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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:17 AM
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Bookmark this: Zogby will have Kerry leading 47-44 on Monday
Date	bush	kerry	bush	kerry	bush	kerry
Oct	zogby	zogby	day	day	3dMA	3dMA
6	46	44	46	44	46.00	44.00
7	46	45	46	46	46.00	45.00
8	45	46	43	48	45.00	46.00
9	45	46	46	44	45.00	46.00
10	44	47	43	49	44.00	47.00
11	45.2	44.6	46.6	40.8	45.20	44.60
12	45.3	44.8	46.3	44.6	45.30	44.80
13	46	45	45.1	49.6	46.00	45.00
14	48	44	52.6	37.8	48.00	44.00
15	48	44	46.3	44.6	48.00	44.00
16	46	44	39.1	49.6	46.00	44.00
17	44.13	47.07	47	47	44.13	47.07
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:18 AM
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1. Any reason why?
Is this simply a trend?
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:18 AM
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2. Okay,
But if you're wrong we'll have to string you up.

I'm just saying...
:D
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:21 AM
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3. i've been zogbied 4 times
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BUSHOUT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:23 AM
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4. I don't understand. What is your source for this. Are you guessing?
?
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:30 AM
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6. No source. Just an educated guess. Having fun.
BTW, I'm being conservative here.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:12 AM
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10. Yes, it could be higher
If Kerry has another big day on Monday, it could easily be a 4 or 5 point lead.

Of course, once that Saturday landslide is dumped on Tuesday, the numbers could move toward even and DUers will freak out.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:29 AM
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5. Check out the middle numbers and you can see what TIA sees
The day-to-day numbers. Kerry had a huge Saturday, +10.5. Once those Bush edges from the 11th thru 14th, especially 14th, are eliminated, Kerry regains the lead.
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:42 AM
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7. done... looking at numbers myself
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 01:42 AM by Tesibria
tho -- that'd be a great big huge one day jump ... we'll see :)

i've been looking at the cross-tab figures, which ... are interesting, but I'm not finding many consistent trends. I did figure out something that was greatly bothering me. How can it be that such a large number "disapprove" of Bush's job performance, and yet his numbers stay as high as they are? Well -- I figured out that they're combining "excellent" and "good" as "APPROVE" -- and combining "fair" and "poor" as "DISAPPROVE" -- but many people who may think that he's only doing a "fair" job will still vote for him.

One mystery solved ... for better or worse ...
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:42 AM
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8. why the weird outlier in Saturday results?
Massive undecided? Or is Nader surging (ha ha)?
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Tesibria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:09 AM
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9. PS: Zogby predicted KERRY WIN on Friday
see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x912711


(I STILL don't get why so many people here attack him when the numbers are not great on a day -- he seems to be the best one out there -- and I've thot that for quite a while.)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:20 AM
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15. He predicted that on FRIDAY?
And we didn't here ONE damn word about that prediction over the weekend, did we? Of course not. The media has got to go after Kerry is elected! :grr:
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 03:17 AM
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11. Thank you Truth
I love what you do for this community, thank you so very much.
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 04:42 AM
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12. Ha! How will CNN and MSNBC rationalize two polls so far apart?
On the same day. If TIA is correct about Zogby, and it looks probable, there might be a 6 to 12 point disparity in the margins between Gallup and Zogby.

Should be Judy Woodruff at her finest.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 04:49 AM
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14. Woodruff will do a Scott Peterson story, or a Michael Jackson

story. And all the media will be missing the hell out of the Kobe Bryant case.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:22 AM
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16. There Have Been Fifteen Point Discrepancies...
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 06:22 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
When CNN had it it 52-39 Bush in late October of 00 Zogby had it 45-43 Gore...

Go figure...
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 04:48 AM
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13. Wait 'til senior citizens figure out that it's ultimately Bush* who is at

fault in the flu vaccine shortage.

Bush* not paying attentions to warnings AGAIN.

I predict many more than 3,000 will die as a result of the flu vaccine shortage.


Anyone know what day the Kerry campaign started airing the ads about this? If so, when do we expect the first big jump in the polls reflecting the ad's impact?
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 06:38 AM
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17. Your math must be off
it's 45 to 45.
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TruthIsAll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 08:30 AM
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18. The math is correct. Here are some other possibilities...
1. My forecast for Sunday polling (47-47) was off.

2. The Zogby results are rounded off to the nearest integer. This is a source of computational error.

For example, say the 3-day poll averages were Kerry 45.4 and Bush 45.6. Zogby would show it as 46-45 Bush. I need Zogby's numbers to the nearest .1 in order to more accurately derive the daily poll numbers.

3. Zogby may not be weighting his 3-day samples equally (arithmentic averaging). He may be assigning a higher weight to the most recent day's polling. For example, his formula may be

3-day Poll = (3*latest day polling +2*previous day + 1* earliest day)/6


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