One voice:
Administration even out-sourced our flu vaccines?!
Zarqawi and Al Qaeda may have joined forces in Iraq?!
1,100 dead/1,000s wounded with no end in sight?!
Largest deficit in our history?!



KERRY IN A LANDSLIDE!!!!

[RebelYell]

23. I read somewhere yesterday

that the CDC is over stating the deaths from flu. They lump together the flu deaths with pneumonia deaths, and the real flu deaths are less than 3,000, not 36,000.

I had the "real" flu 9 years ago and have taken the vaccine ever since, except this year. I'll let the older folks have mine.

[dansolo]

24. This idiot doesn't realize that it was an American company

And that the problem was with the deregulation policies that allowed such a shoddy operation be responsible for a large portion of our vaccine supplies.

[girl gone mad]

25. I thought vaccine manufacturers..

were protected against most kinds of lawsuits?

[mzmolly]

30. They are via the: National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

This has been in effect since October of 1988.

http://www.hrsa.gov/osp/vicp/abdvic.htm

The VICP is continuing to protect vaccine administrators and manufacturers against the liability threat once experienced in this country. Practitioners everywhere can and should continue to promote immunization as this Nation's most successful public health measure with full confidence that liability protection is maximized by the success of the VICP.

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Yes because Gawd knows their 'fearless' leader

who will keep them safe, (unless they happen to get the flu due to the fact they couldn't get a vaccination because bush* completely dropped the ball) is never to blame for anything that happens as a result of his inaction. Yep that's the ticket.

[mzmolly]

29. Welp, if they only knew that the Government picks up the tab in most

vaccine injury cases, that there is a 250K cap (in cases of death) and an order to keep quiet about the incident ...

[jmowreader]

31. How inventive is FLU VACCINE?

It's heavily labor intensive, you can't use it two seasons in a row, and it doesn't sell well.

Yes, that's right: It doesn't sell well. If a bottle of flu vaccine goes off the drug company's loading dock for $40 and has ten doses in it, each injection brings the manufacturer $4. You will receive one injection per year if you get flu shots at all.

If I were to pull out my flu vaccine manufacturing area and replace it with an aspirin line, an ED drug line, a hypertension drug line and an antidepressant line, all of which would fit easily in a flu-vaccine line's area, you're talking drugs which people take frequently--hence more money for me.

They may have to nationalize the production of vaccine because no one in the private sector will take it on.