Carville & Novak both bash Jon Stewart

[grasswire]

Carville: He's a pompous ass.

Novak: He's uninformed and not funny.

[wicket]

1. Novak is a Douchebag for Liberty!

[shaolinmonkey]

2. Right, as opposed to the hilarious Bob Novak.

To sort of quote Stewart: "what a dick".

[geek tragedy]

3. Gee, they're not defensive or anything.

Hack responses from hacks.

At least Carville makes no bones about the fact that he is a partisan hack. Bless him for that.

[tigereye]

4. Carville calling Jon Stewart pompous

that's pretty funny. I like Carville a lot, but Stewart is right! I think Stewart comes across as extremely sincere. Novak has no idea what he is talking about.

[RafterMan]

18. Carville calling someone pompous *is* funny

...but not as funny as Novak calling someone "humorless and uninformed".

Jesus, were these guys looking into a mirror or what?

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Projecting

:shrug:

[vi5]

5. F them both....

I like Carville as a political consultant, but even the liberal "news" people can't even seem to see how ripe they are for mockery and how dead on the Daily show is in its skewering of them.

[grasswire]

6. they read two letters...

..from viewers. One very long defending Crossfire. Another very short and dull defending Stewart.

They gave the segment about ninety seconds total.

[movonne]

7. What is Carville's game...I have never quite trusted him since his

wife became Cheney's lacky.

[Zhade]

26. Ask the rightwing Venezuelan "opposition"...

They've had dealings, maybe they can tell us.

[Upfront]

60. His Game Is

make money for Carville.

[ogradda]

8. ogradda bashes carville and novak

carville: he's a media dumbass novak: NEVER funny media whore.

[grasswire]

9. Carville said he's proud to be a hack.

I can understand that -- he's a political consultant first and foremost.

[XanaDUer]

10. Novicula is back from the dead , I see.

The other liberal (name?) slapped him good though, with the 'flu crack.

[medeak]

11. Carville upset that Stewart went after Ted Kopple?

must have missed something...

[grasswire]

16. Stewart did give Koppel a burn

....over essentially the same issue: reporting the truth as opposed to theatre. Stewart is righteous and consistent with this message.

So Carlson and Begala got the same kind of burn as Koppel. Keep it up, Jon!

[Cocoa]

12. Carville and Mary Matalin are swingers

they have orgies with Bob Novak and Antonin Scalia.

[Maya29]

27. Perish the thought...

That is just wrong on every level. Thanks for the mental image..I am now blind! I think Novak is a closet case & is unable to deal with his true sexuality.


I hate that man, beyond all sense of reason, he is guilty of treason & should be in jail.

Now that he is in a wheelchair, it would be easier to push him down a flight of stairs, though!

[Sugarbleus]

54. LMAO!!--->"Thanks for the mental image..I am now blind!"

hahahaahah....

[newyawker99]

56. Hi Maya29!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[crispini]

33. Ooooooooooooo

If I gouge my eyes out will the image go away? Puhleeze?

:puke:

[irancontra]

13. screw the douchevak.. but stewart took it to begala as well & he was right

as much as I love carville & begala, they tend to let their washington counterparts get away with a lot of shit because on the inside they are buddies... either way douchevak calling jon stewart uninformed is like george bush giving me a lecture on integrity.

[ArtVandaley]

53. I agree

I think they're much more comitted to the Democratic Party Establishment than they are to progressive politics, and I think that's dangerous. Once you let someone, ANYONE, tell you how to think, you're in trouble. Even "liberal" pundits tend to bug me at times because they spin too much and I don't like being told what to think. Carville is a great consultant, as is Begala, but they needed to be slapped around a little bit.

[Career Prole]

14. Carville, ol' buddy...I love ya man, but the criticism is warranted.

If you were doing your job properly Jon Stewart wouldn't have had to bring it up last week because you would have a year ago.

As for Novak, I have only a hymn...
Hymn...
Hymn...
Fuck hymn...

[stlchic]

15. They're just trying to make a "Headlines" segment

on TDS because they know more people pay attention to Stewart.

And graciously (or hopefully), he will oblige, and deliver another well deserved bitch slap.

Jon Stewart rules!

:headbang:

[gumby]

17. Look at how they protect their own.

Shows that the corporate-class is a hydra-head.

Jon Stewart is indeed brave to take on this monster.

Like Am-Pol sez: Flush twice -- it's a long way to Sally Quinn's place.

[trumad]

20. Stew calling NoFacts the Douchebag for Liberty

is still the funniest thing I've ever heard.

[gumby]

21. Lexicon !!!!

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

19. At least Jon hasn't committed treason

:evilgrin:

[undercover_brother]

30. bingo

[MatrixEscape]

22. More sparks!

Good! Sure go on! Insult and bash someone who has just stood up and become a heroic icon to thousands.

Yeah, why not diss a media soldier who bravely enters the camp of the Spinnerites and lobs a respectful verbal weapon of media's mass destruction on them!

That's a great way to alienate people and fan the fire. I hope they do it some more. They are hurting themselves now as bad as they are "hurting us"!

[trumad]

24. Like I said up above.

Carville has become Benjaminized....

[spanone]

23. Hey after all, they are both business men & entertainers

Stewart was threatening their jobs.

[xray s]

25. Looks like Jon hit too close to home

Screw Carville and Begala and Novak and Tucker.

They are buffoons. Clowns and sideshow freaks. Hypnotic flashing lights to dazzle and confuse. Politics based on the Pro Wrestling model that people will believe anything if you appeal to their lizard brain.

Part of the problem, not the solution.

Can you imagine the guffaws at the Carville house every night, after Jim and Mary trade notes on how their day went and check their bank account balance?

[AlCzervik]

28. exactly, they were called out publicly

Too fucking bad for them. I cannot wait to watch The Daily Show tonight.

[spooky3]

47. If Carville felt as passionately as Jon does, he could never be married

to that RW monster. I also find him amusing but incoherent and unpersuasive most of the time.

These 4 value style over substance. But what is REALLY threatening to them: Jon has them beaten on both substance AND style. And on courage--no contest.

I didn't think Begala handled the onslaught too badly, actually. My guess is that he went home and felt a bit bad and thought about it a bit more. Self-defense mechanisms probably kicked in, though, and kept him from really processing it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. I could care less what's said to, or about, that treasonous...

...scumbag Novak. Novak should be doing hard time instead of flapping his gums on television.

And if Carville would pull his head out of his pompous ass once in a while he might actually see what's really going on.

[tjdee]

31. JAIL? Hello??

Shouldn't Novak be in jail for outing a CIA agent?

Instead he's bitching about a comedian? What?

They're both missing Stewart's point COMPLETELY.

[0rganism]

32. One of Stewart's 'goals' has been a 'blood feud' with another TV show

Now he's got one going, and it's a doozy! Much more convincing than his potshots at Larry King and Barbara Walters, this one has some real possibilities for growth and development. Stewart's already successfully painted Novak as the "Douchebag of Liberty", now he's getting to the point of roasting the whole scurvy lot of them.

I don't doubt for a moment that Jon was sincere in his critique, not to mention dead-on accurate. But he's also managed to get his media war going. Now it's "The Daily Show" vs. "Crossfire".

My money's on TDS.

[GreenPartyVoter]

43. This oughta get them same ratings *g*

[Robeson]

35. Stewart dared to attack the Corporate News Network, aka CNN,...

....so the network it going to attack back, instead of doing anytype of self-analysis, to see if Stewart, just may be, right. The media in this country has always been pompous, and will never admit when they, themselves, are at fault.

[grace0418]

36. Riiiiiiiiiiight

Pompous ass? Why, because he actually had the balls to say what needed to be said about the media?

Not funny? Wow, then I must stop hysterically laughing every time I watch the Daily Show. I must have had that all wrong. Silly me.

Uninformed? Give me a break. I would say that comment is laughable, but I better check with Novak first since he is the authority on what is funny.

[laruemtt]

37. earth to crossfire:

you want it to come down to a choice for viewers between your show and tds, you might want to bow out now and save yourself anymore humiliation.

[geniph]

38. Ooooh, poor babies, did Jon touch a nerve there?

buncha spineless, integrity-free whores! And that comparison is an insult to honest sex workers everywhere. Stewart told the truth, and did it ever HURT!

hahahaha, Jon, more power to ya!

[Democat]

39. The media is not on our side, even many of the ones who pretend to be

There are a few good people left in the media, but not many and they will be replaced with corporate puppets eventually.

[Amaya]

40. Who cares

what the bozos say... they aren't real journalist. It's theater.

[CAcyclist]

41. Projecting, aren't they?

Umm, funny, I would describe Carville as a pompous ass.I know he's "on our side" but I don't trust him.

As for Novak, I don't even remember what he looks like, he's so unmemorable. I know his writing is boring.

[mzmolly]

42. Allow me to be "unpopular" here. I enjoy the theatrics of Crossfire and

never expected them to "educate" me with the format they have in place ... That said, I think the greater point about the media hurting America, was correct, but IMHO John Stewart vented in the wrong place, at the wrong time, at the wrong people. :P

That's my .02 anyhow :shrug:

Still a fan of John Stewart, and I'm still a fan of Crossfire, I don't have to choose. (poltical mud wrestling and all) :hi:

[TheDonkey]

46. Completely agree!!!

I think it's ok to have some theatre in our news, as long as it's balanced and contructive, which Crossfire I believe is (Hannity and colmes is not).

We also need a balance of theatre and real news which currently doesn't exist.

But crossfire is clearly the most balanced and energized theatre show.

[Goldmund]

62. I totally disagree

It's easy to bash Britt Hume or Sean Hannity or Larry King or Barbara Walters. Crossfire serves to the illusion that it is a debate show -- an honest confrontation with sincere arguments. "Crossfire" is portrayed as an alternative to one-sided media, an open-minded oasis -- Stewart's point was that it isn't "one-sidedness" or "cheerleading" that is the biggest problem with the media, but the lack of sincerity, not only in arguments but simulated and faked emotional responses to different stories, which give them exposure (ie, the third debate -- "Marygate" trumping "I never said I wasn't concerned about Osama" -- they discuss stories like the Mary Cheney one on crossfire, and recite talking points back and forth, which only deepens the problem). The "cheerleading" only can happen in an insencere theatrical environment. I think that "Crossfire" was the perfect platform for John Stewart to make his case.

[mzmolly]

65. I was under no illusions about Crossfire. I don't expect a full fledged

debate about an issue in 2 minutes. They discuss about 10 issues per show.

As I said, "allow me to be unpopular" but I watch Crossfire for the "theatrics" not for indepth information and political analysis. I do expect more from our local news. I do expect more from our media in general. :hi:

[AmerDem]

44. Carville, I often listen to what you say but this time....

shut the fuck up. You are a political hack and your show does absolutely nothing in furthering decent and informative debating of the issues. I very rarely if at all watch Crossfire anymore but I was fortunate enough to watch Stewart justly tell your on air buddies and that corrupt network you work for exactly how things are.

Wake up call James, we the people are fed up this type of over the top biased bullshit that is forced upon us. Change your ways or risk being run over by the countless people in this country that are going to take things back.

[Hatalles]

57. Methinks we need to send Carville/Begala e-mails....

And lots of them!

[JUS]

45. hmmm...let's see...who has the more influential and popular show?

Stewart by a long shot!

They just can't take it that a comedian dared call them out. Their show does suck - big fuckin' time!

[symbolman]

48. Novak ASSAULTS People

What kind of credibility does he have after that..

We filed an assault charge against him (lots of witnesses) in New Hampshire after he shoved a guy on ICE (I caught the guy) and then ran into the CNN bus to hide.. we've got some pretty funny footage of that..

any lawyers out there that want to get Novak on the witness stand re: the assault charge under oath and then start asking him some OTHER questions - like WHO gave you the info re CIA outage..

I'm dead serious here -- that's how they did President Clinton and maybe we could use it on Novak..

Lawyers please step up.. make some REAL NEWS here.

[tjdee]

49. He's uninformed because he watches your punk ass network every day!

He's uninformed.

That's rich.

Tell that to the Peabody and Emmy voters.

[Ksec]

50. They got embarrassed..The truth hurts.

What else are they gonna do but belittle him.

[robbedvoter]

51. Carville was justifying torture once - I stopped listening then@there

It was before Abu Grahib - the Patriot hysteria.
Each of them projected his own problems on Stewart.

[spooky3]

52. He brought his concerns to their faces. Nice of them to knife him

in the back, in public.

[kodi]

58. indeed, stewert made his statment to their faces, the cowards

he unvailed the joke of the alleged conscientious media doing its job for american democracy.

those assclowns are upset because stewert pointed out that they were simply characters in kabuki theater.

[Robbie67]

55. This is like Republican reaction to Fahrenheit 9/11

The harder they hit back, the more pronounced the blow that Stewart levelled at them.

[LuminousX]

59. Jon is the only one speaking the truth

The rest are covering their asses so they can pretend their 'theater' is reality.

[humanbeing]

61. Where did Stewart say he wanted a feud?

Have a source? I love Stewart, but I can only get TDS eps from the internet, so I may have missed something? Did he say this somewhere, that he wanted a feud?

[swag]

63. They know what side their bread is buttered on.

[Lorien]

64. Hmmm..who has the bestselling book? Who has all the Emmys?

who recently got a top award for journalism-oh yeah! The Daily Show with Jon Stewart!

That green eyed monster is a bitch!

[endnote]

66. Good. Publicity for Stewart's book!

[Roland99]

67. Looks like Stewart was belting out the truth! Hit them where it hurt...

their ratings.