Excommunication Tactic Used Against John Kerry

[Cory]

Here's more info on Kerry's "excommunication"

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000665.html

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Father Cole was contacted on Monday evening and in a courteous and extremely affable tone explained that he does not speak for the Vatican. The response that he had provided to Mr. Balestrieri was simply his personal opinion. In providing further detail, Fr. Cole explained that the Vatican delegates inquiries such as the one presented by Balestrieri to priests around the world. Father Cole had been tasked with this particular letter and provided a response that was clearly in his own opinion.

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Additionally, Fr. Cole's response was dated September 11th 2004. It is unclear as to why DeFide held this letter until October 18th, merely two weeks before the presidential election. Detractors may say that this is a planned "hit" on John Kerry while others may argue that it is coincidence.


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Thoughts?

[BootinUp]

1. how does BULLSHIT sound to ya?

not too harsh I hope.

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[Cory]

3. Not much of a thought to me

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[FARAFIELD]

9. JUST MORE ANTI CATHOLIC CRAP

I swear the next person that spouts that stuff is going to get one right in the crotch, from this catholic

[JohnnyCougar]

14. excuse me?

What did I say against Catholics? I am one too, you know.

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[Roland99]

4. Balestrieri is a fucking nutcase...he tried to sue Kerry for heresy once

wow....

[Cory]

6. DeFide

Does anyone know when this group started? Is it another Swift Boat popup org?

[Roland99]

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[Roland99]

19. Their contact info

Have at 'em folks!


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[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Kerry is pro choice, he is against self use of coat hangers for abortions

Apparently bush is in favor of coat hangers.

Thoughts???

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. Man, these guys just aren't trying very hard any more are they?

I mean, not to "point the finger" at anyone or anything!:eyes:

[WildEyedLiberal]

10. IF this shit actually is true...

... and they dare to excommunicate him, I will sever my ties with the Catholic Church. I joined a couple of years ago for many reasons, and I would hate to be forced to leave the church I chose. But they will leave me no choice, if this is in fact true.

[Roland99]

11. Everyone post the OP into Drudge's submission form

Get that fucker Drudge to get this smear crap off his website.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

13. I wondered where these knuckleheads were getting this crap.

[Name removed]

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[eriffle]

12. I wonder

Would these freepers be threatening the same thing if President Kerry went against the Pope and went to war against a soverign country unprovoked? I know a President Kerry wouldn't do this, but if he did, would he be threatened with excommunication?

[AntiCoup2K4]

21. Or maybe your question should be reframed like this...

Would Pope JP have excommunicated Junior for the invasion of Iraq, if he had been Catholic?

I'm not an expert on the Catholic church, but given earlier statements from the Pope which not only condemned Junior strongly for Iraq, but came close to calling him the Antichrist, I believe he would have been. I can't recall if the Methodist church leaders made any official condemnation of the Idiot, but I remember my Methodist grandmother didn't have any use for him.

[Catt03]

16. It's here in NYT

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=915049#

[mikehiggins]

17. Does this MORON really think the Church is going to interfere

with an American election? Does he really think that people who have been at this religion business for over two millenia are going to be shanghied by some two bit "canon" lawyer?

Cardinal Ratzinger, head of the Holy Office (read Inquisition) already disposed of this story in a statement to the effect that voting for a man who supported abortions was wrong UNLESS you were voting for him DESPITE his position on abortions in preference to such things as, oh, lets say, opposing the bombing Iraqi children into teensy tiny little bits.

At any rate, even if this fool were to get a Vatican official to pay him a moment's attention it would take YEARS for excommunication to take place. It's no longer just a question of someone waving a magic wand and casting someone out of the Church. It has to be approved, in the final analysis, by the Church in Rome and, as I stated at the beginning, does anyone really think they are going to interfere with an American election?

_ucker Carlson will have a girlfriend before something like that happens.

[Princess Turandot]

20. Someone else here had posted that his bishop, who is part of this..

relatively small group of bishops who keep getting coverage in the press, was required to send out a letter to all members of his diocese telling them that the Vatican's position was what you described. (All bishops were ordered to do this.) His bishop wrote that he himself could not vote for Kerry because of abortion, but that if a Catholic voted for candidate because s/he felt on balance, his views on several issues such as world peace, just war and social equality were more important to s/he than the abortion issue, that voting for such candidate would not jeopardize the person's standing in the church. (In reality, a Catholic voting for * primarily because of his views on abortion would never vote for Kerry anyway, because the anti-abortion people are primarily the one-issue voters.) Ratzinger sent out that letter after those bishops started squawking, and perhaps more tellingly, after * had the balls to ask Ratzinger to tell US Catholics to vote for him, specifically because of the abortion question. It got very little press coverage here, although the press continues to rehash ad nauseum these particular bishops' opinions, which is no big surprise.

The Pope and his inner circle may be very conservative, but they've got *'s number. I think that their clear clarification of what US Catholics might consider when they vote as it impacted their religion, was about as close as they could come to making an 'endorsement' and it wasn't of *. I suspect that the Pope would stretch * on an old-fashioned rack if that was still in style in the Church.

[Barney Rocks]

22. If this is true,

we need to expose the church for being WRONG. It is time for "activist churches" to LOSE their tax exempt status. We need to play hard ball. And if this is true--then their is no time like right now to begin.

[Lexingtonian]

23. Why care

We have the Robin Lowman Garner story as counter. Affadavits and all. She's never denied any of it, even if she refuses to confirm it for the record.

[cyr330]

24. and the death penalty?

I have heard NOT one threat to excommunicate any Catholic asshole who is pro-death penalty. In the eyes of "his holiness", that aged reptile, John Paul II, the death penalty is just as sinful as having an abortion. It seems that these loons are picking and choosing what they THINK will give them traction in an election year. Fuck them.