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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:58 AM
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Rove will never concede
See this article. I had thought that the 2000 debacle was something unique. But it was Rove standard operating procedure.

They will not concede this election, period. They will claim victory. Will there be anything for us to do except concede? What will we do in the face of a political adversary that won't abide to a peaceful change of regime.

Remember, the corporate press is completely on their side. They will say "Kerry will do anything to win". And on and on, just as they did in 2000. The votes won't matter, the electoral college won't matter. They will dig their heels in.

I was feeling pretty good about our chances until I read this article, and realized this is exactly what we face, and exactly what we will face, in every election from now until the grip of the corporate media is broken. The GOP no longer has any shame. They don't even seem to care about being caught. No one is reprimanded. Dirty tricksters are just hired on to the Bush campaign, and the whorporate media snores.

A clip from the article:

"In the race for chief justice, which had been neck and neck the evening before, Hooper awoke to discover himself trailing by 698 votes. Throughout the day ballots trickled in from remote corners of the state, until at last an unofficial tally showed that Rove's client had lost—by 304 votes. Hornsby's campaign declared victory.

Rove had other plans, and immediately moved for a recount. "Karl called the next morning," says a former Rove staffer. "He said, 'We came real close. You guys did a great job. But now we really need to rally around Perry Hooper. We've got a real good shot at this, but we need to win over the people of Alabama.'" Rove explained how this was to be done. "Our role was to try to keep people motivated about Perry Hooper's election," the staffer continued, "and then to undermine the other side's support by casting them as liars, cheaters, stealers, immoral—all of that." (Rove did not respond to requests for an interview for this article.)

The campaign quickly obtained a restraining order to preserve the ballots. Then the tactical battle began. Rather than focus on a handful of Republican counties that might yield extra votes, Rove dispatched campaign staffers and hired investigators to every county to observe the counting and turn up evidence of fraud. In one county a probate judge was discovered to have erroneously excluded 100 votes for Hooper. Voting machines in two others had failed to count all the returns. Mindful of public opinion, according to staffers, the campaign spread tales of poll watchers threatened with arrest; probate judges locking themselves in their offices and refusing to admit campaign workers; votes being cast in absentia for comatose nursing-home patients; and Democrats caught in a cemetery writing down the names of the dead in order to put them on absentee ballots.

As the recount progressed, the margin continued to narrow. Three days after the election Hooper held a press conference to drive home the idea that the election was being stolen. He declared, "We have endured lies in this campaign, but I'll be damned if I will accept outright thievery." The recount stretched on, and Hooper's campaign continued to chip away at Hornsby's lead. By November 21 one tally had it at nine votes.

The race came down to a dispute over absentee ballots. Hornsby's campaign fought to include approximately 2,000 late-arriving ballots that had been excluded because they weren't notarized or witnessed, as required by law. Also mindful of public relations, the Hornsby campaign brought forward a man who claimed that the absentee ballot of his son, overseas in the military, was in danger of being disallowed. The matter wound up in court. "The last marching order we had from Karl," says a former employee, "was 'Make sure you continue to talk this up. The only way we're going to be successful is if the Alabama public continues to care about it.'"

Initially, things looked grim for Hooper. A circuit-court judge ruled that the absentee ballots should be counted, reasoning that voters' intent was the issue, and that by merely signing them, those who had cast them had "substantially complied" with the law. Hooper's lawyers appealed to a federal court. By Thanksgiving his campaign believed he was ahead—but also believed that the disputed absentee ballots, from heavily Democratic counties, would cost him the election. The campaign went so far as to sue every probate judge, circuit clerk, and sheriff in the state, alleging discrimination. Hooper continued to hold rallies throughout it all. On his behalf the business community bought ads in newspapers across the state that said, "They steal elections they don't like." Public opinion began tilting toward him.

The recount stretched into the following year. On Inauguration Day both candidates appeared for the ceremonies. By March the all-Democratic Alabama Supreme Court had ordered that the absentee ballots be counted. By April the matter was before the Eleventh Federal Circuit Court. The byzantine legal maneuvering continued for months. In mid-October a federal appeals-court judge finally ruled that the ballots could not be counted, and ordered the secretary of state to certify Hooper as the winner—only to have Hornsby's legal team appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which temporarily stayed the case. By now the recount had dragged on for almost a year.

When I went to visit Hooper, not long ago, we sat in the parlor of his Montgomery home as he described the denouement of Karl Rove's closest race. "On the afternoon of October the nineteenth," Hooper recalled, "I was in the back yard planting five hundred pink sweet Williams in my wife's garden, and she hollered out the back door, 'Your secretary just called—the Supreme Court just made a ruling that you're the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court!'" In the final tally he had prevailed by just 262 votes. Hooper smiled broadly and handed me a large photo of his swearing-in ceremony the next day. "That Karl Rove was a very impressive fellow," he said."

(mods - I realize this is a much longer excerpt than the normal four paragraphs, but it is a very tiny part of the long article, and these paragraphs describe the arc of the point I was trying to illustrate. Please let me know if I need to trim it further, but thanks in advance for taking into account that it is a single, encapsulated story.)
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:00 AM
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1. If this year is a replay of 2000
I will not allow my party to concede. No matter what.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:01 AM
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3. geez-what's he going to do
most states have recount procedures if the margin is less than .05%...
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:01 AM
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2. Yeah, just give up. It's worthless.
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 09:01 AM by ClassWarrior
Why don't you keep your own lack of confidence to yourself??! And don't tell me to read the article. I did last night. In fact, I think we ALL should read this article, to know what to expect. But leave the defeatism at Freak Republic where it belongs.

24.


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:02 AM
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4. people give that fat, effete, unmanly tub of goo way too much credit...
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:11 AM
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7. not defeatism exactly
But rather a sober look at what we are really facing. I kept thinking it would be enough to win the election. But what is the plan for when they do not concede defeat?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:18 AM
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8. We Just Inaugurate JFK On 1/20/05
nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:22 AM
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13. I appreciate this
I didn't know. America doesn't know. This is chilling, not negative.

And I'm the bitchiest, get that negative shit out of here, person on this board. Ask anybody.

This isn't going to be over on Nov 2, not by a long shot. We have a real war on our hands, not only with the Presidency, but every Senate seat and Congressional seat and even local seats, in the country.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:03 AM
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5. How can we nullify Rove? Does anyone have any dirt on him because his
credibility needs to be skewered.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:06 AM
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6. Take A Look At Him...
He probably has to pay to get laid...


I'll bet there's a Dick Morris like scandal on him waiting to happen...
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:21 AM
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12. Possibly, but, the mindset of RW groupies is weird. They get all hot
n bothered over power. Look at all the gals who were nuts over Reagan and Rummy. :eyes:
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durablend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:26 AM
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14. Does this man look well?


You tell me?
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:41 AM
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16. PLAME -- Need I say more?
Lets hope his past deeds come to haunt him in the form of an indictment.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:18 AM
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9. NEVER GIVE UP
Our side is planning the same thing. That's why the Democrats have hired legions of lawyers to do battle with the legions of lawyers on the Republican side. It will get ugly, and we have to be ready to fight and win a thousand battles to win this election.

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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:20 AM
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10. We need to make sure the counting and recounting
process is bullet proof. Then we need a law to make illegal any attempt to mess with this process, such as sending goons in on corporate jets to disrupt.
We had four years to fix a system we knew was faulted and failed. Now we need to motivate and get it done in less than 3 years so we have a year to make sure the new process works.
Think the work is over when Kerry gets in?--think again!
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Ladybast Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:20 AM
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11.  Didn't your Mama tell you
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 09:21 AM by Ladybast
That if you say or even THINK the word "concede" that your willie will fall off??????????

Can't remember which analyst said it recently, but he said conceding was Al Gore's BIG mistake in the last election. Lawyers should have swarmed all over the BS Supreme Court decision. Democratic Congressfolk should have boycotted the two houses and held government up if necessary. Rove IS THE ENEMY--he is Goebbels to Bush's Hitler. We MUST live these next few weeks (or months) by the words of Hitler's greatest foe:

"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in Iraq, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Nation, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; and WE SHALL NEVER SURRENDER!"

-----------------------
Sir Winston Churchill
June 4, 1940

(With apologies to Sir Winston for a few slight changes)

We must live by these words as if our lives depended on it, as the life of our nation indeed does. DO NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING BUT THE INAUGURATION OF JOHN KERRY AS PRESIDENT!!!!

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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:38 AM
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15. Correct
Anything besides a Kerry victory is unacceptable. Because we know better than anyone that if Bush is declared the winner, it means he stole it. We should be prepared to overturn that result using every means possible. And we should let the GOP know in advance that they are in a war to the knife if they want to play that game.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:59 AM
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17. Absolutely! I can't see * pulling anyone who voted for Gore in
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 10:00 AM by NCevilDUer
2000 (except Zell), and we all have personal knowledge of people who voted * last time who will vote Kerry this time.

There's no way * can win without cheating.

We have to be prepared to expose the cheats, lies and frauds wherever and whenever they appear.

Welcome to DU, Ladybast!
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18. ProfessorPlum
Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source.


Thank you.


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