I think Kerry's going to win: so... Nader MUST Drop out.

[Warren DeMontague]

Otherwise, he's useless- oh, maybe he can get a gig on "Hollywood Squares" or some reality tv show where he's stuck on an Island with Johnny Rotten and Ringo Starr..

Think about it. If Ralph Nader drops out between now and the election, saying something to the effect of: "No one will be served by four more years of this administration. It would be a disaster for the country, the planet, progressives, environmentalists, and human beings in general. Therefore, even though I don't agree with John Kerry on many things, I believe it will be easier to fight for the issues and beliefs I hold so important with Kerry in the White House. So I am asking the people planning to vote for me to vote for Kerry, instead"... (Yes, I KNOW this would never happen.. just bear with me) ...If he did this, he would be a hero- credited with a hail mary pass at the last second into the end zone. Like Han Solo at the end of "Star Wars", flying out of the sun to save the day. I say this even though I think Kerry's going to win handily, despite Nader being a self-centered prick. But if Nader did that now, he could take some credit for the victory. People on the left, such as myself, who have written him off as an asshole and an egomaniac might even forgive him. His legacy and the work of a lifetime would be relatively intact. And he would still maintain a shred, or an illusion, of influence over the political process-- that he could bank on as he continued to fight for the things he claims to believe in.

However- if Kerry wins despite Nader, that's it-- Nader's influence is GONE. His legacy is gone. He's Ross Perot, but without the weird anecdotes. He's useless, and he has absolutely no political weight to throw around. He's proven that he doesn't make a damn bit of difference.

Think about it, Ralph.

[Worst Username Ever]

1. check this out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1105827

[Warren DeMontague]

2. Yeah, I aint buyin'.

I know conservatives are Bankrolling Nader's campaign. He's got a GOP Crony running his operation in PA, ferchrissakes--- but this idea that Bush voters are going to Nader in droves.. I highly doubt it. Unless they've got him confused with Michael Badarnik or whatever his name is.

[NNadir]

3. I ALWAYS thought Ralph was a dickhead fraud, and WILL always

think so.

I don't care what the Repuke creep does. No one who is voting for him can be misconstrued as a liberal or as a person who gives a shit.

100% of Ralph Nader voters in 2004 are hopeless losers. So why cry over them? They would not help a child floating in burning gasoline (and it happens that there are children floating in burning gasoline in Iraq). Fuck 'em.

I have always held Ralph Nader in contempt; I hold him in contempt now; and I will forever hate his corporate fraudulent ass for what he has done already. He is worse than useless. He is strictly evil.

[timefordrinking.com]

11. Nader hater.

I couldn't agree more. I wish I could fit your post on a t-shirt. I think this pretty much sums it up, though:



You can buy it http://www.cafepress.com/timefordrinking">here.

If anyone actually buys one, I'll donate part of the proceeds to DU. (The rest will go to my "Emergency Drinking Fund" in case * steals another election.)

Think happy thoughts. Think happy thoughts.

[comradebillyboy]

4. i think Nader wants bush to win

he fantasizes that if things get bad enough, a desperate nation will turn to saint Ralph for salvation and redemption

[kostya]

5. Nader is a pig-headed fool,

no way he will drop out. He has marginalized himself practically out of existence. No vote for Nader is going to take anything away from Kerry this year. Those who thought making a "protest" vote in 2000 was showing some kind of moral courage or something are kicking themselves in the ass now. The rest are just die-hard sociopaths.

[Robeson]

8. Absolutely, he has marginalized himself out of....

....existence, and to the extreme end of some political spectrum that I'm not quite sure what it is. Most leftist I no - including myself - are much too rationalist than to vote for him.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Right. My wife calls it the "scorched Earth" approach to politics.

And the other argument being that there is "no difference" between the Democrats and Republicans, so you need to vote for someone outside the system with 'unimpeachable cred' (kaff!) like Ralph. Well, first off, I had the same argument with lots of my friends in 2000, many of whom voted for Nader then. (As far as I know, none of them are going to do that again this time) Uh, yeah, guys- As much as I hate to say I told you so.... I think the last four years have proven just what a drastic difference having a GOP president and Congress can make in terms of irredeemably fucking things up-- and my point with regards to this year is, if there really is 'no difference', then why are the GOP and big corporate interests funding Nader's campaign, with the hopes that it'll help Bush win? Why are THEY afraid of Kerry winning? If it really 'didn't make a difference' between Bush and Kerry, they wouldn't care so much, would they?

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Kerry should make Nader Sec'y of Commerce or head of the SEC

[Robeson]

7. How about really scaring the ....

....the s@!T ouf of Republicans by putting him in charge of EPA!

[GreenPartyVoter]

10. Welcome to DU

[Robeson]

18. Thanks, but after 119 posts....

...gosh, when will you guys ever except me as part of the DU? Is there another test I need to pass before I'm not considered a newbie? ;-)

[Warren DeMontague]

12. I think he's proven that he doesn't give a damn about anyone 'cept himself

But I continue to hold out the hope that maybe he'll come to his senses at the last minute.

[Bleacher Creature]

9. Three points:

1) You are dead right.

2) He's a delusional egomaniac -- he's not going anywhere.

3) His effect will be minimal -- if at all.

[zulchzulu]

13. Don't count on St. Ralph to drop out

He just can't do it. His ego is too big. It's also WAY TOO LATE to appease him and offer him a cabinet position.

Ralph, you blew it.

[Warren DeMontague]

16. No, I know it won't happen.

But it's the only way he could salvage any shred of legitimacy with regards to the things he claims to stand for.

[zulchzulu]

17. And the answer is....

Nader will go down in history as a charletan, pure and simple.

Whatever he stood for in his early part of his career, all that will be remembered is how he squandered his legacy for selfish, egotistical, hypocritical indulgence at the hand of fools too stupid to see the Big Picture.

[SammyWinstonJack]

14. Nada, r the republican money grubbing ego manic

Why is he even given any notoriety? He lost any creditability with me when he said in 2000 that there was no difference between Gore and Bush! Clearly he was wrong then and is now!